RACISM? No, it is not.

SpaceIsThePlace · Dec 14, 2005

msgstephen said:
RACISM? No, it is not. That the Islamic juggernaught has hit a wall in Australia is NOT racism. Most, not all yet, but most "Westerners" do not care about the colour of a person's skin.

Here in Canada, people of every race aspire and attain every career available. Race is not an issue, really.

But, forces that hate traditionally European-based culture and religion will scream "Racism!" should anything get in their way of dismantling everything they perceive as European based.

They want to dismantle democracy, Christianity, self-esteem among whites, Judeo-Christian based ethics and so on.

Get in their way and suddenly they scream "RACIST!".

Now here's an interesting story. The Governor General of Canada, a black woman if that means anything anymore, had a tree put up this year outside her residence in celibration of the Season. Her office, dutifully obedient to the forces that want to destroy all things European based, quickly announced the presence of the tree calling it a HOLIDAY TREE.

The Governor General was shocked. And came out with a statment saying that the tree was definitely NOT a Holiday Tree .. Her Excellency Michaelle Jean made sure everyone in the country knew very well it was a CHRISTMAS TREE.

Since then, several municipalities in Canada have officially returned to calling a kettle a kettle and a Christmas Tree a Christmas Tree.

It's not racism, it's claiming one's rightful culture.

Why should traditionally Judeo-Christian and European culture countries submit every time? Why should it be their culture that is endlessly diminished? People are beginning to stand up against the onslaught against them.

i'm going to try very hard not to be mean right now. excuse me if/when it comes out sounding like it.

what in the name of your Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ are you trying to say? that you aren't racist? because it sure sounds to me like you are. i wasn't entirely sure at first, i actually had to go back and read it several times because i kept saying to myself "oh no he didn't!" but oh yes, he did.

poor white people. all that those crazy minorities ever do is try to degrade your WASP culture. please--don't give me that. what about all those years of Black slavery--how does one atone for that? what about the Japanese internment in North America--how does one atone for that? what about mass extermination of Jews, biracials, homosexuals, gypsies, and countless others in the Holocaust? What about the Armenian genocide? What about the slaughter of Indians in the days of Gandhi? people have suffered and died because of stupid things mainstream white cultures have done, and you have the nerve to complain to us about how your "culture" is being flushed down les toilettes? please don't. seriously, man. i'm not saying that you are, but you make yourself out to look like, well, a punk.

other cultures are beautiful, man. you really should learn to embrace them if you want to get along with anybody worth getting along with in this life. i love speaking Spanish and French, i love talking to people from other countries, i love going to the Mandir and Amnesty International and UU conferences, i love everything about it. life is so much more beautiful when you learn to accept other people for who they are and what they do. it's wonderful! just try to open up your mind a little bit, you'll be amazed to see where it takes you.

Om Shanti.

applepowerpc · Dec 14, 2005

I see nothing racist in msgstephen's posts. Actually, he has a point: racism and culturalism are not the same thing.

msgstephen · Dec 14, 2005

So you hate Christians and whites and European culture and you think dismantling their society is good "payback" for the holocuast and slavery.

Are you a white-hating racist? Because you sure sound like it.

Now, let's leave ye olde 19th century and get into the 21st.

I'm not racist. I'm not American and don't feel particulary responsible for "slavery", and I was never a Nazi and hate what they did to the Jews.

I'm Canadian. I like my Canadian culture. And I applaud what our Governor General - Her Excellency Michaelle Jean [a black woman if that means anything anymore here] - did vis a vis the Christmas tree.

Just because you hate whites doesn't mean I should let you and your ilke dismantle Canadian culture.

SpaceIsThePlace · Dec 14, 2005

msgstephen said:
So you hate Christians and whites and European culture and you think dismantling their society is good "payback" for the holocuast and slavery.

Are you a white-hating racist? Because you sure sound like it.

Now, let's leave ye olde 19th century and get into the 21st.

I'm not racist. I'm not American and don't feel particulary responsible for "slavery", and I was never a Nazi and hate what they did to the Jews.

I'm Canadian. I like my Canadian culture. And I applaud what our Governor General - Her Excellency Michaelle Jean [a black woman if that means anything anymore here] - did vis a vis the Christmas tree.

Just because you hate whites doesn't mean I should let you and your ilke dismantle Canadian culture.

what? i am white, why would i hate white people? i don't believe in hating anyone. be good.

arunma · Dec 14, 2005

applepowerpc said:
I see nothing racist in msgstephen's posts. Actually, he has a point: racism and culturalism are not the same thing.

Then perhaps you should explain to me the difference. I have never met a so-called "culturalist" who didn't also oppose interracial marriage on the grounds that it dilutes racial purity. Are you to be the first?

Again, please don't assume that I support Islam in the slightest.

msgstephen · Dec 14, 2005

There are whites who's lips snear when they say the word. They have personal issues with their own race [or they've swallowed white-hating hook line and sinker and unconsciously knee-jerk hate all things white] and support anyone or anything who hates it.

People of every race and mixed race should feel positive about being who they are, including .. yup, you guessed it .. whites. Have a bit of self-esteem. Quit cow-towing to those who would erase your culture because they associate it with whites [even though, in Canada, our culture is not specifically white; it is, rather, Canadian].

