Quran!

new_manII · Jul 7, 2004

Hello everyone,

Can any muslim tell us what is the meaning of the word "Quran" ?

Thanks
nmII

the simpered · Jul 7, 2004

hi

Quran means "The Reading" in arabic literally

new_manII · Jul 7, 2004

Hello Simpered

thanks for your post, but can you tell me your source?

you can put it in arabic if you want acompanied with a translation. I understand arabic, but for others who don't know it.

thanks

nmII

Mephster · Jul 7, 2004

new_manII said:
I understand arabic, but for others who don't know it.

thanks

nmII

Am I missing something? It seems like you already know what it means?

new_manII · Jul 7, 2004

Hello Meph.
I am talking about Simpered's source of his claim. I said, he can put it [the source] in arabic + a translation. I know arabic, others don't.

So,You didn't tell me what does the word "Quran" mean?
thanks
nmII

Noor Saffiyah · Jul 8, 2004

New man,

Please feel free to ask an Imam in your local area. I am sure that you can find one. I won't answer your question for you. I am tired of the 'bait a Muslim' tactics that have been going on here lately.

Sorry.

Takbir!!

new_manII · Jul 8, 2004

Hello Noor Saddiyah
I am asking about the word "Quran" not the "Quran" as a book. Do you know what does it mean? a Muslim said it means "The Reading", and I asked him about his sources.

What I knew about the word Quran means Explanation or Interpretation.
Is that right?

Please, feel free not to comment, when you are tired.
love,
nmII

Blue-Rose · Jul 8, 2004

Hi nmII
dont know what differnce would it make to find the meaning of the word Quran it self , but as my brother said the word Quran comes from reading (in arabic ofcourse )
and as you wanted here it is in arabic
تسمية القرآن :

القرآن اسم يطلق على كلام الله عز وجل المنزَّل على خاتم الأنبياء محمد ( صلى الله عليه و آله ) خاصة ، و لا يسمى بذلك غيره ، و هو اسم لمجموع ما هو موجود بين الدفتين و المشتمل على مئة و أربع عشرة سورة ، أولها سورة الحمد و آخرها سورة الناس ، و في الحديث المَروِي عن الإمام جعفر بن محمد الصادق ( عليه السَّلام ) : " .. القرآنُ جملةُ الكتاب .. " .

و كلمة " قرآن " مُصْطَلَحٌ إسلامي و حقيقةٌ شرعية إستُعمِلت في كل من القرآن الكريم و الحديث النبوي الشريف بالمعنى الذي ذكرناه .

لكن يصح إطلاق " قرآن " على جميع القرآن الكريم و على السورة أو الآية الواحدة و حتى على بعض الآية .

هذا و إن معنى القرآن في الأصل هو القراءة ، قال العلامة الطبرسي ( قدَّس الله نفسه الزَّكية ) : القرآن : معناه القراءة في الأصل ، و هو مصدرُ قرأتُ ، أي تَلَوْتُ ، و هو المَرْوِي عن إبن عباس ، و قيل هو مصدرُ قرأتُ الشيء ، أي جَمَعْتُ بعضهُ إلى بعض .

مجمع البيان : 1 / 14 .

في العربية فكلمة "قرآن" تعني قمة القراءة وسناها. فهي القراءة الكاملة المطلقة. وأصل كلمة "القرآن" هو "القراءة". وفي كلمة "القراءة" مشترك لغوي ، أي أن الكلمة نفسها تعني أكثر من معنى واحد. فمن معانيها "الإعراب عن الشيء" أي فهم نص وتوضيح وتبيين ما خفي منه ولزمت الحاجة إلى توضيحه وتبيينه.

hope that answered your question and if you want more i can get you any time

Subduer · Jul 8, 2004

new_manII said:
What I knew about the word Quran means Explanation or Interpretation.
Is that right?nmII

Here is the answer .

It is wrong to say that Quran means Explanation or Interpretation .

Quran means THE WORDS OF ALLAH .

سؤال : ماذا تعني كلمة " القرآن " ؟
جواب : القرآن هو كلام الله العزيز و النص الإلهي المنَّزل بواسطة الوحي على رسول الإسلام و خاتم النبيين محمد بن عبد الله ( صلى الله عليه و آله ) بلغة العرب . و هو المعجزة الإلهية الخالدة التي زوَّد الله تعالى بها رسوله المصطفى ( صلى الله عليه و آله ) ، و هو الميراث الإلهي العظيم و المصدر الأول للعقيدة و الشريعة الإسلاميتين ، و الذي لا يُعْدَلُ عنه إلى غيره من المصادر .

تسمية القرآن :

و القرآن اسم يطلق على كلام الله عز وجل المنزَّل على خاتم الأنبياء محمد ( صلى الله عليه و آله ) خاصة ، و لا يسمى بذلك غيره .

