Questions about suicidal people

[Hearingheart]

Is it possible that within the realm of being a Christian that two people can walk entirely different paths? From where I view it. in my path. I abstain from people and communication. I am isolated. But I do this for a really justified reason, I am abstaining from the world and its desires. I pray a lot, I come on here for fellowship. But the path I walk is almost that Of a hermit. I tend to avoid negativity and darkness as a spiritual habit. So my view on things like that is to avoid them. rather than confront them.

I don't know if I would say it's a different path....maybe just doing what the Lord is telling you to do at this point in your life? Sometimes I just watch and observe.....sometimes I'm moved to be involved. All the time it leads to prayer and all the time God is there.

 

[Hearingheart]

Sometimes a person has so much pain inside that their words reflect it. I was suicidal although i didnt really want to die. I just didnt want to live this way any more. So in a way i can understand such people who talk about suicide. Its their pain crying out, imo.

Yes, I agree.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

QUOTE="Shadowprophet, post: 72630848, member: 373092"]I don't know how to start this. I know Suicide is a dark topic, But people run into this and I feel people could be better prepared when those situations arise.
I have serious views about suicidal people, This post isn't for everyone if it's for anyone.

Firstly this is a question about seeing people posting disturbingly depressing things every day for months.

I have a friend/acquaintance whom I've known my entire life since grade school. For the last two months, the only posts he makes are extremely dark and depressing, Like really dark stuff. Like posts that would make a person think he was suicidal. I try to talk to him about it. telling him, Whatever has him down. We all go through times like that. So I tell him, Chin, up. Not just Chin up. I tell him, From my point of View. We are 40 years old. It's our job to be examples to our families, I tell him, There are some depths of emotion that are just improper to subject others too. We are supposed to be stronger than that.


Some backstory on me. I've known people that have committed suicide, I am not the person suicidal people should talk too. It's because, Inside me, I see a suicidal person as a very very selfish and dangerous person.

At least in my experience, The people who I have known that did it. They sought other people out to tell them. to ask them selfishly for a help that is impossible to give. full knowing they were going to do it. So in my eyes. they had this darkness. And they wanted to spread it to as many people as they could before they went out.

It's not that I don't love people. It's just. I see a dangerous person who is deranged enough to hurt themselves. As dangerous to others as well. And not just on a physical level, What about those people that they tell? Those people who they share their pain. There is a common theme in suicide. the, (MeMeMe What about ME disease) That seems to just want to spread.

Yeah. I know, By this point, people are looking at me as heartless.

I'm not heartless. I'm one of those people that someone truly suicidal came too, Someone they asked for help. Sometimes, It's beyond our power to help people like that. Sometimes, If someone is suicidal. The only thing that happens is that person in the darkness has become so dark they are going to infect others with that darkness. When they do it anyway in the end.

So, over the years. I've grown to see people who act openly suicidal. are inflicting their pains and darkness onto people. They say help me when they do it. But their darkness. Their sadness. they are still inflicting it on others.

So, My question is. people may think I'm heartless. But I've got more heart than people realize. For that one dark individual. he is experiencing hell on earth. But that is the kind of hell people shouldn't force on others.

And sometimes, I just want to tell people like that that rooms have doors that close for a reason, don't infect others with your spiritual cooties...


If I'm in the wrong, for being so unfeeling. Then so be it. My thing is. I've seen people do this. I've seen people who were serious about doing it. try to get as much attention as they could before they did it. I see an evil transpiring in those things that most people overlook.

That person was hurting. But that person was hurting in ways that can and will hurt others.
So I have negative views of people who get into that mental state.

No matter how one looks at it. A suicidal mental state is not the Mind and heart of God. Something bad. Something evil is going on when people get into that frame of mind. So yeah. I look at suicidal people as a danger to others.[/QUOTE

What did Jesus DO, and the Apostles and the disciples for anyone, for everyone who came to them ?
(from the New Testament ---- NOT from modern teachings, NOT from sermons, NOT from scholars, NOT from specialists, i.e. NOT from men/ mankind)
i.e. NOT from things that often hurt or cause harm or PREVENT healing.

What is written in the New Testment that helps everyone, anyone ?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Sometimes a person has so much pain inside that their words reflect it. I was suicidal although i didnt really want to die. I just didnt want to live this way any more. So in a way i can understand such people who talk about suicide. Its their pain crying out, imo.

Shalom W2L, it's been a while. Simple question - have you yourself been blessed to actually see during your lifetime on earth people healed or set free (naturally, prayerfully, simply) once for all
from short or long term pain or disease ?

 

[W2L]

Shalom W2L, it's been a while. Simple question - have you yourself been blessed to actually see during your lifetime on earth people healed or set free (naturally, prayerfully, simply) once for all
from short or long term pain or disease ?

