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I know I am not EO but our fasting is similar. I have to take medication every morning with water and My confession father gives me permission, even before recieving Euchrist. We aint spiritually nutty's who dont go to hospitals cause God will heal us and things like that.

My advice would be find one of the priests you trust at the parish and stick to only asking him these questions. THere is nothing wrong with asking other priests about what to do, but if you stick to one main priest he is in a better position to lead and guide you better.
 
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Right now, consider that you are given a pass on any practice such as fasting or any particular prayer unless the priest has told you what to do. If you are curious about a practice and want to give it a try, ask the priest about it.

It would be best to have a regular time to talk to him, or ask when he would prefer you to contact him with such things. He may well say "anytime", but at least you will have asked. Your journey into the faith is a long one.

Even after Baptizm/Chrismation, you will continue to learn and struggle and grow. That is the nature of Orthodoxy. Even a very old Abbot of a monastery will tell you that he is learning how to be a Christian every day. The official "stages" are not as important as what you learn along the way.

I felt extremely at home right away, and the priest felt that we had met somewhere before, though we had not. I went to church at there for about a seven or eight months as an "inquirer", because I had a lot on my plate stress-wise and couldn't give good concentration to catechism. One day after a heartfelt conversation with the Fr. Constantine, he gave me an olive wood cross on a string (a necklace) that was from Jerusalem. He said, "you are now a catechumen...we will formalize it in the future, but for now wear this and pray the Lord's prayer three times a day."

I ended up moving abruptly a few weeks later due to business related problems. I spent the next year and a half visiting a few churches in my area, including settling in as an inquirer/stealth catechumen (as I hadn't discussed the previous situation with my new priest) for a good six months. I finally told Fr Vasile about the previous conversation with Fr Constantine, and that I was ready to actively resume my move toward coming into communion. I felt very Orthodox by that time in my self identity, and that what was left was to "formalize" my learning and come into communion with the Church. I spent about two and a half months, starting a month or so before lent, in very rigorous reading and discussions with Fr Vasile. He prayed the Order of Exorcism (often done just before baptism/chrismation) over me on the first weekend of Lent, and then I was Baptized/Chrismated on Holy Saturday just over a year ago. So it can be a very twisted path, but I never felt pressured to move faster or slower, but to move with the haste which was just right for me. I think that this is how it usually is. As to your husband, I would tell you to continue to love him and be with him, but to also work out your own salvation. I suspect he will be impressed by the serenity he will see growing in you. I said in another thread to heed the advice of St Seraphim of Sarov, "Acquire a peaceful spirit, and around you thousands will be saved."

Wishing you peace, blessings, and many years.
 
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Yes, I consider that a miracle, too. I'm praying for one. Did your husband ever tell you what exactly made him change his mind?



Right on. My meds did fine with no food on my tummy. I was kind of shocked to find that I did as well as I did. I figured I'd be "starving" at the end of the 24 hours. I was not. I considered going longer.
ok no to 24 hour fasts. and you only do a pre-communion fast. the rest is like this--> Online Chapel — Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America

scroll down & you'll see what you can and cannot eat. like wendesday, july 21st is a strict fast. for us, its mostly a vegan diet tommorow... minus the oil. thats what we call a 'strict fast'. we don't starve ourselves or anything like that.

personally... i follow what my kumbara told me: strict fast (no meat, fish, eggs, dairy products, raised bread, olive oil) on wednesdays & fridays so that you can recieve communion on sundays. but you still cant eat 2 hours before bedtime on saturday nights & sunday morning no food until AFTER communion. thats why they have coffee hour after liturgy. although coffee hour food is unhealthy with all the starchy stuff, sweets, and coffee.

i bring a ziploc bag of grapes, granola, and almonds. and a big thing of vitamin water. anyways... you really don't have to worry about this right now since you are still a cathecumen. just keep attending liturgy, bible classes, and orthodoxy 101.
 
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Generally about a year is a normal period for inquiry/catechism prior to baptism and/or chrismation. But much depends on the jurisdiction, the parish, and of course, when the catechumen is really ready. I know of quite a few who spent years before they were ready, and some who spent months. It all depends, but a year is common.
 
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Right now, consider that you are given a pass on any practice such as fasting or any particular prayer unless the priest has told you what to do. If you are curious about a practice and want to give it a try, ask the priest about it.

It would be best to have a regular time to talk to him, or ask when he would prefer you to contact him with such things. He may well say "anytime", but at least you will have asked. Your journey into the faith is a long one.

Even after Baptizm/Chrismation, you will continue to learn and struggle and grow. That is the nature of Orthodoxy. Even a very old Abbot of a monastery will tell you that he is learning how to be a Christian every day. The official "stages" are not as important as what you learn along the way.

