Ana the Ist
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Random tangents? I'm not the one who brought up lynching and incarceration rates.
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Where you respond to any point with random tangents and aren't willing to process obvious realities, where is there to go? It just becomes a pointless quibble over details.
Then why did you say that we needed to understand her position? Her position is a racist view. Did you not say we needed to try and understand?Whatever you’re saying there it has nothing to do with anything I said.
the US, it isn't long since people were being strung up in the street or thrown in jail for life simply for being black. Black men are still regularly killed by the police there, and a black person who uses drugs is much more likely to be thrown in jail for years than a white person doing exactly the same thing. That's without getting into the whole history of people being taken there by white Europeans en masse, with no option in the matter and under the most horrendous circumstances. These are all verifiable facts. It seems simply unbelievable that anyone could think this is something people should just 'get over' and 'move on' and that some resentment against whites isn't entlrely natural. Seriously, give it some thought - if someone whose family had consistently treated yours like dirt for generations just pitched up at your house expecting to be best buds, and flew into petulant whining if you ever mentioned that past behaviour, how would you react?
Ok, what you seem to be saying is that you don't think the history of slavery in the US or the other examples of mistreatment of one ethnic group by another has any relevance in the present. I can't think of any example where this idea would be true. If you are right, then you might have missed a career as an international peacemaker - you could simply go in and tell the Tamils, or the IRA or any other group agrieved by some past event that it simply doesn't matter anymore, and they should forget about it.
Then you are referencing current violence within the black community - I don't see what the link to what the rest of what you are saying is.
Sure, quoting wikipedia proves your assertion of a 'forced famine' that 'killed millions'.
While absentee landlords and tenant farming was an unjust and often brutal practice, it certainly wasn't unique to Ireland .
It has links to sources lol. How many sources did you want?
The famine it created was. It's arguably the worst famine of the decade.
It's interesting how the mere possibility that a judge sometimes may make a racist decision is a problem that allows you to dismiss racism....
...yet you're completely hand waving away the British stealing land from the Irish, forcing them into servitude, and leaving them with literally one option to feed themselves.
Would it be fair to say that you only recognize the oppression of some races and not others?
At what point does history no longer have relevance to her racist behavior? How long are people able to use history as a relevance to support their racist behaviors?
Then why did you say that we needed to understand her position? Her position is a racist view. Did you not say we needed to try and understand?
Aha - now you’re starting to get it. Many people at the time offered up the same arguments as you do to explain away the effects of centuries of slavery;
The conflict in Ireland was over a century before, all this ‘oppression’ is nonsense, look at how they behave, it’s their own fault and blah blah.
The arguments about the actual, technical reasons for famine, as seen at the time were no less widely accepted than the notions people have now about other issues, like the descendants of slaves in the US.
I never once "explained away the effects of slavery"...I just don't use them to excuse racism today.
The conflict in Ireland, arguably, happened until the 1990s.
So if I were to say a bunch of racist beliefs....let's say I tried to exclude people from the forum because of their race....you'd come to my defense by pointing out that the Irish were oppressed?
I never once "explained away the effects of slavery"
What then are the effects of slavery?
The idea that the vid in the OP is some sort of spontaneous result of ‘racism’ is daft in the extreme.
Bit of a feeble analogy.
I'm not surprised that you don't know...
It's exactly what you're doing here...what's the difference?
So keen to see everything that riles you as racist? There are far more egregious demonstrations of racism you could find. It seems a rather odd question to me. If your country were invaded and you and your people were removed en masse, and you and your people were put to work basically until you died from it to build someone else’s nation, in which you were then not welcome in much of it, would you expect those who came after you to just forget about it? Who can decide when others should just forget what happened to them? People either do, or the don’t. Who are you suggest some sort of arbitrary time limit should be put on it?
Actually I was wondering what you think. What do you think? What have been the effects/affects of slavery in the US?
What is my analogy?
I think that's a long and off topic question.
Do you have a different definition of racism? Your first sentence makes it sound like you don't thing the OP girl shared anything that was racist.
As long as your racist there will be no healing between races. As long as you hold a grudge there will be no healing.
And there is no reason to hold a grudge over things that you weren't a part of. Should the Jews hold a grudge towards the germans and not want to allow them around?
How about the Irish, should they not want to be around the English?
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