What's that got to do with being a persons friend, one who is suicidal? Should i beat them over the head with healing scriptures?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

What's that got to do with being a persons friend, one who is suicidal? Should i beat them over the head with healing scriptures?

Not at all. Missed the point entirely (though not really unexpectedly).
The healing of depression and remedies for pain is found not only in Scripture,
but in many publications printed before 1950.
In the 50's , in the USA and later in other countries, it became illegal by federal law.
Churches and doctors can still help others, but not if they 'name' a disease or condition covered by man's law - that is restricted greatly.

 

[HopefulHepatica]

The spirit of suicide is evil, it seeks the self-destruction of God's creation. It is a darkness that just eats away at a person and steals their sense of self-worth. The person themselves? They're a victim, suffering, they're in pain and need God more than ever. They also need love, and understanding. They can be dangerous because they're on the edge, and their words are toxic, and can incite others who are in a similar frame of mind, to share in that darkness & desire to end their lives. I am part of another forum, a support forum, and it's filled with toxic words like this because they're so devoid of hope.

It comes from the world, it is a state of being without God, we're hopeless and in despair, and the spirit is rampant. So many people today are depressed, and it's become clinical and it doesn't easily go away. My little brother has tried to kill himself twice, it's not...an easy subject to approach. I can see it though, how deeply wrapped up he is in his own darkness, but when they refuse to let anyone in, all you can do is keep praying and be there for them, encourage them and love them.

My mom and I are believers, but we struggle with depression. God brings me joy and peace in the regular, and that particular spirit (suicide) does not manifest nor touch my mom and I, because we're covered by the grace of God and the value of the life He's given, and His love is greater. You need that though, to fill you, to light up the darkness and chase away that. It doesn't mean we don't ever feel hopeless or depressed, it's an everyday battle, but God makes it easier. However not everyone is receptive or in that place, so you must be cautious with them.

It's important to recognize their vulnerable state, and continue to pray for them and communicate to them they are loved and remind them of their value. If someone in a suicidal state goes to you, try to consider things about them or positive traits you've witnessed or distract them from their sadness by asking simple questions, and turning them back on them into something positive. My brother's doctor in the hospital did this, when he revived him. It was a beautiful way of revealing to my brother he still had VALUE...

 

[W2L]

Not at all. Missed the point entirely (though not really unexpectedly).
The healing of depression and remedies for pain is found not only in Scripture,
but in many publications printed before 1950.
In the 50's , in the USA and later in other countries, it became illegal by federal law.
Churches and doctors can still help others, but not if they 'name' a disease or condition covered by man's law - that is restricted greatly.

Ok, thanks. Forgive my bluntness, sometimes i like to get right to the point

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Ok, thanks. Forgive my bluntness, sometimes i like to get right to the point

Good - no worries - likewise straight to the point as Yahweh permits.

Clarifying right up front, fast, can help avoid long long long threads, eh ! ?

 

[Noxot]

I think people take life too seriously and I don't like that some people feel a need to slavishly go on and on for little reason. the world in general is against suicide and I think a lot of the reason they are against it has to do with their biological need to survive and because they think that this world is the only life they will have and so the need to stay in the game for as long as possible is stronger in such people.

people who automatically have a negative view of suicide without considering what the person that killed themselves thinks and feels are being selfish and are also reacting naturally over the sorrowful death of someone they had an attachment to.

different people act differently in the world. someone like me likes to talk about ideas. ideas are one of the main driving forces of my personality. whatever a person is like is what will tend to give the reasons for why they are for or against suicide.

it is common to think of suicide as a negative thing but what is not common is considering what some suicidal people consider. there are worse things than death. for instance the death this world keeps on living in. the death of the suicidal person not being strong enough to make the world something worth living for. the death of high and perfect ideals. the death of ancient tribal humanity. the death of finding no where to fit in. the death of being a cog in a machine. the death of being an animal.

so for some suicide is just a door to escape what they no longer wish to go through. there is no reason why a person can't have hope or joy over a person going in the direction that they think is the best possible answer. I feel sorry for the people who think the show must go on no matter what and for those who think that all they will ever get is what they now have.

I wonder how much of me is evil and being lead astray and how much of me is fulfilling their blessed destiny? but being pro suicide can make you more isolated from the ones close to you who don't get it. everyone who thinks of suicide as only a negative puts an extra weight of burden on the suicidal person who cares about their loved ones.

 

[stormdancer0]

When someone comes to me feeling like this, my first impulse is to help them.

Honestly, I would cry out to God, and ask Him to give me the same level of love and compassion for these people as God has given you.

