RACISM? No, it is not.

[msgstephen]

Actually, I think, 'could be wrong, but think that sethad hates the white race and, by extension, cultures that have a high content of white people. His knee-jerk reaction telling me to just go join the KKK, in my opinion, let's his racism slip.

I'm not racist. I'm talking about culture, regardless of the race of the person or people who participate in that culture. I do believe there are those who would like to dismantle cultures where they perceive Judeo-Christian ethic and European roots. Some of these are self-hating whites, others are members of other races.

Look, imagine I visited China. Then I told them I didn't want them to call their New Year celebrations New Year celebrations because I adhere to a different calendar and their different New Year upsets my clock and offends me. Do you really think I'd be within my rights? I don't think so. They celebrate the Chinese New year in China the way they want to, and they call it what they want to, and so on. It's not my place to tell them they shouldn't, or to tell them to change it even if I moved there permanently.

 

[sethad]

Actually, I think, 'could be wrong, but think that sethad hates the white race and, by extension, cultures that have a high content of white people. His knee-jerk reaction telling me to just go join the KKK, in my opinion, let's his racism slip.

I'm not racist. I'm talking about culture, regardless of the race of the person or people who participate in that culture. I do believe there are those who would like to dismantle cultures where they perceive Judeo-Christian ethic and European roots. Some of these are self-hating whites, others are members of other races.

Look, imagine I visited China. Then I told them I didn't want them to call their New Year celebrations New Year celebrations because I adhere to a different calendar and their different New Year upsets my clock and offends me. Do you really think I'd be within my rights? I don't think so. They celebrate the Chinese New year in China the way they want to, and they call it what they want to, and so on. It's not my place to tell them they shouldn't, or to tell them to change it even if I moved there permanently.

see? this is exactly what I mean. and people are taking his side on this?

I dont hate white people and I'm not racist. why is it that everyone who disagrees with you, you call them a racist? thats the reason why I made the KKK remark you know, to show you what it was like to be told something like that for no reason.

I'm half white. I have white cousins. I had a white girlfriend at one point and white friends. I also have cousins who are asian/white/Latino and Latino/black and white/black and so on. I'm not racist.

tell me...when have I said one thing derogatory towards any race?

 

[rosenherman]

The Europeans who immigrated here brought their language their ideas their morals and their culture with them. they then forced Native Americans to try to "fit" into their culture.

so you're wrong, again.

The Europeans who emmigrated here didn't force my ancestors to do anything. The Indians were left to themselves for a couple of hundred years. So, it appears that you are wrong, yet again. You should keep your remarks to those things you are familar with.

and no they dont move here because they think the American culture is "superior". they move here for more oppurtunities...and something about "freedom of religion" and "freedom of speech" and so on appeals to them too.

Gee another example of the superiority of American culture.

my grandparents came to America for more oppurtunities. they still kept their culture but they added "american culture" to it making it a mix. Thanksgiving is interesting...we always have turkey etc but also all kinds of Central/South American food.

They added to the American culture. They left their own culture behind.

 

[urnotme]

First of all, let's make sure we're discussing the same issue. I am not discussing legalities at the moment. I am discussing God's will for the church.



Regarding that will, our Apostle Paul made it clear.

To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews. To those under the law I became as one under the law (though not being myself under the law) that I might win those under the law. To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law. To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all people, that by all means I might save some. I do it all for the sake of the gospel, that I may share with them in its blessings. (1 Corinthians 9:20-23)


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Paul is speaking about cultural issues. As Adam Clarke's commentary on the verse says, "In Act 16:3, we find that for the sake of the unconverted Jews he circumcised Timothy." But because of the Gentiles, Paul also lived among them, when even Peter drew himself away (and was rebuked for it). Apparently, Christians are required to mix with other cultures.


I have to admit that I am troubled by what you say. You speak about Christians from different cultures having "different values." Do we not all worship the same Lord Jesus Christ? Do we not read the same Holy Scriptures? How, then, can we have different values?

Finally, you said, "The color of somebodies skin doesn't have anything to do with it." But Msgstephen has been speaking about so-called "white culture." Yet by what you say, it seems to me that you would consider a black American to be part of your culture, and a white Eastern European to be of a different culture. Are you certain that you are discussing cultural issues rather than racial ones?

I disaree with his commentary annd I was refering more to the christian way of life as opposed to the muslims etc. IIf they work ok but if not I doon't think we are biblicaly required to associate with them. It's a personal preference and not a religious responsibility.

 

[sethad]

The Europeans who emmigrated here didn't force my ancestors to do anything. The Indians were left to themselves for a couple of hundred years. So, it appears that you are wrong, yet again. You should keep your remarks to those things you are familar with.

That doesnt change the fact that the Europeans didnt change their culture when they came here. and eventually they did everything in their power to try to "change" the Native Americans.