I like beaver-tails and you cannot stop me.

msgstephen · Dec 14, 2005

QUOTE]I have never met a so-called "culturalist"[[/QUOTE]

Well now you have.

sethad · Dec 14, 2005

msgstephen said:
See, I'm not racist. Race is decidely not the point. You, however, are probably a racist [anti-white] although I don't say here for sure you are, just that I suspect it.

What I'm saying, is that in this world the Judeo-Christian/European culture is expected to diminish and pay the price while all other cultures impose upon it.

I agree with those in Australia that it is time to stop calling our Christmas Trees "holiday trees" [among many other things we are expected to change] and take a stand for our culture, its quirks, and its value and refuse those who would erase it [however so blatantly or sublty].

Here in Canada, it is a black woman [I'm just mentioning that for sake of this particular discussion and your rude accusing me of being wanting to join the KKK], Her Excellency Michaelle Jean, who has drawn a line in the sand. I fully support her position.

hah...because I'm not white (well..actually I am half white. Russian German and Irish to be exact) you think that I'm anti-white and racist against whites?

get a life dude. That would be like me saying that ALL whites are racist. and everyone knows that is NOT true.

I never said you wanted to join the KKK. I said you sound like some of them with the whole white nationalism and "keeping our white culture" and "keeping America christian bit". I was giving you a taste of what you're giving everyone else; to every person who disagrees with you, you accuse them of being anti white and racist.

so hows that feel to be on the recieving end of someone else's stupidity?

applepowerpc · Dec 14, 2005

"keeping America christian bit".

So Christianity is a white man's religion? That's news to me.

sethad · Dec 14, 2005

msgstephen said:
There are whites who's lips snear when they say the word. They have personal issues with their own race [or they've swallowed white-hating hook line and sinker and unconsciously knee-jerk hate all things white] and support anyone or anything who hates it.

People of every race and mixed race should feel positive about being who they are, including .. yup, you guessed it .. whites. Have a bit of self-esteem. Quit cow-towing to those who would erase your culture because they associate it with whites [even though, in Canada, our culture is not specifically white; it is, rather, Canadian].

I like beaver-tails and you cannot stop me.

who said that white people dont and cant have self esteem?

and people who arent completely "whites only" like you are hate their own race? I doubt that. I wonder how you feel about interracial marriage

and no its not "white culture" because not every white person comes from the same cultural background. Culture in Russia is very different from culture in England, and so on. Each culture is as valid and good as the rest. whether it be Russian, Irish, Scottish, French...etc or it be Hispanic or African or Asian.

the only one saying otherwise is you.

sethad · Dec 14, 2005

applepowerpc said:
So Christianity is a white man's religion? That's news to me.

for members of any christian identity group...yes. they think that only white people can be saved and so on.

look it up on the internet. I cant post any links here.

SpaceIsThePlace · Dec 14, 2005

msgstephen said:
There are whites who's lips snear when they say the word. They have personal issues with their own race [or they've swallowed white-hating hook line and sinker and unconsciously knee-jerk hate all things white] and support anyone or anything who hates it.

People of every race and mixed race should feel positive about being who they are, including .. yup, you guessed it .. whites. Have a bit of self-esteem. Quit cow-towing to those who would erase your culture because they associate it with whites [even though, in Canada, our culture is not specifically white; it is, rather, Canadian].

I like beaver-tails and you cannot stop me.

beaver tails? what? anyway, don't you tell me to stop "cow-towing" to nothing, dude. just because i'm not a "culturalist" doesn't mean i'm doing anything to please the masses. i think for myself, thank you kindly, and have a nice day.

urnotme · Dec 14, 2005

arunma said:
What you say has some merit in theory. I, however, have never met someone who wanted to protect "European Christian Culture," and who was not racist. Most of these people also believe in the superiority of Western culture, they believe that Christianity is characteristically Western, and they think that white people should not intermarry with non-whites. I'm curious as to your opinions on these issues.

Question: you talk about Western culture and Christianity as if they were the same thing. So how does anything you've said apply to those of us Christians who aren't Western? Are you asking us to assimilate to Western culture because we are Christians?

I think what she's getting at is why not call a christmas tree a christmas tree?

msgstephen · Dec 14, 2005

For sure, it was not me who first mentioned KKK.

sethad · Dec 14, 2005

msgstephen said:
For sure, it was not me who first mentioned KKK.

But it was you who was ranting about the minority and people being anti-white culture anti european anti christian etc etc etc

msgstephen · Dec 14, 2005

If you were Canadian, you would know what beaver tails are.

sethad · Dec 14, 2005

msgstephen said:
If you were Canadian, you would know what beaver tails are.

not everyone is like you.

thats it. the world is over. everyone make amends with your loved ones

msgstephen · Dec 14, 2005

Now you are twisting my words. But then, you don't care enough about your replies to capitalize and to punctuate enough to make them comprehensible. I won't be replying to your posts anymore after this until you do.

msgstephen · Dec 14, 2005

Thats a blantant and racist falsehood. You should retract that.

sethad · Dec 14, 2005

msgstephen said:
Now you are twisting my words. But then, you don't care enough about your replies to capitalize and to punctuate enough to make them comprehensible. I won't be replying to your posts anymore after this until you do.

picky picky.

How is this. Is this good English according to you?

sorry I'm not in school anymore and I could really care less.

so is that code for "since I cant answer him, I'll tell him to type how I want to"?

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