I felt extremely at home right away, and the priest felt that we had met somewhere before, though we had not. I went to church at there for about a seven or eight months as an "inquirer", because I had a lot on my plate stress-wise and couldn't give good concentration to catechism. One day after a heartfelt conversation with the Fr. Constantine, he gave me an olive wood cross on a string (a necklace) that was from Jerusalem. He said, "you are now a catechumen...we will formalize it in the future, but for now wear this and pray the Lord's prayer three times a day."

I ended up moving abruptly a few weeks later due to business related problems. I spent the next year and a half visiting a few churches in my area, including settling in as an inquirer/stealth catechumen (as I hadn't discussed the previous situation with my new priest) for a good six months. I finally told Fr Vasile about the previous conversation with Fr Constantine, and that I was ready to actively resume my move toward coming into communion. I felt very Orthodox by that time in my self identity, and that what was left was to "formalize" my learning and come into communion with the Church. I spent about two and a half months, starting a month or so before lent, in very rigorous reading and discussions with Fr Vasile. He prayed the Order of Exorcism (often done just before baptism/chrismation) over me on the first weekend of Lent, and then I was Baptized/Chrismated on Holy Saturday just over a year ago. So it can be a very twisted path, but I never felt pressured to move faster or slower, but to move with the haste which was just right for me. I think that this is how it usually is. As to your husband, I would tell you to continue to love him and be with him, but to also work out your own salvation. I suspect he will be impressed by the serenity he will see growing in you. I said in another thread to heed the advice of St Seraphim of Sarov, "Acquire a peaceful spirit, and around you thousands will be saved."

Wishing you peace, blessings, and many years.

What is the Order of Exorcism? Is it what I think it is? (Casting out demons?)
 
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It is, but not the kind of exorcism you know of from popular culture. It's...I don't know, like a getting rid of any influence the devil might have at you. You renounce the devil and all his works and turn to Christ instead in both words and actions (spitting/breathing (my priest wouldn't let us spit!) on the devil and bowing/kneeling before Christ.

It's not just done for adults either it's done even at infant baptisms. It's nothing to do with individual persons due to their personal actions but more to do with the fallen world which we are born into.

Hopefully this makes sense?
 
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I think that as impatient as I can be, that the best thing for me to do would be to go VERY Slow.....even though I learn at a fast rate. I have made some very impulse decisions in the past regarding every aspect of life, including religion. I have been baptized 4 times in various churches....I have been very doctrinally confused for a long time, and obsessed with the thought of going to hell.

This is the first time I have found a church without the influence of someone else. I prayed and sought this on my own. That says a lot, really. Most of the time, when I have gone to church it's because someone invited me, or convinced me (at the time) that is where I "had to go." This time it's different...and I don't want to tarnish it with impulse decisions. I don't think an impulse decision would be allowed anyways, which I like because they make sure you understand what you are getting into.... a lot of religions suck you in, and then years later you find out what is really going on there. So, I'm just going to take my time, enjoy the church and what I'm learning. And, follow the direction of the 2 priests at my church. Then, when I'm ready I'll know it....and it won't be impulse...and it will last. I really appreciate all of the advice, comments and support I get on here. This forum is truly a blessing. Thank you.
 
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I realize that this probably depends on the individual, but how long does one typically visit an Orthodox Church before becoming a Catachuman?...generally speaking... Also, how long is one typically a Catachuman before being Chrismated?


I spent 2 years as a catechumen. Others I know, spent 6 months, 1 year, 3 years, 5 years. It depends on the priest and on you. Even within the same Church, the length of time people spent as catechumens could vary from 3 months to 5 years. It just depends.
 
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I think that as impatient as I can be, that the best thing for me to do would be to go VERY Slow.....even though I learn at a fast rate. I have made some very impulse decisions in the past regarding every aspect of life, including religion. I have been baptized 4 times in various churches....I have been very doctrinally confused for a long time, and obsessed with the thought of going to hell.

This is the first time I have found a church without the influence of someone else. I prayed and sought this on my own. That says a lot, really. Most of the time, when I have gone to church it's because someone invited me, or convinced me (at the time) that is where I "had to go." This time it's different...and I don't want to tarnish it with impulse decisions. I don't think an impulse decision would be allowed anyways, which I like because they make sure you understand what you are getting into.... a lot of religions suck you in, and then years later you find out what is really going on there. So, I'm just going to take my time, enjoy the church and what I'm learning. And, follow the direction of the 2 priests at my church. Then, when I'm ready I'll know it....and it won't be impulse...and it will last. I really appreciate all of the advice, comments and support I get on here. This forum is truly a blessing. Thank you.

