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Racism, Bigotry and the Like

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As not to derail another thread I thought a new thread was needed.

I believe firmly that this subject is becoming taboo today even though the problems still exist. So let's begin with a definition of bigotry.

big·ot·ry
ˈbigətrē
noun
noun: bigotry; plural noun: bigotries
bigoted attitudes; intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

The key word in this definition is intolerance.

rac·ism
ˈrāˌsizəm
noun
noun: racism
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

synonyms: racial discrimination, racialism, racial prejudice, xenophobia, chauvinism, bigotry, casteism

I so wish I could say these words have never applied to me but by the definitions I can't tell that lie.
I have found educating myself on things I find myself intolerant of seems to be good medicine. There is something missing from these definitions. Hate.

I want to share a story a woman shared with me about her life. she said she never considered herself a bigot or a racist. Then it reared it's head in her. Her daughter began dating a black man. She found herself dead set against it. She'd never met the man but just felt it was wrong. Her daughter was in college and wanted to bring her beau home for the Christmas vacation. The woman forbid it hoping this was just some passing phase in her daughter's life or some kind of rebellion she was expressing. Her daughter came home for the holidays and tried to talk about it with her mother. Mom would not speak about it and forbid her to speak about it in her home it caused a rift between them and they did not speak for four years. Her daughter married the man and never told her mother. Then the daughter had a child and became a mother herself. She felt it was time to deal with the rift between her and mom. She called her mom and told her she was a Grandmother. mom asked who the father was and she said her husband. mom asked who her husband was. She told her mother she'd married a doctor after college and then told her mther she was buying her an airline ticket to come meet her granddaughter and husband.
Mom was thrilled. Throughout the flight she was happy with herself for being so harsh on her daughter for her rebellion. At the airport she met her new son-in-law and granddaughter. She fell in love with them both.

I bring this subject up as I see this between Christians just as often if not worse than i see it in the world. In the US we have something called the Black Church. We also have a white church although we of the Caucasian race don't like to say it of speak those words. The truth is there is but one Church began by a man that was most likely neither white of black but probably a bronze Middle-eastern.
There is nothing bigoted about disagreeing. There is nothing bigoted about having differing views and beliefs. That is unless we are intolerant of the views of others. Being tolerant does not mean you have to agree. It means you understand they believe such. It means you understand they don't see things the way you do. It means you love them despite the differences.
If we are to be bigots, let it be toward hatred.
God forgive me for my own bigotry.
Any thoughts?
 
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I wish we could have a group who could disagree without having to call names. By the book definition, I am bigotted toward some people. I still dont think I am racist though I am prejudice. I really love discussing issues with people who think differently than me but really dont like it when the name calling comes out by anybody.
 
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I wish we could have a group who could disagree without having to call names. By the book definition, I am bigotted toward some people. I still dont think I am racist though I am prejudice. I really love discussing issues with people who think differently than me but really dont like it when the name calling comes out by anybody.

Name calling for the sake of name calling isn't good. Name using as a description is another matter. Both hurt feelings. But so does truth. If I lie I am a liar. If I steal I am a thief. If I am intolerant of you (and I have read your blog)I am a bigot. For sure it's not sweet sounding. But it's not unloving.
I call myself a sinner daily and ask for God's mercy. It does not feel good to call myself something so vile. But it helps me to know my shortcomings. Jesus wasn't always sweet in speech. He called some vipers and even called Peter Satan. More than once he asked His friends how long he must endure their lack of faith.
There is a certain poster here who is very abrasive( I mean one besides me). What is so abrasive about the chap is his honesty. No little white lies to make you feel better. I have grown to love him. I admire one who doesn't beat around the bush.
Do you know why Jesus spoke so harshly? He was bigoted toward hate. Being bigoted toward sin is not a bad thing. being bigoted toward a living soul is what I speak against. Even when it's me doing it.
Bless you for being willing to discuss this. it isn't pleasant.
BTW I do consider you a Christian. You have enough love and compassion that it shows.
 
