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In orthodox, normative Christianity, the call to the presbytery is from God, tested by the Church (who also helps train the man called with the help of the Holy Spirit) and ratified by the church by ordination.
The Saviour Yeshua, founded the church, and thus gave it the mandate to exercise this authority of recognizing His call to the ministry among suitably qualified men. Just as the Father did so when He called Moishe and the elders of Israel to judge on such matters that concerned His people, so the NT church has such a call. The people of God continue in the ministry founded at the beginning.
Israel was a nation of priests, yet with a separate priesthood. Likewise, the Church. I could talk about this in a separate thread.
Maybe when you were MJ yourself you would cough up that answer yourself or have your already forgotten why those terms are used. But here I go. When those gentiles that were the main masses of Christianity formed and got together at the council of Nicea they didn't want anything to do with anything Jewish. Am I right? As a matter of fact they said that they didn't want anything similar to anything Jewish.Some despise all things Greeek/Roman. They think that the Judaic terms are inherrently better because anything Greek/Roman MUST be influenced by paganism somehow... right?
*rolls eyes*
Anisavta, you're using the wrong example. A few examples of terms where I've seen Messianics artificially employ a Hebraic word/phrase instead of the original Greek/Roman/English word.
Jsus = Yshua
Hly Spirit = Ruach HaKodesh
New Testament = Brit Chadasha
Paul = Rav Sha'ul
Why do Messianics use these terms instead of the original, which might prevent confusion?
The words Jsus, Hly Spirit, New Testament, and the name Paul are commonly understood iterations of the word. However, it seems that the Messianics use those other words to replace them. Why?
Anisavta, you're using the wrong example. A few examples of terms where I've seen Messianics artificially employ a Hebraic word/phrase instead of the original Greek/Roman/English word.
Jsus = Yshua
Hly Spirit = Ruach HaKodesh
New Testament = Brit Chadasha
Paul = Rav Sha'ul
Why do Messianics use these terms instead of the original, which might prevent confusion?
That's just the thing, you've got it backwards. Gentiles are trying to replace their heritage with another, attempting to emulate Jews. If your statement were reflective of reality, then Gentiles would not want to give up their Grecko/Roman expression of faith. Instead, we see in MJ'ism this explicit need or desire to cast off anything relating to Grecko/Roman terminology, as if "Jewish/Hebrew" makes it inherrently better.People don't want to give up their native language and heritage.
4 Thus saith HaShem: For three transgressions of Judah, yea, for four, I will not reverse it: because they have rejected the law of HaShem, and have not kept His statutes, and their lies have caused them to err, after which their fathers did walk.Your signature is poorly translated. If you're interested in why I think so, let me know. I don't want to waste my time on it if you're not.
It sounds an awful lot like you do subscribe to this belief, which is fine; most Chrstians do. It's misguided, and based on a trained aversion to and misrepresentations of Judaism.
Apparently, even the writers of the gospels portray your messiah as seeing the validity of the Rabbinic tradition and Oral Torah (Matthew 23:2-5).
Which works out quite well for all concerned since Gentiles do not accept Oral Law
and there fore would have no need to observe shabbas as Jews do
Some despise all things Greeek/Roman. They think that the Judaic terms are inherrently better because anything Greek/Roman MUST be influenced by paganism somehow... right?
*rolls eyes*
I guess it is like in California - everything is in Spanish. People don't want to give up their native language and heritage.
Can you imagine in a non messianic synagogue having to read your Torah portion in Greek?
Anisavta, you're using the wrong example. A few examples of terms where I've seen Messianics artificially employ a Hebraic word/phrase instead of the original Greek/Roman/English word.
Jsus = Yshua
Hly Spirit = Ruach HaKodesh
New Testament = Brit Chadasha
Paul = Rav Sha'ul
Why do Messianics use these terms instead of the original, which might prevent confusion?
Greetings ContraMundum,
Here is a quote from Wikipedia on your belief system:
Arguably, the most influential of them has been Article VI on the sufficiency of Scripture, which states that Scripture containeth all things necessary to salvation: so that whatsoever is not read therein, nor may be proved thereby, is not to be required of any man, that it should be believed as an article of the Faith, or be thought requisite or necessary to salvation.
Where ever Scripture is mentioned as follows:
Until I come, give attention to reading of Scripture, to encouragement, to teaching.
(1Ti 4:13 The Scriptures 1998+)
But you, stay in what you have learned and trusted, having known from whom you have learned, and that from a babe you have known the Set-apart Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for deliverance through belief in Messiah יהושע. All Scripture is breathed by Elohim and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for setting straight, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of Elohim might be fitted, equipped for every good work.
(2Ti 3:14-17 The Scriptures 1998+)
Tell me what this is refering to? Then I will tell you were much of the teachings you hold on to come from.
That's just the thing, you've got it backwards. Gentiles are trying to replace their heritage with another, attempting to emulate Jews. If your statement were reflective of reality, then Gentiles would not want to give up their Grecko/Roman expression of faith. Instead, we see in MJ'ism this explicit need or desire to cast off anything relating to Grecko/Roman terminology, as if "Jewish/Hebrew" makes it inherrently better.
Do Episcopalians use Latin in their liturgy? I know Catholics do. Is that different since no one knows Latin anymore?
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