Quick Mormon Question

Nossa-the-Lame said:

Ok, not sure if this is the right forum to post this at, but from what I have heard and seen here, it looks like it. I am not here to bash, nor to start a long thread about who's right or wrong, I just got a quick question or two about mormonism, which I am curious about. So please any mormons who like answering, please do without fear, I am not here to bash

I just want to know, how come you guys have Missionaries? Is it required, or voluntary? If you don't do it, is it frowned upon? I just wana know a little bit more about this.

God Bless!

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God has commanded all of His people to spread His word and let all mankind know of Him and His gospel. It is not required of an individual, but it is requred of the Church.


God Bless,
Emerald Dragon

Lifesaver said:

Let's all Christians pray for the conversion of all Mormons to the only true Church of Jesus Christ, that founded by Him on the Rock, which He promised the gates of Hell would not prevail against, and outside of which there is no salvation.

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Hey-Your prayer worked! I have joined His only True Church upon the face of this earth. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is that Church. Christ is its head, and I follow no other.

God Bless,
Emerald Dragon

(sorry) I just had to, it was an opportunity too good to pass up.

God Bless,
Emerald Dragon

You seem a very upbeat person, Nossa-the-Lame. keep that throughout your life. You'll need it.

God Bless,
Emerald Dragon

emerald Dragon said:

Hey-Your prayer worked! I have joined His only True Church upon the face of this earth. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is that Church. Christ is its head, and I follow no other.

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The true Church of God is with mankind ever since the time of Jesus Christ; it was not invented in the XIX century by an American crook.

Plus, never would the true Church of Jesus Christ mandate polygamy as a requirement for "exaltation" (and man is this doctrine also particularly un-Christian) nor would it officially preach racism.

And least of all would it change its moral code based on the mandates of the American government.

You have been fooled, Emerald, and God has nothing to do with it.

Lifesaver said:

The One, Only, Catholic and Apostolic Church. The one created by God...

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Do you mean the one where saints are worshiped and prayed to?

markie said:

Do you mean the one where saints are worshiped and prayed to?

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No. No saint has ever been worshipped in Catholicism. That would be a great sin, and since the Church is sinless, all forms of idolatry are forbidden.

Of course, the saints are prayed to, and reverenced, and respected, for they have lived holy lives, in accordance with God's will, and their prayers are very powerful (as tells us St. James in his letter; though I suspect you are one of those who disregards the epistle of James...).
All through the Old Testament people prostrate themselves before those who were more respectable and superior. It is also accounted that there were many images in the Jewish temple.

If someone told you that in Catholicism saints are worshipped, they lied to you (or were very very ignorant; always a possibility). Flee from the lies.

Clement of Rome

Around the AD 90’s there were some problems at the church of Corinth. Clement, the leader of the church of Rome took it upon himself to restore order. This appears to be the beginning of the apostate church.

Because of this, Christians began to treat the church of Rome with great respect towards the end of the second century. Since the church of Rome appeared to have such great power. In 175 AD Irenaeus, said that everyone had to agree with the church of Rome. He claimed this on the basis that the church of Rome was founded by Christ.

Roman Catholic Leadership

By the time of Irenaeus, the Bishops had become the leader of the local church. The bishops became had a lot of political and church power and started to rule the other churches. They clamed this on the basis of Apostolic succession.

The Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church states "In order that the full and living gospel might always be preserved in the church the Apostles left Bishops as their successors. They gave them their own position of teaching authority." Around the second century, "priests" were starting to reappear in Christianity.

Around AD 313, Christianity merged with the Roman Empire. Jesus is no longer the head of the church. Shortly after this merger, the Roman Catholic Church starts persecuting churches and Christians who refuse this merger.

For more information, go to http://www.christianstudycenter.com/religions/catholic.htm

Lifesaver-

If I have been fooled, then God has fooled me, for it is He who lead me to His church. The moral mandates of the church have never changed for the government. In reference to polygamy, it was a revelation that realeased the church from following that practice, not the laws of the land.

God Bless,
Emerald Dragon

Ah, it seems that JBucky, who had resolved not to reply anymore, changed his mind and came back.
Of course, he didn't answer any of my points that prove beyond all doubt, from Bible and History, that it is impossible for there to have been an apostasy in the Christian Church, and that the Catholic Church is that Church.

Now he comes with a link, one single website, which claims to have authoritative historical knowledge. Let's analyze it.

