Questions for creationists...

[Pete Harcoff]

Why do you think evolution is currently accepted by the majority of scientists in biology-related fields today?

And second, why do you think it displaced the notion of "special creation" (that is, all the organisms were created independant of each other at roughly the same time), which was the prevailing notion some 150+ years ago?

 

[MartinM]

Satan. Obviously. You heathen.

 

[JohnR7]

Today at 01:43 PM Pete Harcoff said this in Post #1

Why do you think evolution is currently accepted by the majority of scientists in biology-related fields today? 

Because the majority of scientists are not christian. There is no surprise there, the Bible says the way to destruction is wide and many find it. While few find their way to eternal life.

Matthew 7:13
    "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.




 

 

[JohnR7]

Today at 01:51 PM MartinM said this in Post #2

Satan. Obviously. You heathen.

Can you tell the difference between a heathen and a pagan?

 

[Arikay]

I dont believe there really is one.

Today at 11:05 AM JohnR7 said this in Post #4



Can you tell the difference between a heathen and a pagan?

 

[Osiris]

Today at 02:04 PM JohnR7 said this in Post #3



Because the majority of scientists are not christian. There is no surprise there, the Bible says the way to destruction is wide and many find it. While few find their way to eternal life.

Matthew 7:13
    "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 
 

So, you are saying that the majority of thinkers are not christian and thinking is the way to destruction because many find it. You did know God gave us intelligence right? And that science is the result of it... But if you are right, I just feel sorry for the doctors that are trying to find the cure for cancer or any other illness,   , they don't know they are being deceived by satan and are traveling in the wide road that leads to destruction.

 

[JohnR7]

Today at 02:44 PM Osiris said this in Post #6

So, you are saying that the majority of thinkers are not christian 

The majority of any group of people are not christian. Where your IQ falls on the bell curve has nothing to do with it.

 You did know God gave us intelligence right?

Yes, but the intelligence He gave us does not save us. Only God can save people. We can not save ourselves. It takes more than intellegence, it takes the breath of life.

 I just feel sorry for the doctors

I feel sorry for a lot of doctors also, because they are so deceived. But most of them only have themselves to blame because they allow their love for money to lead them astray.

 

[Arikay]

John, you do realize right that many researchers dont really get paid all to much money?

So, even if our Inteligence doesnt save us, does that mean we shouldnt use it?

 

[Osiris]

I'm an atheist, but I'm going to use your christianity-belief to debate with you here so you can see where im standing...

Today at 03:31 PM JohnR7 said this in Post #7

The majority of any group of people are not christian. Where your IQ falls on the bell curve has nothing to do with it.

God gave us intelligence -- is it cause he wants us to use it?? --
Christians overall view intelligence as satanic:
"We must not have thoughts of any kind, for the bible is our only way through eternity. Science is satanic because I can't find it in the bible, and I have to use my intelligence to understand it, it's evil I tell you!"

Yes, but the intelligence He gave us does not save us.

Out of all the religions out there; Islamic, Christianity, Bhuddism, etc, don't you think we have to use intelligence in order to chose. How will you know what you are being told is the truth when you are gullible and easy to manipulate?
If intelligence has nothing to do with it we might as well can say that we are just pawns of God.

Only God can save people. We can not save ourselves. It takes more than intellegence, it takes the breath of life.

So you are saying that God is controlling you, and that you are not a christian on your own??
How come God is not controlling me, I mean, How come God is not saving me??
What happened to the times when we were accountable for our own actions, and that God would judge us for the actions that we did.
If Joe was a murderer and a Killer his whole life, Joe will be comdemed in hell(unless he repented, but he didn't).
Moe followed God's word, Moe will be saved.
Isn't this saving oneself?? God didn't Save Moe, Moe saved himself by doing what God wanted him to do.
God didn't control Moe like Super Mario, neither God controlled Joe like Luigi and dropped him in hell for the fun of it.
But if this is what you think God does, then you are guillible to believe this.

I feel sorry for a lot of doctors also, because they are so deceived. But most of them only have themselves to blame because they allow their love for money to lead them astray.

I assume that doctors love their job, since they spent 6 or 8 years studing for it. And at the same time they have to make their own living, do you work?? aren't you being lead astray by the money your job is giving you?? If not, you better quit before it does...
And what about priests, they get paid for what they do.
And I feel a doctor's job is more important than a priest's, because let's say Joe is a criminal that never repented and is about to die. The doctor saves his life, and because of this, Joe has more time in his life to repent and save himself.
The reason Joe was saved here was because of the Doctor, not the priest.

