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Heinrich

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MorphRC said:
Can they or Not?

And Catholicism can trace there start from the Jews.

I really don't believe this proves much. And in anyway the Jews was some thousands of years old by the time Jesus came and He wasn't to pleased with the state of them and said lotsa things against the scribes and pharisees.

"The way to life is narrow and few will find it"
 
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Heinrich said:
Yes muslims also come from catholicism.. those guys did a great job of informing muhammed (or whatever his name was) about christianity. :)
Actually Islam comes from a mish-mash of Judaism and heretical forms of Christianity. In its practice, Islam is far more similar to 1st century Judaism than christianity.

Protestantism, however, has produced vast amounts of division, with thousands of break-away "denominations" all teaching different things, as opposed to the one truth of Apostolic Catholicism.

Protestantism has also spawned countless non-trinitarian-Christian groups and sects, such as the Mormons, the Jehovahs Witnesses, the Moonies and the Unitarians.

The thing is those disagreement's are NEVER simple.
And most of the time it has todo with the way in which the bible is interpreted.. and interpretation has todo with human knowledge of the bible ect. most of the time.
Exactly. This is why the notion of having scripture as the only authority for our Faith has produced so many protestant groups, all with different doctrines. If you read your bible you will see that Jesus gave His teaching authority to a living Church, headed by Peter and the Apostles.

Matthew 16:18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

Regardless of who is right and who is wrong the mere fact that a shredding occurs speaks of the humanness of the church and the fact that it is not perfect on either side.
But the thing is that Jesus promised that the Church would hold to the truth when He said "the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it."

He also promised that He would remain with the Church always, and that the Church that He founded should make disciples of all nations;
Matthew 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had appointed for them. 17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted. 18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."

In other words Jesus was founding a Church that He would be with always, and that would be guided in truth by the Holy Spirit. The Church, as we see from Acts and the letters, was governed by Bishops, appointed by the Apostles.

Would there be people who separated from this Church? Yes. We see in Acts and the letters of the Apostles that this was already happening.

Are the people who separated of equal esteem with the Church? No.

Matthew 18.17: "If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church, and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax-collector."
 
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