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And how do you explain James 2:26 that says the body without theSpirit is DEAD.. Notice: Spirit is capitalizedIf we LDS folks want something that pointedly says that, the default citation is just to quote the 10 commandments- it can't get any more direct then that.
I'm curious: why do you ask?
Yes, please no questions that she cannot answerPlease be respectful to my thread and do not try to derail it. If you want to address any other topics, you are free to start a new thread. Please do not disrespect my thread answering @JIMINZ's specific questions.
And how do you explain James 2:26 that says the body without theSpirit is DEAD.. Notice: Spirit is capitalized
*sigh*Yes, please no questions that she cannot answer
.,.,.,.,.,I'm curious: why do you ask?
.Hi everyone,
JIMINZ and I were chatting over on this thread (Why are Mormons hated by other Christians?), and started to get a little off topic, so came here to continue the conversation and not derail the other thread.
Her/his question were:
I'll address one common is conception first, and then hit each of these questions on the head--
No, the Bible is the Mormon Bible (and the Baptist Bible and Methodist Bible, etc...). We use the 66 book Protestant Bible, the KJV in English. The Book of Mormon is not a replacement for this in any way, and for every 1 year of LDS Sunday School spent on the Book of Mormon, 2 years are spent on the Bible. All scripture are viewed as sisters, loved and believed together.
The Book of Mormon claims to be a record of Christ's dealing with people in the New World (the Americas). The story starts out in 600 BC with a Jewish prophet in Jerusalem, who is commanded to leave before the cities destruction. Following God's commands, he & his family leave, travel to the sea, and eventually build a boat to which is guided by God to the Americas.
For the next thousand years, God interacts with these people, as He does with all of His followers. There are of course plenty of people who fall away, contentions, preaching of Christ, etc. Eventually the people all choose love of wickedness over love of God. Instructed by God, the last righteous prophets abridge the record and stories of their people onto golden plates, before burying them.
Centuries later, new peoples and new nations have arrived on the Americas. It is believed that God choose a new prophet, and lead him to where the plates were. The leading was done via his messenger, the angel Moroni (remember, "angel" means "messenger"). The translation of the plates into English was then done through the power of God.
John 10:16 "And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd" - Christ
It is believed that His followers in the Americas were these other sheep, and Christ went to go visit them. He did so because He loves them too, and went to minister unto them too.
The Book of Mormon's purpose is to testify of Christ, hence it is another testimony/testament of Jesus Christ.
Some highlighted verses--
“Yea, come unto Christ, and be perfected in him, and deny yourselves of all ungodliness; and if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness, and love God with all your might, mind and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you, that by his grace ye may be perfect in Christ; and if by the grace of God ye are perfect in Christ, ye can in nowise deny the power of God.”
Moroni 10
"And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins."
2 Nephi 25
"And now, my sons, remember, remember that it is upon the rock of our Redeemer, who is Christ, the Son of God, that ye must build your foundation; that when the devil shall send forth his mighty winds, yea, his shafts in the whirlwind, yea, when all his hail and his mighty stormshall beat upon you, it shall have no power over you to drag you down to the gulf of misery and endless wo, because of the rock upon which ye are built, which is a sure foundation, a foundation whereon if men build they cannot fall."
Helaman 5
There are man-made attempts both for and against this. If you want I can grab you some links. I'm personally not of looking to man to prove "truthfulness" in spiritual things (rather the Spirit should be sought for testifying of spiritual matters).Have the Mormons attempted to connect cultures, locations, events recorded in the Book of Mormon with what archaeologists know?
Here is something I just found on Wikipedia.There are man-made attempts both for and against this. If you want I can grab you some links. I'm personally not of looking to man to prove "truthfulness" in spiritual things (rather the Spirit should be sought for testifying of spiritual matters).
No worries. My schedule's been super scrambled too after taking off to watch the eclipse (which was totally amazing!)..
Sorry, It was not my intention to leave hung out to dry, I was busy until now, forgive me.
Haha, I'm 30. I don't like having my private information posted on a super public profile, and CF won't let me skip that question, so I put in obviously false information. But I'm don't mind people asking. Free free to ask me any question..
Looking at your profile, I noticed your 108 yrs old, your pretty sharp for 108.
Awesome. Feel free to ask any question you'd like..
I am curious to find out just what it is you believe.
Cool. I grew up LDS, left for some years during my undergrad (being a rebel and because I had mega personal issues going on), and came back as a different person because this is where I honestly find Truth..
I was raised Catholic, parochial school and all, after my military service I left the Church (Not God), got Saved in 1968, have attended Baptist, Church of God, Church of Christ, Assemblies of God, Messianic Fellowship, Charismatic Fellowship.