{ اقرأ باسم ربك الذي خلق } ( سورة العلق 1
وهكذا كانت بداية نزول القرآن الكريم ليمارس مهمته في الكون هي باسم الله .. ونحن الآن نقرأ القرآن بادئين نفس البداية. ولكن هل نحن مطالبون أن نبدأ فقط تلاوة القرآن باسم الله؟ .. كلا .. إننا مطالبون أن نبدأ كل عمل باسم الله؛ لأننا لابد أن نحترم عطاء الله في كونه.

new_manII · Jul 9, 2004

Hello Subduer
thanks for your answer.
I have a question, you said that Quran means the words of Allah given to Muhamed.
so when the Qruan mentioned the word quran in the Quran, did the arab knew what does it mean? or they didn't know it?
In other words, did they know and use the word Quran BEFORE Allah gives his words to Muhamed or not?
Thanks
nmII

new_manII · Jul 10, 2004

still waiting for an answer
thanks

Subduer · Jul 10, 2004

new_manII said:
Hello Subduer
thanks for your answer. I have a question, you said that Quran means the words of Allah given to Muhamed. so when the Qruan mentioned the word quran in the Quran, did the arab knew what does it mean? or they didn't know it? In other words, did they know and use the word Quran BEFORE Allah gives his words to Muhamed or not? Thanks
nmII

Hello new_manII & Salaam .
you asked :
1- did the arab knew what does it mean? or they didn't know it?
2- did they know and use the word Quran BEFORE ?

The answer :
1+ 2 : the arab knew what does the word Quran mean , and they used this word to express about these words of Allah .
they said " we heard an Amazing Quran " , so they call it in the same name to express about Allah words only , and they didnot use this word before that .and they observed that the words of GOD were unlike anything they had heard of before...
so, they knew its meaning ,and they didnot use this word before .

they knew Quran is the true words of God that He gave to us through His prophet Muhammed. God expects us to believe in His book and his words. and that The Quraan is the final revealed Book that contains the message of guidance from Allah for all humankind.

new_manII · Jul 10, 2004

Hello Subduer,

they said " we heard an Amazing Quran "

These were the words of "the jinnies" not the arabs. correct me if i am wrong.

the arab knew what does the word Quran mean , and they used this word to express about these words of Allah

I am asking about before Muhmad, did they know what does the word Quran means?
you said:

they didnot use this word before that

so, how could they know its meaning?
let's say, "hakona-matata" do you know what does it mean?
let's say In Hakona-matata, it's written that , "I say unto you, this hakona-matata is the read hakona-matata, and if you are in doubt about that, bring your hakona-matata infront of me..."
what do you say?do you understand what does the statment mean?
I think that the word Quran, arabs knew before muhmaed's cliam to be a prophet.
and that Quran doesn't mean words of Allah. and I think that It's not an Arabic word in its origin&roots. May be Aramic or Hebrew. with the meaning of Explanation or Interpretation. may be!

waiting for your reponse.
love,
nmII

Subduer · Jul 10, 2004

new_manII said:
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Hello Subduer, These were the words of "the jinnies" not the arabs. correct me if i am wrong.

I am asking about before Muhmad, did they know what does the word Quran means? you said:so, how could they know its meaning? I think that the word Quran, arabs knew before muhmaed's cliam to be a prophet. and that Quran doesn't mean words of Allah. and I think that It's not an Arabic word in its origin&roots. May be Aramic or Hebrew. with the meaning of Explanation or Interpretation. may be! waiting for your reponse.

Again ........
It is wrong to say that Quran means Explanation or Interpretation .
Quran means THE WORDS OF ALLAH .
there is a clear difference betwwen quran and explanations , quran is words of Godm explanations are not ... also we can translate explanations to any langauage - these explanatios are words of people - but we cannot translate quran itself to any language .

About your writing i say :
Yes ," we heard an Amazing Quran " Those were the words of "the jinnies" , as mentioned in the quran itself. but also the arab people said the same .
Again ..............
i say : they said about quran as follows :
عندما مر الوليد بن المغيرة بالنبي صلى الله عليه وسلم وهو يقرأ القرآن فأتى قومه يقول (والله لقد سمعت من محمد كلاماً كلاما " saying 'ما هو من كلام الانس ولا من كلام الجن , ان له لحلاوة وان عليه لطلاوة وان اعلاه لمثمر وان اسفله لمغدق وانه ليعلو ولا يعلى عليه.).
that means clearly that arabs didnot know the word Quran before prophet told them its meaning " words of God " .... because they were calling Quran before that ... sayings . that also means that if they knew that word before they would say it " its name " and not say ...sayings .

so after that they were saying about God words Quran , and stopped to say ... sayings .
(واذا تتلى عليه آياتنا بينات قال الذين لا يرجون لقاءنا ائت بقرآن غير هذا او بدله قل ما يكون لي ان ابدله من تلقاء نفسي ان اتبع الا ما يوحى اليّ (يونس 51)
About your all other wrong thoughts when you said : """"" I think that the word Quran, arabs knew before muhmaed's cliam to be a prophet. and that Quran doesn't mean words of Allah. and I think that It's not an Arabic word in its origin&roots. May be Aramic or Hebrew. with the meaning of Explanation or Interpretation.""""""""""""""