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Name calling for the sake of name calling isn't good. Name using as a description is another matter. Both hurt feelings. But so does truth. If I lie I am a liar. If I steal I am a thief. If I am intolerant of you (and I have read your blog)I am a bigot. For sure it's not sweet sounding. But it's not unloving.
I call myself a sinner daily and ask for God's mercy. It does not feel good to call myself something so vile. But it helps me to know my shortcomings. Jesus wasn't always sweet in speech. He called some vipers and even called Peter Satan. More than once he asked His friends how long he must endure their lack of faith.
There is a certain poster here who is very abrasive( I mean one besides me). What is so abrasive about the chap is his honesty. No little white lies to make you feel better. I have grown to love him. I admire one who doesn't beat around the bush.
Do you know why Jesus spoke so harshly? He was bigoted toward hate. Being bigoted toward sin is not a bad thing. being bigoted toward a living soul is what I speak against. Even when it's me doing it.
Bless you for being willing to discuss this. it isn't pleasant.
BTW I do consider you a Christian. You have enough love and compassion that it shows.

Thank you. I really meant name calling for no reason. If someone calls what I am doing an abomination while in a religious discussion, I wont even bat an eye because I know the wording of the Bibles they are most likely using. Some of the most abrasive and opposite opinioned people on here are some of my favorite posters. Chatting with people who agree with you all the time gets boring and doesnt challenge you to think any harder.
 
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Racism is a sin, bigotry is an emotion laden word used to mind numb the masses...
By definition true christians would be considered bigots as we are called not to be conformed to this world but be transformed by the renewing of our minds...IOW our opinions will be different.
Were told to make no distinction..
4 have you not then made distinctions among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts?
 
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As not to derail another thread I thought a new thread was needed.

I believe firmly that this subject is becoming taboo today even though the problems still exist. So let's begin with a definition of bigotry.

big·ot·ry
ˈbigətrē
noun
noun: bigotry; plural noun: bigotries
bigoted attitudes; intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

The key word in this definition is intolerance.

IF we learn no other lesson from the Dark Ages and the persecution of the saints extending almost to the 19th century - we should learn that one.

To torture, torment, exterminate, kill etc anyone just because they differ with your view of the Bible or theology, or because of their race or nationality -- is wrong. We all have a sinful nature and we all need the Gospel.

in Christ,

Bob
 
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My battles with this has been using the solution of dividing people into two camps: Christians and the lost. You are either one or the other, and neither are my enemies.

Amen. At the coming of Christ there will only be the saved and the lost.

And then it will be the "irrevokably saved/lost" (Rev 22) but today the majority are still changeably so..

in Christ,

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My battles with this has been using the solution of dividing people into two camps: Christians and the lost. You are either one or the other, and neither are my enemies.

The only way I know to tell the difference is to ask or walk a good while with them. Christians sometimes act unchristian and the lost sometime act christian.I know scripture says we can tell by their fruit but it takes a bit more than a short conversation or observance.
I'm not much of a fruit inspector anyway . I have my own faults to inspect. Wrongs are easy to spot but don't indicate someone's belief. I hate sin and find myself wallowing in it.
 
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Racism is a sin, bigotry is an emotion laden word used to mind numb the masses...
By definition true christians would be considered bigots as we are called not to be conformed to this world but be transformed by the renewing of our minds...IOW our opinions will be different.
Were told to make no distinction..
4 have you not then made distinctions among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts?

Just curious, how is racism a sin?
 
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The only way I know to tell the difference is to ask or walk a good while with them. Christians sometimes act unchristian and the lost sometime act christian.I know scripture says we can tell by their fruit but it takes a bit more than a short conversation or observance.
I'm not much of a fruit inspector anyway . I have my own faults to inspect. Wrongs are easy to spot but don't indicate someone's belief. I hate sin and find myself wallowing in it.