I claim Charismatic, because it is the closest to what my beliefs actually are, but that's just a general label of belief, not a hard and fast rule.
Haha. Yep, I have heard them all. My favorite is when people (in complete seriousness) think I literally have horns. I assure, I don't.
Through all of the different Denominations I have come, I have heard the same types of things concerning the Mormon Religion, all of the questions you are pelted with on a regular basis.
That's awesome. I'll try to highlight some of the similarities/differences to other Christian faiths in my answers for you..
I am not looking at you as an Ideology which is wrong and in need of correction, No, not at all.
I am looking at you as person, with beliefs which differ with my own, I would like to know first hand, just what those differences actually are.
I live by this.
Rom. 12:18
If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
Oh there's a ton of them..
With that In mind, I would like to give you the opportunity to express and answer what you would say are the biggest misunderstandings people have about The Mormon Religion?
Oops, I jumped the gun on this one. See post #29..
Then.
1) Have you been a Mormon since you were a child?
Overall the traditional view is that it's actual history, but I do know Mormons who view it more allegorical. Certain parts are viewed as being symbolic and very clearly meant to be symbolic.So do you consider the history of the Book of Mormon to be mythical or allegorical or something - much as many Christians consider the history of Genesis?
Common myth: "Mormons believe their works get them to heaven". That's complete bunk. In all my studied of dozens different faiths, I have never met one that believes works get you to Heaven, and met 100% who expressly believe the opposite. No rite or anything separate from Christ will save you.2) How does a Mormon attain Salvation?
Baptism is talked about thoroughly in the scripture. I'm sure you know the Bible references, so I won't preach to the choir here. There are also many great Book of Mormon references to it such as:3) What is gained by the Mormon in/through Baptism?
4) Do Mormons consider themselves to be Born Again, if so why?
.Common myth: "Mormons believe their works get them to heaven". That's complete bunk. In all my studied of dozens different faiths, I have never met one that believes works get you to Heaven, and met 100% who expressly believe the opposite. No rite or anything separate from Christ will save you.
Salvation is a gift from God, made possible through Christ's incredible sacrifice. That being said, we aren't to cheapen His gift and sacrifice by casually one day saying "oh yeah, I accept Christ as my savior", and then continue about our same-same sinful day, lacking real faith or repentance. In order to be saved a person must accept the gift of salvation God offers. God's not going to force it on you, or force you to heaven. You must choose to accept Him. (You'll notice LDS theology is REALLY big on God giving us the ability to choose).
Accepting God's gift of salvation starts by having faith in Him. This faith is also a gift from God, one that He offers everyone. We each individually choose whether to accept this gift, or to cast it out. If a person chooses to cast it out, they cannot be saved. Note: when I say this I'm talking about if they choose to cast it out and keep choosing to cast it out. Someone who first chooses to reject faith but later accepts it is welcomed.
Once a person has faith for God, they must repent of their sins. Repentance is a gift made possible through Christ & His atonement. He makes every step possible and walks with us every step, carrying our weight. Still, He does not force us.
After faith and repentance comes baptism. I'll talk about that more with your next question.
Salvation is a gift from God, made possible through Christ's incredible sacrifice. That being said, we aren't to cheapen His gift and sacrifice by casually one day saying "oh yeah, I accept Christ as my savior", and then continue about our same-same sinful day, lacking real faith or repentance. In order to be saved a person must accept the gift of salvation God offers. God's not going to force it on you, or force you to heaven. You must choose to accept Him. (You'll notice LDS theology is REALLY big on God giving us the ability to choose).
There's a whole bunch: Agency1) By what Scripture verse or verses does the LDS theology base it's understanding of God giving us the ability to choose?
I take it your a Calvinist?I find this same belief of choice (Free Will) in other Christian Denominations,..... now that is a Myth.
All the time. For example, all of those million purses my mom used to buy me, and then instantly go into the closet to collect dust. And then she'd roll her eyes as I lost my keys or license for the 5th time that week.Have you ever in your life been given a Gift which you had the ability to either accept or Reject, or were they just always given and received, what makes us believe, God's Gifts are any different?
.There's a whole bunch: Agency
A personal favorite of mine: "Josh 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord."
I take it your a Calvinist?
All the time. For example, all of those million purses my mom used to buy me, and then instantly go into the closet to collect dust. And then she'd roll her eyes as I lost my keys or license for the 5th time that week.
Question for you: if free will is a myth, why does anyone go to Hell? Why are all men not saved?
Question for you: if free will is a myth, why does anyone go to Hell? Why are all men not saved?
Rion, your attempt to completely derail this thread is not appreciated. I will not be addressing your disrespectful comments here. If you wish to have them addressed, feel free to start your own thread on this sub-forum Debate Non-Christian Religions.
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