 

[wblastyn]

Christians overall view intelligence as satanic:

No, only the ones who don't have it, it makes them feel better.

 

[Truth in Faith]

I think the 2 books, the book of nature and Bible, should match up perfectly. I think when there's a possible mis-match, it owes either to our interpretation of the scriptures, or are interpretation of the evidence. I think that science should stick to rock-solid facts.

 

[paulewog]

Um, some of the smartest people in the world have been Christians you know....

Why is it so popular? I could get into a lot of reasons that you would deny. But I'll do it anyways.

(1) It removes the need for God
(2) It gets rid of guilt because of #1

... that's all I can think of off the top of my head (hey, I just took the ACT today, my brain is fried enough. )

Since when does the majority-belief make that belief right?

I could have used the same argument in favor of the heliocentric theory.

 

[Arikay]

"(1) It removes the need for God
(2) It gets rid of guilt because of #1"

Um, thats not true.

You can look at the atheists here. They lack god, but dont lack guilt, or morals or any of the other things that belief in god is supposed to give.

If the only purpose for god is to instil guilt, than he is a sad sad man.

Today at 03:57 PM paulewog said this in Post #12

Um, some of the smartest people in the world have been Christians you know....

Why is it so popular? I could get into a lot of reasons that you would deny. But I'll do it anyways.

(1) It removes the need for God
(2) It gets rid of guilt because of #1

... that's all I can think of off the top of my head (hey, I just took the ACT today, my brain is fried enough. )

Since when does the majority-belief make that belief right?

I could have used the same argument in favor of the heliocentric theory.

 

[paulewog]

It is true.

Yes, you still have guilt. Know why? Because God DOES exist.

But if you can get rid of the need for God, then you can try to tell yourself He doesn't exist. If you can finalyl convince yourself of that, the only guilt you might get is from society. These days, you don't get much from there.

 

[Arikay]

Um, nope, I dont still have guilt because god exists. Please try again at reading my mind.

Again, if the only reason for god is Guilt, then he is a sad sad man.

Today at 04:04 PM paulewog said this in Post #14

It is true.

Yes, you still have guilt. Know why? Because God DOES exist.

But if you can get rid of the need for God, then you can try to tell yourself He doesn't exist. If you can finalyl convince yourself of that, the only guilt you might get is from society. These days, you don't get much from there.

 

[paulewog]

I didn't give it as an only reason.

However, can you explain where the guilt comes from?

 

[Osiris]

Guilt comes from human conciousness. Since we are able to reason, we can put ourselves in other people's perspective. (However, there are other species on earth that are capable of doing this, elephants help other elephants when they are in trouble)
e.g.
You are eating in a restaurant with a window view. Outside is a kid who looks like he's starving and looking at your food. You will put yourself in that kid's perspective and see how he feels, at first you will feel sorry for him. But then you might feel guilty that you are eating in front of him.

And If you lived with or in a place that cares about other people, you will share your food with that kid. Since our society has role in shaping our character.

 

[JohnR7]

Today at 03:38 PM Arikay said this in Post #8

John, you do realize right that many researchers dont really get paid all to much money? 

They get paid to teach and they have students to use as free labor for their research. It is all a part of it. A friend of mine is a associate professor at a medical collage and they are having trouble hiring teachers because they only pay $60,000 a years, and most schools pay closer to $80,000 a year.

Now, what were you saying about how little they make?

 

[Jase]

Scientists use science to disprove God and the Bible, which right off the bad isn't what God gave us intelligence for.

We should accept God's word first, and then use the science He gave us to learn about it. Scientists chose to deny what God said, so they are working backwards. As it was intended, if scientists had faith in God and His word, they would use their intelligence and science to work with God, instead of against Him. But they choose to deny Him and explain the world in their own way instead of His. So you get big problems, with no solution.

 

[JohnR7]

Today at 09:35 PM Osiris said this in Post #17

You will put yourself in that kid's perspective and see how he feels, at first you will feel sorry for him.

Yes, in third world nations, they put the food in serving dishes and you only take for your plate what you really need. Because you know there are people who need that food more than you do. People do not over eat in third world nations.

Here in American we over eat and even throw food away, because there is just no one to give it to.