Quotes that get you thinking ......

[cygnusx1]

"The insinuation here is that Arminian theology does supply this resource. But it does nothing of the kind. Arminian love is broad because Arminian love is shallow. The God of Calvin is a lifeguard who plunges into the rip currents to save a drowning swimmer and brings him ashore. The God of Wesley is a distraught girlfriend who stands on the beach, jumping up and down, shrieking and shouting, weeping and waiving her arms as her boyfriend sinks under the waves. "

http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2004/08/calvin-or-wesley-2.html

 

[nill]

This is only from the forward to the second edition of The Sovereignty of God, and I see our brothers and sisters here are quite fond of quoting from A.W. Pink!

Two things are beyond dispute: God is sovereign, and man is a responsible creature. But in this book we are treating of the Sovereignty of God, and while the responsibility of man is readily owned, yet, we do not pause on every page to insist on it; instead, we have sought to stress that side of the Truth which in these days is almost universally neglected. Probably 95 per cent. of the religious literature of the day is devoted to a setting forth of the duties and obligations of men. The fact is that those who undertake to expound the Responsibility of man are the very ones who have lost ‘the balance of Truth’ by ignoring, very largely, the Sovereignty of God. It is perfectly right to insist on the responsibility of man, but what of God ? — has He no claims, no rights! A hundred such works as this are needed, ten thousand sermons would have to be preached throughout the land on this subject, if the ‘balance of Truth’ is to be regained. The ‘balance of Truth’ has been lost, lost through a disproportionate emphasis being thrown on the human side, to the minimizing, if not the exclusion, of the Divine side. We grant that this book is one-sided, for it only pretends to deal with one side of the Truth, and that is, the neglected side, the Divine side. Furthermore, the question might be raised: Which is the more to be deplored — an over emphasizing of the human side and an insufficient emphasis on the Divine side, or, an over emphasizing of the Divine side and an insufficient emphasis on the human side? Surely, if we err at all it is on the right side. Surely, there is far more danger of making too much of man and too little of God, than there is of making too much of God and too little of man. Yea, the question might well be asked, Can we press God’s claims too far? Can we be too extreme in insisting upon the absoluteness and universality of the Sovereignty of God?

 

[nill]

From the Introduction to The Sovereignty of God, by A.W. Pink:

Throughout Christendom, with an almost negligible exception, the theory is held that man is "a free agent", and therefore, lord of his fortunes and the determiner of his destiny. That Satan is to be blamed for much of the evil which is in the world, is freely affirmed by those who, though having so much to say about "the responsibility of man", often deny their own responsibility, by attributing to the Devil what, in fact, proceeds from their own evil hearts (Mar 7:21-23).

 

[McWilliams]

"Question: How shall we know that we love the reproofs of the Word?
Answer 1: When we desire to sit under a heart-searching ministry. Who cares for medicines that will not work? A godly man does not choose to sit under a ministry that will not work upon his conscience.
Answer 2: When we pray that the Word may meet with our sins. If there is any traitorous lust in our heart, we would have it found out and executed. We do not want sin covered, but cured. We can open our breast to the bullet of the Word and say, 'Lord, smite this sin.'"
THOMAS WATSON
Taken from A Godly Man is a Lover of the Word

 

[McWilliams]

"I am tempted to think that I am now an established Christian,--that I have overcome this or that lust so long,--that I have got into the habit of the opposite grace,--so that there is no fear; I may venture very near the temptation--nearer than other men. This is a lie of Satan. One might as well speak of gunpowder getting by habit of resisting fire, so as not to catch spark. As long as powder is wet, it resists the spark; but when it becomes dry, it is ready to explode at the first touch. As long as the Spirit dwells in my heart, He deadens me to sin, so that, if lawfully called through temptation, I may reckon upon God carrying me through. But when the Spirit leaves me, I am like dry gunpowder. Oh for a sense of this!"
ROBERT M M'CHEYNE

 

[edie19]

God will not hold us responsible to understand the mysteries of election, predestination, and the divine sovereignty. The best and safest way to deal with these truths is to raise our eyes to God and in deepest reverence say, "0 Lord, Thou knowest." Those things belong to the deep and mysterious Profound of God's omniscience. Prying into them may make theologians, but it will never make saints....

