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Forgive me if this quote has been passed around before, the search function on the website doesn't work for me for some reason.

I was wondering what people thought about this quote by St Augustine relating to scripture and interpretation of it. It is from De Genesi ad literam AD 408

Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he hold to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods and on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion.
 

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I agree. Science hasn't yet turned up anything which contradicts Christianity, but if it does, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. Until then, misguided Christians who dispute obvious facts make themselves look foolish, and make Christianity look foolish.
 
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Since evolutionists (which includes most scientists) would prefer to worship their own ideas, which implies believing that everything came from nothing. Rocks turned into human beings and although they have no definite proof for this theory, it's absolutly true. Trying to prove that animals evolved into completly different animals has still proven impossible for them. Let alone that life came from nothing.

So believing that God created the world is always going to clash with this position, is it not?

I've never been a huge fan of Augustine either, I agree partly with what he's saying, in that things that can be OBVIOUSLY proven to disagree with a christians viewpoint, (and they can vary) is fair enough. Proven here being the pivotal word. However arguing with a scientist who 'proves' his theories by stretching or manipulating the truth to fit them doesn't work either.

Can anyone 'prove' that the garden of eden existed? Can anyone 'prove' that Jesus Christ is Gods son intellectually.

They can be no more proven then evolution. Yet an athiest will still laugh at a creationist. Why? Because they want to believe that evolution is true and have already decided that it is proven.
 
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It's not like Augustine tossed the factuality of the creation story out the window. Granted, he called the story metaphorical, but he still believed in the talking snake and generations of brother-sister incest as origins for the human race. He also explicitly declared his belief in a 6000 year-old earth:

"Let us, then, omit the conjectures of men who know not what they say, when they speak of the nature and origin of the human race. For some hold the same opinion regarding men that they hold regarding the world itself, that they have always been... They are deceived, too, by those highly mendacious documents which profess to give the history of many thousand years, though, reckoning by the sacred writings, we find that not 6000 years have yet passed."

- Of the Falseness of the History Which Allots Many Thousand Years to the World’s Past, The City of God, Book 12: Chapt. 10 [AD 419]
 
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Great quote, I agree with him.
As I see it, faith answers the questions of why, science answers those of how. The two complement one another, they are not contradictory. Unfortunately Christians through the ages have feared science and tried to fight it, rather than enjoying the wonderful insights it gives us into God's creation.
 
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