This sounds very sensible. Try to take it slow - you don't win bonus points for trying to do everything right away. Pray, fast, read books etc only with the guidance of your priest - especially books and websites. Not everything that says that it's Orthodox is, and even that which is Orthodox is not always beneficial to everyone at every stage of their lives. Take it slowly, go to Church, talk to the priests (and their wives - presvyteras/matushkas/etc are great for helping you understand the daily life bits of Orthodoxy) and enjoy the journey :)

For the record, I was baptised 10 months, roughly, after first attending Church, but I was a catechumen for 8 of those and had done a lot of study prior to coming to Church...also, I didn't actually have any sort of life or work commitments (was very very sick and spent my days at home in bed or on the couch) so I had plenty of time to study and learn and pray, and I think that helped. I definitely know I was a better Christian when I was sick lol, nothing like everyday life to cause distractions.

I've seen catechumens baptised after 3 months and after a year...it's so much dependent on the individual.
 
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I think that as impatient as I can be, that the best thing for me to do would be to go VERY Slow.....even though I learn at a fast rate.

Yes, please take it slow. The Christian life is referred to as a race but it has nothing to do with speed. A long inquiry and/or catechumenate would also give your husband time to really see what you becoming Orthodox will mean for your family. Orthodox practice changes aspects of your life that you may not have considered or experienced as yet.

I also want to echo what others have said about fasting. Follow your priest's advice and no one else's. Don't even practice at it without your priest's knowledge and consent. Also, know that it takes years to really learn how to fast. It is not just about what food you eat or don't eat.

M.
 
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With a lot of priests, you will have to go for about a year before you are baptised or chrismated. A lot of them will make you a catechumen as soon as you think you want to be Orthodox or ask to become a catechumen, others don't actually make you one until the very service where you're baptised or chrismated. Being a catechumen isn't a very big commitment, but you shouldn't ask to be one until you're seriously considering becoming Orthodox and are willing to at least endure catechism, though you are not required to be certain of converting or commit to it at all. The proper verb, by the way, to describe becoming a catechumen is "enroll". You are "enrolled in the catechumenate" when you become a "catechumen". Also, note the relation between "catechumen" and "catechism". Not an accident. Hope that helps.
 
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Usually you'll want to talk to the Priest. Probably you will want to wait a few weeks (maybe months?) and then tell him your interested in becoming a Catechumen. Then you will have a service done usually before a Liturgy. This service will "make you" a catechumen. Then you will probably have to go through a full Liturgical cycle (1 year usually) before you are baptized and/or chrismated.
 
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For the record, I was baptised 10 months, roughly, after first attending Church, but I was a catechumen for 8 of those and had done a lot of study prior to coming to Church...also, I didn't actually have any sort of life or work commitments (was very very sick and spent my days at home in bed or on the couch) so I had plenty of time to study and learn and pray, and I think that helped. I definitely know I was a better Christian when I was sick lol, nothing like everyday life to cause distractions.

I've seen catechumens baptised after 3 months and after a year...it's so much dependent on the individual.

The only commitments I have are at home with my family. I don't have a job. I have health problems, too. Lately, most days are spent in the recliner (where I draw, and read....alot). So, I have a lot of time to dedicate to church.

Yes, please take it slow. The Christian life is referred to as a race but it has nothing to do with speed. A long inquiry and/or catechumenate would also give your husband time to really see what you becoming Orthodox will mean for your family. Orthodox practice changes aspects of your life that you may not have considered or experienced as yet.

I also want to echo what others have said about fasting. Follow your priest's advice and no one else's. Don't even practice at it without your priest's knowledge and consent. Also, know that it takes years to really learn how to fast. It is not just about what food you eat or don't eat.

M.

Yeah, even if I become a catechuman soon, I'll still take it slow. I got a nice email today from one of the priests saying that if and when I'm ready, I can start catechism studies....I had asked the other priest how it worked and what it consisted of, and he passed my inquiry on. So, I'm going to consider it, and talk to hubby about it.

When I fasted, it was a couple days before I went to the Orthodox Church for the first time. I won't do it again without the priest's blessing.
 
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What is the Order of Exorcism? Is it what I think it is? (Casting out demons?)

Remember at the Baptism scene in The Godfather, where the Priest asks "Do you renounce satan,,," ? Same concept, except the Orthodox do it out in the "lobby" & with a bit more style, ;)
 
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Remember at the Baptism scene in The Godfather, where the Priest asks "Do you renounce satan,,," ? Same concept, except the Orthodox do it out in the "lobby" & with a bit more style, ;)

And immediately after that renunciation, the movie flashed to a scene of the guy's henchmen killing all of his enemies. ;)
 
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Remember at the Baptism scene in The Godfather, where the Priest asks "Do you renounce satan,,," ? Same concept, except the Orthodox do it out in the "lobby" & with a bit more style, ;)

And immediately after that renunciation, the movie flashed to a scene of the guy's henchmen killing all of his enemies. ;)

I'm probably the only person on this planet that has never seen The Godfather :sorry:
 
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