All of these thoughts are wrong completely ....because :
1- Quran means words of Allah , and there isnot any other saying opposit to this saying . it is generally accepted between all islam scientists and studies .

2- Quran is an Arabic word , as you were told that before , and its origin & roots in language is from the Arabic word READ "READIND ".
(ولا تعجل بالقرآن (طه 114) (لا تحرك به لسانك لتعجل به ان علينا جمعه وقرآنه) (القيامة 16 ـ 17).
3- Quran is words of God himself ............... and no one can call it Explanation or Interpretation- as you did - because Quran is not the same as the bible ,,and the talmoud which jews claimed that talmoud is the explanation of torat " bible"
4- i am really amazed from your wrong saying that Quran means Explanation or Interpretation ........... ,how and why to say that !!!!!!!!! Explanation or Interpretation of what !!!!!!!! of nothing >>>>>>>>>>>> Quran is not related by any thing was before it ,,,,,,,,,so why and how you say that is its meaning ...
and what is more amazing is your wrong saying that it May be Aramic or Hebrew............ because this is nonsense ......... quran in its name and contain is put in Arabic language and Arabic words ONLY ......

With my greetings

new_manII · Jul 11, 2004

hello subduer
Can you translate this?

(لا تحرك به لسانك لتعجل به ان علينا جمعه وقرآنه) (القيامة 16 ـ 17).

Don't move your tonuge quickly to say it, for it's Us [Allah] who will collect it and .... [read it - explain it] ??

That means clearly that arabs didnot know the word Quran before prophet told them its meaning " words of God " .... because they were calling Quran before that ... sayings .

that also means that if they knew that word before they would say it " its name " and not say ...sayings

Dear, you said they didn't know what does the word Quran means till Allah revealed his words to Muhmed. And you claim that the word Quran is an Arabic word! but they didn't know it till Muhamed reavealed its meaning to them??
1- how come that the word Quran is an arabic word and at the same time Arab didn't know it?
2- Where & When did Muhmaed explain the meaning of the word Quran to them?
3- How can Quran use *unknown words* that Arabs didn't know, and yet it claims to be in a "Plain & Clear & Understandable" Arabic?

quran in its name and contain is put in Arabic language and Arabic words ONLY

This is a *dangerous* claim my friend, do you realy know what you are talking about?

thanks
nmII

new_manII · Jul 18, 2004

still waiting for an answer please.
thanks
nmII

PurelyIslam · Jul 20, 2004

Hey Newman

Excuse me but I think you are purposely trying to evade the very clear answer given by brother subduerhe has clearly stated that the Quran as a name that refers to the BOOK of God was not known to the Arabs only after the Holy Verses of the Quran were revealed to Prophet Muhammad pbuh He did not tell you the word Quran is not an Arabic word, or that arabs didnt know it. plz read what he wrote again i dont think its that difficult to comprehend...

TC..

Purely..

new_manII · Jul 25, 2004

hello PI
Your muslim brother said that Quran means "words of Allah to Muhamed".

1 - Quran is Words of Allah to Muhamed
2 - Before Quran there was no Quran.
3 - Since there's no quran before Quran, no one knew what does the word Quran mean. am I right?
or Arabs were usinig the word Quran before Allah tells his words to Muahmed?? in this case, i am asking, what does it mean to them before Muhamed got Allah's words?

and please, can you answer this?

Can you translate this?

(لا تحرك به لسانك لتعجل به ان علينا جمعه وقرآنه) (القيامة 16 ـ 17).

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Don't move your tonuge quickly to say it, for it's Us [Allah] who will collect it and .... [read it - explain it] ??

thanks
nmII

new_manII · Jul 30, 2004

up for an answer....

Arthra · Jul 30, 2004

Qur'an was revealed over several years through Prophet Muhammad

"It is We Who have sent down the Qur'an to you in stages." Surih 76:23

and the references to Qur'an in the Surahs (see 25:32 and 76:23) mean the Revelation revealed up to that point as the Revealtion was continuously chanted and recited by the companions and others regularly.

There were also secretaries who also wrote the Revealed Word on whatever they had available and these eventually were gathered together with the oral tradition and were compiled as the Qur'an we have today.

According to "A Dictionary of Islam" the word Qur'an is derived from the Arabic "Qara" which occurs at the beginning of Surih 95 which is said to have been the first Surih revealed to Prophet Muhammad and has the same meaning as the Hebrew word "kara" "to read" or "recite"... - p. 483

so the word Qur'an refers to the recitations or Revelations received by the Holy Prophet.

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