Questions for SDA?

[TrustAndObey]

Christ's ressurection was very different from the ressurrections before His (and those after). If He was ressurected by God the Father, would he need to ascend and visit Him? No, His ressurrection was because He had conqured sin and death, and all other ressurrections from death are allowed because of it.

The angel did not resurrect Him on the third day, rather, it just called Him forth from the tomb.

JM

By the weight of sin that He was carrying. See the story of the Garden for it presented mostly clearly, but it is clear that there was still division (brought about by taking on humanity) earlier. A human body born of a human is much more limited then what we will have in heaven.

JM

So He had our sins on Him from the very beginning of His human life?

 

[JonMiller]

No, but He was in a mortal body from the beginning of His life.

JM

 

[JonMiller]

Really, my ideas on this would be a lot easier to explain if you all read Science Fiction.

JM

 

[TrustAndObey]

Really, my ideas on this would be a lot easier to explain if you all read Science Fiction.

JM

The truth is stranger than fiction.

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

The angel did not resurrect Him on the third day, rather, it just called Him forth from the tomb.

JM

Can you tell me what part of the Bible mentions the angel calling Jesus forth from the tomb? No of course you can't it is not in the Bible at all. It is an Ellen White story.

 

[TrustAndObey]

Can you tell me what part of the Bible mentions the angel calling Jesus forth from the tomb? No of course you can't it is not in the Bible at all. It is an Ellen White story.

RC, why do you have to be so hateful? You could've asked that exact same question without words that could possibly make JM feel defensive.

I just don't understand.

 

[TrustAndObey]

I have a question about this verse...

1 Corinthians 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

Is "man" in that verse referring to Christ?

 

[JonMiller]

God as man, yes... Christ. Christ was fully man, just as He was fully divine.

JM

 

[JonMiller]

The truth is stranger than fiction.

Oh, I agree. But so many people here, yourself included, seem very limited in what you can imagine. And so think that some things don't make sense, or aren't logical. In science fiction people have imagined more, and so I could use that as a tool to try to get you (and others) to see a possibility you haven't currently.

And it is hard to explain something properly in a few lines, or paragraphs, that is why I said I wished you had read some of these science fiction stories, because then I could reference the story and wouldn't need to try to express the idea in a couple paragraphs (which I haven't done because I am afraid to, I think it is a hard idea to ge across).

JM

 

[JonMiller]

Can you tell me what part of the Bible mentions the angel calling Jesus forth from the tomb? No of course you can't it is not in the Bible at all. It is an Ellen White story.

Doesn't matter. The point being is that the angel didn't resurrect Him from the dead.

JM

 

[JonMiller]

God couldn't fix things from His thrown. He had to come down, and become one of us, live (a perfect life) and die, in order to fix things. And since He was sinless... He triumphed over death, and came back to life.

JM

 

[sentipente]

JM, it's strange to see you speculating on something you could know absolutely nothing about. This is contrary to your earlier claims. The revelation is very disappointing.

 

[TrustAndObey]

God couldn't fix things from His thrown. He had to come down, and become one of us, live (a perfect life) and die, in order to fix things. And since He was sinless... He triumphed over death, and came back to life.

JM

JM I'm not going to jump on the bandwagon of bashing you, and I'm really enjoying our conversation.

But I do have to ask....who was Jesus praying to? Himself?

 

[JonMiller]

This is what I beleive. It is important for my beleif, because without it I wouldn't be Christian, but would be something else.

I said that I don't find it interesting to speculate about things that I could know nothing, which aren't important to me.

Obviously I speculate about things that I can know absolutely nothing about, I do beleive in God!

If it is important to your being a Christian to know what life was like in the story of genesis, then I think you are wrong (that it is important), but I agree that you should be speculating about it.

JM

 

[sentipente]

If it is important to your being a Christian to know what life was like in the story of genesis, then I think you are wrong (that it is important), but I agree that you should be speculating about it.

JM

You think I am wrong about something I do not believe. I do not speculate about life in Genesis for religious reasons. My interest is in bringing sanity to the human condition. To repair anything you have to know what it was like when it came from the hand of its Creator. The costs of restoring a condition are different from the costs of introducing the same condition. My reasons are entirely scientific in nature.

 

[JonMiller]

JM I'm not going to jump on the bandwagon of bashing you, and I'm really enjoying our conversation.

But I do have to ask....who was Jesus praying to? Himself?

I think it might have been because He was in an earthly body, and so thoughts couldn't travel in the same manner.

I agree, btw, that some of this is speculating. And I can't understand it all, some is just guess work. I am, however, defending what I do beleive in and that is important to me.

Mainly that it is Christ's sinless life that allowed Him to triumph over death, and that it is Christ's triumph over death that allows the other resurrections (both before and after), and that when He took on the sins of the world (in the garden) He became seperated from God the Father.

JM

 

[JonMiller]

You think I am wrong about something I do not believe. I do not speculate about life in Genesis for religious reasons. My interest is in bringing sanity to the human condition. To repair anything you have to know what it was like when it came from the hand of its Creator. The costs of restoring a condition are different from the costs of introducing the same condition. My reasons are entirely scientific in nature.

From a scientific standpoint, the whole genesis story is rediculous, and shouldn't even be discussed.

JM

 

[sentipente]

From a scientific standpoint, the whole genesis story is rediculous, and shouldn't even be discussed.

JM

Maybe you don't understand what science is. Science is a search for knowledge; an attempt to unmask the unknown. Genesis may be inaccurate in its details but it is accurate in its principles. It is the most comprehensive, even if limited, accountwe have of the origins of the human race. It also tells us how man began to slide into chaos that the other species have been able to avoid and what the result has been. We have missed those cues because of those who have tried to interpret it literally but that is not the fault of the book nor its author.

 

[TrustAndObey]

I think it might have been because He was in an earthly body, and so thoughts couldn't travel in the same manner.

I agree, btw, that some of this is speculating. And I can't understand it all, some is just guess work. I am, however, defending what I do beleive in and that is important to me.

Mainly that it is Christ's sinless life that allowed Him to triumph over death, and that it is Christ's triumph over death that allows the other resurrections (both before and after), and that when He took on the sins of the world (in the garden) He became seperated from God the Father.

JM

This just brings up more questions...LOL.

God hates sin, so how could He possibly even be tempted by it?

 

[JonMiller]

He was incarnated in a human body. Or are you saying that Christ wasn't tempted by the devil in the wilderness?

JM