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Questions Part 1: Baptism

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Canadian75

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I have a few questions. Not looking to debate, just looking for information. I decided to post each series of questions seperately.
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Questions Part 1: Baptism

Can someone explain the idea of adult only baptism?
Do you believe baptism saves?
I was baptized as an infant, is my baptism invalid?
How old do you believe someone needs to be to be baptized?
Is baptism by immersion only?

If you have anything to add I'd be interested in reading it. Again, I'm not looking to debate. You can guess my position on these issues by looking at my faith icon. I'm just curious. Peace.:wave:
 

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Oh no, not again. It seems like this question is being asked just about every week.

Baptism does not save, it is an expression of faith in Christ, and faith alone saved.

Infant baptism isn't meaningful since no one can have saving faith as an infant, it is impossible for it to be an expression of faith.

A person needs to be old enough to understand that they are a sinner, they need to be saved, can accept that salvation through faith in Christ and will confess that faith in public. In other words, no particular age, just whatever age someone is when they get saved.

Baptism is performed in many ways, sprinkling, pouring or emersion, with emersion being the most popular among the baptist/anabaptist groups.

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lambslove said:
Oh no, not again. It seems like this question is being asked just about every week.

:blush: Sorry, just call me ignorant and curious. I'm just looking into other Christian perspectives. Did not mean any offence.
 
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Canadian75 said:
:blush: Sorry, just call me ignorant and curious. I'm just looking into other Christian perspectives. Did not mean any offence.

Oh no, no offense taken. It's just that it is getting to be a bit redundant and boring. I wish folks would look through some of the older pages before they ask the same question 200 others asked before. :)

Your honest questions are always welcomed! We love ya brother!:wave:
 
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Canadian75 said:
If you have anything to add I'd be interested in reading it.


Alot of people in B/AB do have an infant/child dedication. It is for the parent though. The parent will stand in front of the congragation and announce publically their decision to teach their child about God and Christ's ways. There is no water involved. It doesn't save.

There is not set standard of age for a child to be baptised. My fiance's nephew asked to be baptised when he was 9. His parents and the pastor talked with him to make sure he knew what baptism was and was for and he was baptised.

His younger brother about to turn 7 has still hasn't asked. It should be of our free will, no one is pushing him or asking him to, in due time we pray that he will want to follow God's command.

If someone forces baptism than it's pointless, God perfers our will to follow him... the baptism should be an outward expression of the inward faith.

I'll try to dig up a couple links to a few other threads on baptism for you to check out.

Carina

PS. the word 'baptize' means immerse.
 
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Canadian75 said:
I have a few questions. Not looking to debate, just looking for information. I decided to post each series of questions seperately.
That being said:

Questions Part 1: Baptism

Can someone explain the idea of adult only baptism?

Good Day, Canadian75

We belive in belivers baptism, now that beliver could be 14 or 40.


Do you believe baptism saves?

No
I was baptized as an infant, is my baptism invalid?

Valid?? what do you mean??

How old do you believe someone needs to be to be baptized?
Is baptism by immersion only?

They have to be belivers, and by immersion.

If you have anything to add I'd be interested in reading it. Again, I'm not looking to debate. You can guess my position on these issues by looking at my faith icon. I'm just curious. Peace.:wave:

Peace to u,

Bill
 
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Baptism is a picture or representation of salvation, as others have stated. Without Christ there is no need for baptism, so from my point of view, I don't understand infant baptism to begin with (not trying to offend, just offering my beliefs.)

Baptism does not save a person. Blood saves, water does not.

The age for someone to understand they are a sinner is different in each person, it's all about when they realize they are in need of a savior.

I believe baptism should be full immersion, but I'm conservative too.:)

That's how our church is taught on the issue of baptism.
 
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Sword-In-Hand said:
Baptism does not save a person. Blood saves, water does not.

Then would I be correct in coming to the conclusion that those who were baptized as infants, who profess a faith in Jesus would still be saved then, since baptism isn't necessary for salvation? In other words, even though Baptists do not believe in infant baptism, they wouldn't condemn Christians who practice this sacrament?
If not, then what about the millions of pre-Reformation Christians?

Just looking for some follow-up answers. Thanks.

Peace.:wave:
 
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Canadian75 said:
Then would I be correct in coming to the conclusion that those who were baptized as infants, who profess a faith in Jesus would still be saved then, since baptism isn't necessary for salvation? In other words, even though Baptists do not believe in infant baptism, they wouldn't condemn Christians who practice this sacrament?
If not, then what about the millions of pre-Reformation Christians?

Just looking for some follow-up answers. Thanks.

Peace.:wave:

I understand what you are saying, but alot of Baptists, speaking from my part of the state, would presume that the infant baptism meant nothing, because they hadn't placed their faith in Christ yet. Since to us baptism is a picture of salvation and an act of obedience to God, which still makes baptism very important, to us it would be better to be re-baptized in order to show that a person is saved, although some people get baptized and have no idea about salvation and I'm speaking about adults.:)
I personally wouldn't look down on it, but in Acts it says repent and be baptized, so to me after the repentance of sins then comes baptism. That would be an issue between that person and the Lord honestly. If they felt a need to be re-baptized then do it.