If you cannot forgive others, then God will not forgive you.
Similarly, if you cannot support others emotionally, you will not be supported emotionally.

It does seem very cold-hearted to tell someone in a dark place to keep it to themselves. Why else did God create man not to be alone? We need each other. Perhaps you could try to keep in mind the times that others have helped you, and consider how you would feel if those people told you that they didn't want to hear it. Some people are hard to love, but those are the ones who need unconditional love the most. Try to emulate Christ in reacting to them.

 

[Shadowprophet]

When someone comes to me feeling like this, my first impulse is to help them.

Honestly, I would cry out to God, and ask Him to give me the same level of love and compassion for these people as God has given you.

If you cannot forgive others, then God will not forgive you.
Similarly, if you cannot support others emotionally, you will not be supported emotionally.

It does seem very cold-hearted to tell someone in a dark place to keep it to themselves. Why else did God create man not to be alone? We need each other. Perhaps you could try to keep in mind the times that others have helped you, and consider how you would feel if those people told you that they didn't want to hear it. Some people are hard to love, but those are the ones who need unconditional love the most. Try to emulate Christ in reacting to them.

Is Satan in a dark place? are we to help satan? People really should be wise I think.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Hasatan is darkness, pure evil, destroyer of lives, perpetrator of all that is a lie,
and he loves suicide. He promotes suicide. He encourages suicide and says anything (always a lie) to get people to follow him.

Jesus died a horrible death, willingly born a man, lived and was crucified, died, buried, and resurrected never to die again
to save the deceived people of the world from suicide, from all of Hasatan's lies, from destruction and from death and from the power of death, including from all fear.

Jesus healed / heals/ everyone who came to Him, everyone who comes to Him.
He came and lives to save them forever, if they are willing. Even being willing a gift from the Father in Heaven.

 

[Bobber]

Some backstory on me. I've known people that have committed suicide, I am not the person suicidal people should talk too. It's because, Inside me, I see a suicidal person as a very very selfish and dangerous person.

I'd think you need to consider that as a potential percentage of people thinking suicide. You could never know that as an absolute fact.

It's not that I don't love people. It's just. I see a dangerous person who is deranged enough to hurt themselves. As dangerous to others as well.

Well put it this way they may not be the type of person you want babysitting your children if they're demonstrating an unstable mental state.

So, My question is. people may think I'm heartless. But I've got more heart than people realize. For that one dark individual. he is experiencing hell on earth. But that is the kind of hell people shouldn't force on others.

So if one goes ahead and does it and say it was your friend wouldn't you feel sad that they didn't at least talk to you for encouragement? I mean what are friends for if they can't be with you in difficult times?

IMy thing is. I've seen people do this. I've seen people who were serious about doing it. try to get as much attention as they could before they did it.

Well sure but maybe many did get help. Maybe some of their loved ones and friends were able to encourage them or get them to see a doctor for treatment. In fact not only do I think this I know it having seen various people get help with their family/friends being a support. I mean who hasn't seen this. I think we all have.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I am not the person suicidal people should talk too.

Maybe I am the one to talk to because for me this is very easy and simple. We need to die to self so we can live for God. We need to die to our old self and be born again and a new creation in Christ with the Mind of Christ and the Divine thoughts of God. There is no room for the thoughts of the serpent in any of this.

 

[Mayflower1]

I have been thinking about this topic lately on how much is too much on sharing emotions. I was suicidal and depressed for many years. It was a cry for help telling so many. I saw counselors, went into Celebrate Recovery, only thing that helped me was admitting myself in faith based inpatient programs for three years with people trained to listen. It is tiring. And I do feel bad for those I have hurt by talking so much. But God knows that they did help. And they will reap their reward one day. Because of my past, people come to me. I start falling back to that darkness and have to set boundaries. It is okay to tell someone I cannot help, but let me direct you to someone who can. Because people hurting this badly are just seeking answers and a reason for their pain.

I am so grateful to be alive today. In a roarshock I took first going into this program, it revealed I had a 99.9% suicidal tendency. That is 0% today. I am 100% grateful to be alive.

I don't think you are heartless. I would pray for those depressed and ask God to give you that heart and wisdom how to best help them. Sometimes it is just time and telling the proper people to help.

I do wish a long time ago someone would have taught me that giving it to God sometimes means not to rehash your feelings over and over again to people unless you felt unsafe to the point of being admitted. It is easy to want to dissect depression. But depression is just that. There is not always an answer to our pain except Jesus.

I may not go to the mental health section much on CF anymore, but I do pray. And I know God will work in their lives as He did mine. It is very very hard. Best advice to a depressed/suicidal person is to serve Him while you are waiting. Read scripture and pray. Listen to music. God breathed life into my bones.