Questions

[riverhooks]

What is the second ordinance mentioned other than the Lords Supper done in remembrance ?

Is repentance from dead works considered producing works meet for repentance ?

Is repentance necessary for salvation ? Is repentance considered as living works in that faith without works is considered dead. ?

I read a Baptist post that salvation has nothing to do with works. Is this an irresitable grace thing ? Jesus said , all that the Father gives me shall come to me and Him that comes to me I will in no wise cast out. I would like to hear the Baptist spiel. I never had much interest in Calvanism vs. Armenianism. But as a Bible student I am curious.

 

[WinBySurrender]

What is the second ordinance mentioned other than the Lords Supper done in remembrance?

For Baptists, there are only two ordinances, the Lord's Supper and believers' baptism, done as a public testimony of the work done in our hearts by Jesus Christ.

Is repentance from dead works considered producing works meet for repentance ?

Is repentance necessary for salvation ? Is repentance considered as living works in that faith without works is considered dead. ?

I read a Baptist post that salvation has nothing to do with works. Is this an irresitable grace thing ? Jesus said , all that the Father gives me shall come to me and Him that comes to me I will in no wise cast out. I would like to hear the Baptist spiel. I never had much interest in Calvanism vs. Armenianism. But as a Bible student I am curious.

Works do not save. Repentance at salvation is usually not much more than a realization that we have been headed in the wrong direction to that point in our lives and we need to turn around. That's what repentance means. It comes from the Greek metanoia which literally means "turn around." The Roman army used the word as the "about face" command.

A true confession of faith acknowledges the need for a Savior and the need to repent, and if God accepts that confession as true and genuine, He sends the Holy Spirit to abide with us. That is salvation. It results in immediate justification -- wiping the slate clean -- and instant sanctification -- being set apart for God, made holy. But sanctification is also progressive. It continues until the day we die. We learn and grow in Christ, not to maintain salvation -- that cannot be lost. We learn and grow that we may be better servants, better witnesses and better men and women. molded in image of Christ.

This has nothing to do with Calvinism or Arminianism. In fact, the argument grows wearisome and really doesn't represent what either of those men said, wrote or taught 440 years ago. This has to do with who Christ is, what He has done, and what we are going to do about it.

 

[riverhooks]

Sounds good to me. Repentance I would say is also . If you are stealing quit it.

 

[twin1954]

Todays natural religion makes repentance a condition of salvation. God does not. Repentance is the natural fruit of true faith. Jer. 31:18-19

 

[WinBySurrender]

Todays natural religion makes repentance a condition of salvation. God does not. Repentance is the natural fruit of true faith. Jer. 31:18-19

Hmmm .... perhaps. But for salvation to take place, there has to be an attitude brought upon us by the Holy Spirit that leads us to a true confession that we need a Savior. There has to be some concept leading to that confession that we are going in the wrong direction and must metanoia, "turn around," repent. Continuiing repentance of our sin as believers, of course, is the natural fruit of faith, as you said. But just as God's sovereignty is immutable, so is man's responsibility as well. No less than Spurgeon agreed with this concept.

 

[twin1954]

Hmmm .... perhaps. But for salvation to take place, there has to be an attitude brought upon us by the Holy Spirit that leads us to a true confession that we need a Savior. There has to be some concept leading to that confession that we are going in the wrong direction and must metanoia, "turn around," repent. Continuiing repentance of our sin as believers, of course, is the natural fruit of faith, as you said. But just as God's sovereignty is immutable, so is man's responsibility as well. No less than Spurgeon agreed with this concept.

Though the Scriptures clearly teach that both faith and repentance are gifts from God, Eph. 2:8; 2Tim 2:25, He neither believes for us nor repents for us. But if He grants us either we both believe and repent. Read the refernce I gave earlier. We are both passive and active in it. Just as a glass receives water by doing nothing we recieve both faith and repentance as a gift from God. And just like taking that glass of water for ourselves and making it a part of us we receive both actively. If you recieve them one way you will receive them the other.

 

[twin1954]

But for salvation to take place, there has to be an attitude brought upon us by the Holy Spirit that leads us to a true confession that we need a Savior. There has to be some concept leading to that confession that we are going in the wrong direction and must metanoia, "turn around," repent.

Salvation occured in the purpose of God before the faoundation of the world, actually in time when Christ accomplished redemption and we are made aware of it when we are given faith in Christ. Yes I do believe in eternal justification.

 

[WinBySurrender]

Salvation occured in the purpose of God before the faoundation of the world, actually in time when Christ accomplished redemption and we are made aware of it when we are given faith in Christ. Yes I do believe in eternal justification.

Tha''ts not inconsistent with what I said. Spurgeon agreed, God's sovereignth and man's responsibility co-exist.