Needless to be pointed out, but still useful to, is that the website offered as a source is in no way Mormon. Quite on the contrary, it preaches a kind of fundamentalist Bible-only Christianity, has such papers as "how to identify a cult" and this little piece on Mormonism, where they say, I quote: The Mormon religion is not a Christian denomination and is considered to be a cult by most mainstream Christian sects.

This website has some very questionable history-telling as well, since they state that Iraeneus was against the early Church Fathers, when we have conclusive historical evidence that the continued the work of the Apostles and the early Church Fathers (like Polycarp, who had been a friend of St. John). I have, on my previous post, quoted Irenaeus asserting the continuous Apostolicity of the Church, and now you come giving me a website which, without ANY REFERENCE, claims he "restored" anything.
Anyway, the site is clearly anti-Mormon in this respect, and they believe many churches to be valid which Mormons call apostate.

But it is no big surprise that a Mormon would go to an anti-Mormon source for help against the Catholic Church. Afterall, it is no big deal for erroneous sects to make compromises with each other, so that they may fight against the absolute Truth more strongly. Who'd ever guess that, in their battle against the true Church of Christ, Mormons and Bible-alone fundamentalists would become allies?

About the site's paper on the Apostolic succession, and how it was broken, it's ONLY source is the Encyclopedia Britannica, and in some quotes which don't even mention any form of apostasy or lack of continuity.
They just put in some quotes from the EB to be able to claim, at the end of their false paper, that they had reliable sources.

JBucky, if you are interested in an honest discussion, you'll read my reply and answer it, and not try to pass on these shameles sites which are even against your own religion to try to slur mine.

emerald Dragon said:

If I have been fooled, then God has fooled me, for it is He who lead me to His church. The moral mandates of the church have never changed for the government. In reference to polygamy, it was a revelation that realeased the church from following that practice, not the laws of the land.

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Yes, sure, it's just that God changes His mind at about the American governmnet makes theirs...

Emerald Dragon, why do you suppose it was God who led you to the LDS Church? Is it a feeling you have felt and feel?

Lifesaver, have you ever felt the presence of God, the presence of His spirit? Can you descibe that to me? Or is it beyond description, because it is the pure love and light of God? That is what I "felt." Nothing else can explain it. I truly know that it was God who revelaed the Truthfullness of His Church to me. Nothing else can explain it.

As a note-let's leave off the insulting and degrading of other churches. I am mostly sending this note to those who are attacking the Catholic Church. I think it's an LDS who is doing it, and they should realize that the Church does not condone that. We are to accept other religions, as they all have part of the Truth in them, and are still subject to the light of God.

God Bless,
Emerald Dragon

emerald Dragon said:

Lifesaver, have you ever felt the presence of God, the presence of His spirit? Can you descibe that to me? Or is it beyond description, because it is the pure love and light of God? That is what I "felt." Nothing else can explain it. I truly know that it was God who revelaed the Truthfullness of His Church to me. Nothing else can explain it.

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But do you think you are the only person to have experienced these feelings?
On this very message board a Pagan member has told me the exact same thing, that her experience with God were feelings of His presence without any possible way to describe them with words.
Can God be leading people to many different religions, as different as Mormonism, fundamentalism and Wicca?

I believe that God will send us all on a path that will eventually send us to His Truth. I believe that God also influenced some people throughout history, such as Martin Luther, and Muhamend (pardon spelling).He does all things to help us. We must find a path that will help us get back to Him. He provides many ways, but they all lead to the same destination. Part of that journey is to find His Truth and His Church.

God Bless,
Emerald Dragon

emerald Dragon said:

I believe that God will send us all on a path that will eventually send us to His Truth. I believe that God also influenced some people throughout history, such as Martin Luther, and Muhamend (pardon spelling).He does all things to help us. We must find a path that will help us get back to Him. He provides many ways, but they all lead to the same destination. Part of that journey is to find His Truth and His Church.

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So Islam, even though they deny Jesus Christ as God and saviour, is part of God's Church, in your belief?

emerald Dragon said:

I believe that God will send us all on a path that will eventually send us to His Truth. I believe that God also influenced some people throughout history, such as Martin Luther, and Muhamend (pardon spelling).He does all things to help us. We must find a path that will help us get back to Him. He provides many ways, but they all lead to the same destination. Part of that journey is to find His Truth and His Church.

God Bless,
Emerald Dragon

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You know ED, Ive been thinking about what you posted, and perhaps your right. God could be using the LDS religion to make his point that he is not in a temple made with hands. Once they understand what nonsense goes on in there, they get out of that religion.( many do)
This is one reason why God has suffered the LDS religion to survive.

So yes, God does work in mysterious ways.