That is the hard part, finding that out. Most people win those closest to them in christ more often than random strangers. I think the days of big tent revivals are over and we have to start using a more personal approach and makes friends of everyone to the best of our ability.

That is the true test of christian love and diligence, being a friend to everyone. Some people aren't going to like you regardless of your kindness and courtesy.
 
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Just curious, how is racism a sin?

By making distinctions.. we are judging with evil thoughts.
4 have you not then made distinctions among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts?

and in reality there is only one race...The human race.
 
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Racism is a sin, bigotry is an emotion laden word used to mind numb the masses...
By definition true christians would be considered bigots as we are called not to be conformed to this world but be transformed by the renewing of our minds...IOW our opinions will be different.
Were told to make no distinction..
4 have you not then made distinctions among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts?

I think it would take a tad more than a word to numb your brain brother. But you are right that people have fallen for that. It's just a word that describes intolerance. In and of it's self it's not a sin depending on what your not tolerating.
No we are not to conform to this world. but we are to minister to this world and being intolerant (meaning to stop up your ears or force one to stop sharing their thought)is another matter. I'm not saying we need to agree with it or even stop speaking against it.

I see a mindset in many Christians that seem to want the lost to follow our rules. I don't think we can ask such at least until we master following them ourselves.
We also seem to have pet sins to rail against. Railing against sin isn't bad but dead is dead. Your just as dead from one as the other (save one). I'm thinking this pertains to the verses you listed.
 
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This one can go in so many directions. And it is a good topic - it has taught me much over the years, and continues to teach me lessons.

I find people who I can respect as brothers and sisters in Christ who disagree with me greatly on certain issues. And I can respect them for even being very outspoken and as you say, they will not tell "little white lies" to make you feel better that they disagree with you.

I can still respect that, even while disagreeing with them. Particularly when I can understand them, because sometimes I have been in the faith structure where they are coming from, so I know they are simply being faithful to what they believe.

I must admit, I get a little frustrated when the conversation turns to personal attacks and/or they get stuck in what they think I said, rather than what I actually said, but then it's usually time to just back out of the conversation so as not to be more an occasion for someone else to sin or tempt myself to sin in retaliation.

The very best conversations of all are with those who may not agree with my beliefs, but can discuss matters congenially. Everyone sounds more reasonable when they are being congenial, and my ears are better able to hear what they are saying.

So maybe that's a little of my own bigotry showing (I hope it's the well-placed bigotry against hatred, but I fear it's just human nature, more willing to listen to a reasonable person instead of an unreasonable one. ;) ).

So much good fodder for thought in this topic ... in many directions.
 
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I can also appreciate the scenario you posted. I don't think I'd find myself racially bigoted (kind of a been-there-done-that when my niece brought a black man to Thanksgiving dinner, then married him and they had children - I think I was the only one who accepted it and was willing to help her).

However, I have my triggers. If my daughter wanted to marry a Muslim, I'd be beyond upset. That's not racially motivated, but I'm not sure I could get past that. Thankfully she is betrothed, and to a Christian boy, though I could wish him more committed to his faith.
 
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But hatred of Muslims can be racial. How many people just think an Arab is naturally Muslim, even though there are many Arab Christians.

There is of course that possibility. However in my case, it is the religion I object to.

There can be non-Arab Muslims. There can also be Arab Christians.

For that matter, there are other religions she could present me with as her choice of husband that would upset me as well. Some more so than Muslim, and some to lesser degrees.

Let's just say I want my daughter to marry a Christian man.

His race is immaterial.

I would prefer certain types of Christian over others as well, but if he believes in the Nicene Creed, that will pretty much suffice - certainly over a non- Christian.

Even if that makes me bigoted, I will still stand by it.

Just my personal response to MamaK's intro. :)


ETA I missed what I was agreeing to. I DO NOT HATE Muslims. They need salvation just as anyone else. I simply strongly prefer my daughter marry a Christian.
 
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