A. W. Tozer (1897-1963), The Pursuit of God

 

[Nadiine]

God will not hold us responsible to understand the mysteries of election, predestination, and the divine sovereignty. The best and safest way to deal with these truths is to raise our eyes to God and in deepest reverence say, "0 Lord, Thou knowest." Those things belong to the deep and mysterious Profound of God's omniscience. Prying into them may make theologians, but it will never make saints....

A. W. Tozer (1897-1963), The Pursuit of God

Ed, will you PLEASE quit making sense!! LOL


I agree - Who can fathom it in any fullness or depth?

 

[McWilliams]

JONATHAN EDWARDS
“A little before the end of the world, there shall be a very great apostasy, wherein great part of the world shall fall away from Christ and his church … This apostasy will be most like the apostasy of the devils of any that ever had before been. For the devils apostatized, and turned enemies to Christ, though they enjoyed the light of heaven. And these will apostatize, and turn enemies to him, though they have enjoyed the light and privileges of the glorious times of the church. That such should turn open and avowed enemies to Christ, and should seek the ruin of his church, will cry aloud for such immediate vengeance as was executed on the devils when they fell.” – Jonathan Edwards, History of the Work of Redemption, Period III From Christ’s Resurrection To The End Of The World

 

[McWilliams]

God is sovereign over all things. He ordains (causes to come to pass) all things and circumstances for the magnification of His glory. Seemingly random events, down to the rolling of dice are determined by God not chance (Prov 16:33). God determines the outcome from the very beginning of all things according to his pleasure (Isa 46:10; Eph 1:11). Even the creation of the wicked and events of calamity are of the Lord (Prov 16:4; Isa 45:7). "For from Him, through Him, and to Him are all things" (Rom 11:36). - Christonomy.com

 

[oworm]

"In evangelism, prayer is fundamental, not supplemental!"

 

[Nadiine]

JONATHAN EDWARDS
“A little before the end of the world, there shall be a very great apostasy, wherein great part of the world shall fall away from Christ and his church … This apostasy will be most like the apostasy of the devils of any that ever had before been. For the devils apostatized, and turned enemies to Christ, though they enjoyed the light of heaven. And these will apostatize, and turn enemies to him, though they have enjoyed the light and privileges of the glorious times of the church. That such should turn open and avowed enemies to Christ, and should seek the ruin of his church, will cry aloud for such immediate vengeance as was executed on the devils when they fell.” – Jonathan Edwards, History of the Work of Redemption, Period III From Christ’s Resurrection To The End Of The World

All end-time positions aside, I believe we're in this time right now -
I'm seeing more and more "christians" who are CHANGING the definition of Christianity, changing the God of the Bible (loving a created god instead of the God portrayed in the Bible), removing the foundations of scripture, and turning to the cultural deceptions around them.

I think we're at this point in God's perfect plan.
Nice, timely post

 

[McWilliams]

"Man is never sufficiently touched and affected by the awareness of his lowly state until he has compared himself with God's majesty" [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]- John Calvin [/FONT]

 

[cygnusx1]

It's elementary, my dear Watson

by Ken Ham, President, AiG-US
28 April 2003
Imagine if Sherlock Holmes and Dr Watson had a conversation like this:

‘It’s elementary, my dear Watson. There is no God and life was not created. The god hypothesis is rather discredited.’
‘Yes, Holmes, such religious beliefs are just myths from the past … Every time you understand something, religion becomes less likely … Only with the discovery of the double helix and the ensuing genetic revolution have we had grounds for thinking that the powers held traditionally to be the exclusive property of the gods might one day be ours … ,’ said Dr Watson.
​

The above statements were made recently by a real Dr Watson and his former research colleague, Dr Crick, in a London Daily Telegraph (UK) report.
These two ardent atheists are being honored this year on the 50th anniversary of their discovery of the double helix structure of the molecule of heredity, DNA.
The newspaper report states, ‘The two scientists who discovered the structure of DNA in Cambridge 50 years ago have used the anniversary to mount an attack on religion.’
Without doubt, their discovery was a milestone in biochemistry and genetics. But sadly, these two scientists’ disdain for the Bible and creation is reflected in the commemorative displays and paraphernalia associated with this anniversary.
The Science Centre in London (located right beside the famous Natural History Museum) has a display of Watson and Crick’s original DNA model, as well as an exhibit to teach the thousands of students who visit daily about DNA, genes, etc. I visited this display during my recent speaking tour.
It was so sad, in fact distressing, to watch thousands of young and impressionable students read such statements as:

‘Some of us think that we humans have a special place in the animal kingdom. However, the human genome is similar to a chimpanzee’s, and has a lot in common with the genome of a fruit fly.’
​

In other words, humans are really no different to a chimp or a fruit fly. After all, from an evolutionary perspective we are all just animals—humans are not special.
Watson and Crick (and most secular scientists today) basically believe that because we now know from DNA that life functions on the basis of the the laws of chemistry and physics, those laws, not a Creator, produced life. However, this is an illogical conclusion.
Noticeably missing from the discussions and exhibits was material concerning the information and code system of which DNA is a part—which creation scientists like Dr Werner Gitt have pointed out—could not arise as a result of mere physical and chemical laws, but had to be produced by an intelligence (the Creator God)—see Q & A: Information Theory.

The UK Post Office even issued five stamps to commemorate this anniversary [see Apes are our brothers—just ask the Post Office]. One of the stamps (see right) pictured a chimp and a man staring at each other—representing the belief that DNA research supposedly shows chimps and humans are closely related.1
As I walked through the Science Centre Exhibits and the Natural History Museum, read the newspaper articles on Watson and Crick and obtained a set of the commemorative stamps, my soul ached to see the AiG Creation Museum up and running so we can be more effective in stemming the tide of atheistic evolutionary humanism sweeping the globe.
I wonder what effect Watson and Crick might have had on the world if they had concluded, ‘It’s elementary, my dear Watson; just as Romans 1:20 states, it’s obvious there is an all-powerful God.’ They sadly didn’t say this, but we can!

http://www.answersingenesis.org/us/newsletters/0503lead.asp

 

[Nadiine]

The Science Centre in London (located right beside the famous Natural History Museum) has a display of Watson and Crick’s original DNA model, as well as an exhibit to teach the thousands of students who visit daily about DNA, genes, etc. I visited this display during my recent speaking tour.

It was so sad, in fact distressing, to watch thousands of young and impressionable students read such statements as:

‘Some of us think that we humans have a special place in the animal kingdom. However, the human genome is similar to a chimpanzee’s, and has a lot in common with the genome of a fruit fly.’

​

In other words, humans are really no different to a chimp or a fruit fly. After all, from an evolutionary perspective we are all just animals—humans are not special.
The UK Post Office even issued five stamps to commemorate this anniversary [see Apes are our brothers—just ask the Post Office]. One of the stamps (see right) pictured a chimp and a man staring at each other—representing the belief that DNA research supposedly shows chimps and humans are closely related.1
I wonder what effect Watson and Crick might have had on the world if they had concluded, ‘It’s elementary, my dear Watson; just as Romans 1:20 states, it’s obvious there is an all-powerful God.’ They sadly didn’t say this, but we can!

http://www.answersingenesis.org/us/newsletters/0503lead.asp

Nice entry here!

But it doesn't surprise me about the UK's promotion of Atheism... it's predominantly Atheistic as alot of Europe is anymore.

As tragic as I know it is, all I can say as a Christian is that it only supports and points to the Bible's prophecies as 'evil waxes worse'.
I'm afraid this is the majority of what we'll be seeing today as God and His word are under full assault.

The world is being set up & primed to accept the coming antichrist and reject truth itself.
But even so, GOD IS IN FULL CONTROL! amen

 

[McWilliams]

As idle talk is often concealed under the garb of jesting, and wit, the Apostle Paul expressly condemns pleasantry, which is so agreeable as to seem a praiseworthy virtue, as a part of foolish talking (Eph. 5:4). —John Calvin

 

[cubanito]

http://www.christianforums.com/t2324906-letter-to-caesarius-from-pope-bonafice-ii.html



Soli Deo Gloria

Jon

The thread is re-opened,FYI

Another quote, actually a forcefull restatement of titus 1:12

This statement is false.
The above statement is true.

So much for unbreakable "logic"

JR

 

[inchristalone221]

This statement is false.
The above statement is true.

So much for unbreakable "logic"

Logic need not justify nonsensical statements. God is a God of reason. He follows the basic laws of logic (or more accurately, the basics laws of logic follow Him, as reflections of His character).