Gee another example of the superiority of American culture.

there is no superior culture and there is no superior race

They added to the American culture. They left their own culture behind.

no they kept their culture they kept their language. they still celebrate the other holidays and eat the food and speak the language everyday. they only added some of the American culture to it. they did not impact the American culture around them in any way and they did not force anyone around them to speak their language or follow their culture. the same goes for most immigrants.

 

[urnotme]

It seems that I really am addressing a different issue than most others here. Most of you are concerned about Muslim culture and Western culture. But you must all realize that the Christian church is comprised of many different cultures. Whatever we all think of Muslim culture, we must never make the mistake of thinking that Western culture and Christian culture are the same thing. The point I've been trying to make in the past several posts is that the church of God and Christ is comprised of many different cultures, and it is of the utmost importance that all Christians embrace every culture which exists within the church. Do you agree?

I was talking about culture as it relates to religion not as it relates to skin color.

 

[urnotme]

i think it's great that you are proud of your country, man, but don't you think you are being (more than) a little egotistical and....well....mean? i work summers teaching art at a "rich kid camp," where there is some of this kind of mindset. as i explained to the kids, no culture is superior. [sidenote--i didn't tell the kids this, but wasn't your stance also *Hitler's* stance?] they're just different.

He wasn't right on a lot of things but he was proud of his country and that isn't necessarily a bad thing.

 

[sethad]

He wasn't right on a lot of things but he was proud of his country and that isn't necessarily a bad thing.

It's fine to be proud of who you are and proud of where you come from. But when that borders onto wanting to make everyone like you and accusing people of being racist and "anti white culture" just because they dont agree makes the pride of his heritage not worth a thing.

 

[SpaceIsThePlace]

He wasn't right on a lot of things but he was proud of his country and that isn't necessarily a bad thing.

who? Hitler? umm.....is that all you have to say about what Hitler did?

 

[sethad]

who? Hitler? umm.....is that all you have to say?

I think he was talking about msgstephen and maybe rosenherman too

 

[urnotme]

Ay sethad, apoco se te ocurre tal cosa?

Same to you.

 

[Talmidah]

So then why didn't the Europeans leave their culture behind and adopt the native american culture when they first came to this continent?

 

[sethad]

So then why didn't the Europeans leave their culture behind and adopt the native american culture when they first came to this continent?

that's what I keep asking but she is conviently ignoring it

 

[morningstar2651]

No, the defence had never crystalized to any great extent. For one thing, hate laws have had a very chilling effect, not just on hate speech but on any related disent. No one wants to risk being a 'test case' etc. etc. So people just have been putting up with the erasure of their own culture in their own lands.

Hate Laws protect White Straight Christians just as much as they protect minorities.

 

[urnotme]

who? Hitler? umm.....is that all you have to say about what Hitler did?

No it's just the only thing he did that I don't disagree with.

 

[sethad]

No it's just the only thing he did that I don't disagree with.

oh you were talking about Hitler.

the people that Hitler killed were all a part of the country they were in. they may have had some cultural differences but that is not necassarily why Hitler had them killed.

I remember reading that Hitler was addicted to drugs, he most likely had paranoid schitzophrenia. His mother died while under the care of a Jewish doctor, so that and other incidents made him start to think that the Jews were evil and trying to take over. He was also afraid of his own sexuality so he started being paranoid about that too and diverting that fear to homosexuals.

and so on.

I dont remember the name of the book now...which is too bed. I had read parts of it last year, it was in the library.

edit: LOL oops...my subconcious is speaking. I said "bed" instead of bad. cant tell I'm a bit sleep deprived

 

[The Seeker]

When I have to read a lot etc. etc. punctuation makes it so much easier to read and understand a post. One of those post of yours was so badly composed I couldn't make out what you were trying to say. Why should you expect me to respond if you cannot make the effort?

It might help if you made the effort to quote the posts you are replying to, of course.

 

[The Seeker]

Gee another example of the superiority of American culture.

So lets see, you're saying that pluralism is an example of why American culture is superior (ignoring the fact that pluralism is not a uniquely American political phenomenom for now), which is why people should leave their cultures behind when they come to America?

*pulls fragments of irony meter out of backside*

 

[sethad]

I wonder, rosenherman...name 10 things that are an American invention and an element of "American culture"

and you still didnt answer, if people conform and leave their culture behind when leaving their country why didnt the European immigrants conform to Native American culture?

 

[msgstephen]

And it is true. There's been a real movement afoot to erase anything perceived as "white" etc. etc. One Liberal MP commented that Halifax was "too white" and suggest the government should look into ways to flood the area with immigrants to "change it". An insulting and racist remark and assault on several levels. It's as if I went to 'Harlem' N.Y.C. and said it was "too Black" and that the place should be erased. Bigotted nonsense.