Chickapee, Im really glad you do come in here when you can....I do appreciate it! Been thinking
.rather wrestling with myself
.about pausing here for a while. I keep thinking about that law of diminishing returns. I am so glad that you do read and post in here
.it does inspire me.
Been thinking about what you said 2 posts ago
.of course, I went off on a tangent
.but now coming back to it. It dawned on me this morning after thinking about what you had said about the binding on earth and loosening on the earth.
Hi Bro Wheeler ......
I thought of Matt 18 when reading your last post , on how the religious oragnizatons cause the little ones to stumble
and cause offenses
we can have fellowship where two or three are gathered in His name
the binding on earth and loosing on earth or heaven is not holding sin against any man but forgiving one another,,,,,,
that it what I got from reading matt 18
Matthew 18
As usual, I am probably going to be clear as mud on this
but here goes.
It seems that the little ones are those who will judge the world
.those who can humble themselves as a little child in order to enter into the kingdom of heaven. To be a "little one" speaks of the humbleness...the meekness of accepting the in grafting of the revealed Word...not necessarily of the maturity. Those born of the Spirit and the Truth are the little ones who are the messengers of Christ
.they are His angels who are sent out to preach to the churches the eternal gospel of salvation from mans religious organizations
.or rather their prisons.
The loosening on earth and the loosening in heaven would indeed be the forgiving of sins against those who will listen to the message of the little ones. Those that will respond favorably to the telling of their fault will gain a brother in Christ. Those that will hear what their sins are (because many are in ignorance of the Truth) and will believe in the preaching of the revealed Truth and do the Truth are to be gained as brothers in this last day.
(Mat 18:15 KJV) Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
But as foretold, there will be those in the church who will not listen to the sound doctrine that will be preached in this last day by the "little ones." Then, this is where we are to judge those who will not listen
.but only in the mouth of 2 or three witnesses.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as a heathen man and a publican.
What is being loosed on earth and in heaven? Their
sins
.as you had pointed out
thank you for that! Those who would hear, believe and obey the preaching of His messengers that are sent out in this last day, will have their sins loosed. But those who will not hear, their sins shall be bound in heaven.
18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
Christ Jesus is with those who are gathered together in His name. The revealed Truth gathers us together in Him.
20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
Again the loosening and binding of sins is also shown here in John 20. As His disciples, we are
sent out by Him to preach the gospel of salvation to those who are imprisoned in their churches.
(John 20:21 KJV) Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
We receive the Spirit of Truth
.we preach what we hear the Spirit saying in this last day.
22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
Whoever will hear and obey the preaching of the revealed Truth, their sins are remitted unto them
..the loosening on earth and heaven. Those who will not listen to the preaching of the revealed Truth in this last day, their sin are to be retained
.the binding on earth and in heaven.
23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
In the coming appointed time, we are to judge the world
.the religious elite and their organizations by the revealed Truth.
(1 Cor 6:2 KJV) Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
We shall judge the angels
..messengers
pastors, priests, reverends, preacher PHDs
.the religious elite who rule over the poor in Spirit.
3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
Again, He sends His messengers of the Truth to preach the revealed Word of God.
(Mat 13:47 KJV) Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:
48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.
The messengers or angels shall come forth
.His disciples, His little ones shall come forth to preach the revealed Word. Those that will listen and obey their preaching shall be the just
.and those of the church who will turn their ears from the Truth are the wicked.
49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Again, those who can forsake all of their religious wisdom and works to follow Him can be His disciple
.His little one. They can be His angel
His messenger of the Truth.
(Luke 14:33 KJV) So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.
34 Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be seasoned?
Those who cannot forsake their own religious ways and thoughts are to be cast out
.by MEN. The binding of their sins on earth and heaven by those who are gathered together in the revealed Truth casts them into the wrath of God
.the fire.
35 It is neither fit for the land, nor yet for the dunghill; but men cast it out. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Every tree who brings forth bad fruit
.speaking evil
despising the little ones who are sent to preach the Truth
despising the revealed Truth
.is to be hewn down and cast into the fire. Their sins will be upon their own heads
.the binding on the earth and heaven.
(Mat 7:19 KJV) Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
We shall know the bad tree by how he responds to the preaching of the revealed Truth. An evil man will show what is in his heart by how he will disesteem and rail on those who are preaching the Truth. The man of sin is revealed by the preaching of the Truth by the little ones
.those angels who behold His face in heaven.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Again, MEN SHALL GATHER THEM and CAST THEM INTO THE FIRE
.Gods wrath
and they are burned.
(John 15:5 KJV) I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
We shall judge the religious world
.where two or three are gathered together in the Truth
Christ Jesus
..there HE IS. They, those who will turn their hears from hearing the Truth, shall be tormented by their own sins
their own wickedness shall burn as the fire
.in the presence of the holy angels
His messengers
.and the presence of the Lamb. Those who will not receive the love of the Truth and be saved are to have their sins retained in earth and in heaven.
(Rev 14:10 KJV) The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
So far, the sins of the church are forgiven
.in Christ Jesus
because we have done these things in ignorance of the revealed Truth.
(Num 15:28 KJV) And the priest shall make an atonement for the soul that sinneth ignorantly, when he sinneth by ignorance before the LORD, to make an atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him.
29 Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance, both for him that is born among the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them.
But the Truth shall be revealed in the last day and religious man is expected to repent of his sins and enter into His rest. The Truth shall be preached by the angels
the messengers of the revealed Truth
.the little ones. Those who would despise the little ones, despises the Father and Son that sent them. Their sin would then be presumptuous
..
30 But the soul that doeth ought presumptuously,whether he be born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the LORD; and that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
because they would have despised the Word of the LORD as preached through the little ones that were sent by Him to preach. Their sins shall be retained
.their iniquity shall be upon his own head then.
31 Because he hath despised the word of the LORD, and hath broken his commandment, that soul shall utterly be cut off; his iniquity shall be upon him.
For if we sin WILLFULLY
.presumptuously
.AFTER we have received the KNOWLEDGE of the Truth, there remains NO MORE SACRIFICE for sins. The little ones come to preach the revealed Word of the LORD in this last day
.and religious man is expected to heed what is being preached.
(Heb 10:26 KJV) For if we sin wilfully afterthat we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
The wrath of God will come upon those who will disesteem His Truth as preached by the little ones.
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Two or three witnesses
..binding on earth and in heaven by the Lord who listens to them.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
By the way religious man responds to the revealing of the Truth, he shall be judged. Those that would believe in His revealed Truth in this last day shall be justified. Those who will not believe and will persecute those who preach the Truth shall be condemned. The Lord will send out His little ones to preach the Truth
.some will kept their sayings and others will not.
(John 15:20 KJV) Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.
The Lord will speak through His little ones by their preaching of the Truth
.those that will not listen are those who will no longer have a cloak for their sins. The man of sin shall be revealed by the preaching of the Truth of the little ones. Their sins would be "presumptuous"...willful.
22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin.
23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.
Woe to the man who shall offend these little ones. Woe to those who will persecute the little ones over their preaching of the Truth. Just as they did to Jesus, they will oppose
they will contradict
.they will hate those whom He sends out.
(Mat 18:6 KJV) But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!