Hope that makes sense.
 
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Canadian75 said:
I have a few questions. Not looking to debate, just looking for information. I decided to post each series of questions seperately.
That being said:

Questions Part 1: Baptism

Can someone explain the idea of adult only baptism?
Do you believe baptism saves?
I was baptized as an infant, is my baptism invalid?
How old do you believe someone needs to be to be baptized?
Is baptism by immersion only?

If you have anything to add I'd be interested in reading it. Again, I'm not looking to debate. You can guess my position on these issues by looking at my faith icon. I'm just curious. Peace.:wave:

Adult only baptism isn't quite what we believe. Believer's baptism is a better term, because a believer can be of practically any age. That is, if you are old enough to decide and make a clear profession of faith then you can choose to be baptised.

No we do not believe that baptism saves.

The baptism that you had as an infant "did" as much to save you as the one that I had when I was 19. See the above point.

Old enough to acknowledge their sin, accept Christ as saviour. I've known some folks who were baptized at 9... others 19.. others 50. The youngest I've ever heard of was 9. I wasn't raised Baptist though so I couldn't say for sure.

Infant baptism comes from a covenant theology position that baptism is that rite which links you to (or makes you part of) the church. In the OT you had circumcision which was done on the 8th day, and so those who follow covenantalism (catholics, anglicans, other "reformed" churches but not all reformed churches) say that baptism replaces circumcision and so should be done to babies.

So that's why you folks baptise your babies...
 
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Found somethin for you.:wave: BELIEVERS' BAPTISM

God's command includes baptism. The Great Commission in Matthew 28:19-20 says, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."We are not saved by baptism, but by faith in Jesus Christ, and His blood cleanses us from all sin. Baptism is an outward symbol of what has already transpired in one who has trusted Jesus Christ for full salvation. Baptism is a vital part of the Great Commission.

WHEN SHOULD WE BE BAPTIZED?


1. After we have been saved.

Following the pattern in the New Testament recorded in Acts 2:41,
"Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls."Notice that the person was saved and then baptized. Notice this sequence in practice in the conversions of Paul (Acts 9:18), Cornelius (Acts 10:27), the Ethiopian Eunuch (Acts 8:38), Crispus (Acts 18:8), and others.

2. Soon after we have been saved.

All of the New Testament. Scriptures bear out the fact that those who gladly received the message of Christ and believed in Him were baptized immediately after salvation. As soon as possible after we get saved, we should come forward for baptism, have baptism explained to us, and be baptized.


WHY SHOULD WE BE BAPTIZED?


1. Scriptural Baptism is what Christ Himself did."Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfill all righteousness. Then he suffered him. And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." (Matthew 3:13-17)2. Scriptural Baptism is obedience to God's command.

"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." - (Acts 2:38)"And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days." (Acts 10:48)"And now why tarriest thou? Arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." (Acts 22:16)

We have His command and that should be enough for us. Also it is important to note there is no such thing in the This follows the pattern established in the book of Acts.

3. Scriptural Baptism is a testimony to the world.

Jesus said, "Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 10:32) After getting saved, we could get on the public address system at Candlestick park and tell everyone about our salvation. We could rent a sign on the freeway to advertise our salvation. But the Lord has given us a better way, a way found in the Bible. Our baptism is a public testimony of our faith in Jesus Christ.

4. Scriptural Baptism is a picture of the Gospel

By baptism, we identify ourselves with Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection. Christ's death, burial, and resurrection is the core of the Gospel by which we are saved, as stated in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4:


"Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures."


Baptism is a picture of Christ's death, burial, and resurrection.


"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life." (Romans 6:3-4)

5. Scriptural Baptism is a means of blessing.

Obedience to God always brings blessings. Baptism does not save us, nor is it a part of our salvation, but it surely does add to the joy of our salvation, knowing that we have been obedient in this matter.


"The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ." (1 Peter 3:21)

In this passage, water baptism is a "like figure" (picture) of spiritual baptism (indwelling of the Holy Ghost). When we have been baptized in water, we have a "good conscience towards God" because we have obeyed what we know He wanted us to do.

HOW SHOULD WE BE BAPTIZED?

1. In the manner specified in the Bible
The Bible teaches Baptism by immersion by the very word used. The Greek word "baptizo" means "to dip, to plunge under, to submerge." The Greek words translated "to pour" or "to sprinkle" are never found in connection with baptism.

In addition, various expressions used in Bible accounts of Baptisms are definite evidence that Scriptural Baptism is by immersion.


"And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized." (John 3:23)"And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: andthey went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him." (Acts 8:36-38)"And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. And straightway coming up out of the water, He saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon Him." (Mark 1:9-10)

2. In the manner which fulfills the typology of the act.
Earlier, we looked at Romans 6:3-4 to show what baptism is.


"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life." (Romans 6:3-4)

We saw that baptism must picture three things - the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. It is easy to see that the ONLY form of baptism that fulfills all of these types is the immersion of a believer in water.
 
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