Questions about suicidal people

[Shadowprophet]

I don't know how to start this. I know Suicide is a dark topic, But people run into this and I feel people could be better prepared when those situations arise.
I have serious views about suicidal people, This post isn't for everyone if it's for anyone.

Firstly this is a question about seeing people posting disturbingly depressing things every day for months.

I have a friend/acquaintance whom I've known my entire life since grade school. For the last two months, the only posts he makes are extremely dark and depressing, Like really dark stuff. Like posts that would make a person think he was suicidal. I try to talk to him about it. telling him, Whatever has him down. We all go through times like that. So I tell him, Chin, up. Not just Chin up. I tell him, From my point of View. We are 40 years old. It's our job to be examples to our families, I tell him, There are some depths of emotion that are just improper to subject others too. We are supposed to be stronger than that.


Some backstory on me. I've known people that have committed suicide, I am not the person suicidal people should talk too. It's because, Inside me, I see a suicidal person as a very very selfish and dangerous person.

At least in my experience, The people who I have known that did it. They sought other people out to tell them. to ask them selfishly for a help that is impossible to give. full knowing they were going to do it. So in my eyes. they had this darkness. And they wanted to spread it to as many people as they could before they went out.

It's not that I don't love people. It's just. I see a dangerous person who is deranged enough to hurt themselves. As dangerous to others as well. And not just on a physical level, What about those people that they tell? Those people who they share their pain. There is a common theme in suicide. the, (MeMeMe What about ME disease) That seems to just want to spread.

Yeah. I know, By this point, people are looking at me as heartless.

I'm not heartless. I'm one of those people that someone truly suicidal came too, Someone they asked for help. Sometimes, It's beyond our power to help people like that. Sometimes, If someone is suicidal. The only thing that happens is that person in the darkness has become so dark they are going to infect others with that darkness. When they do it anyway in the end.

So, over the years. I've grown to see people who act openly suicidal. are inflicting their pains and darkness onto people. They say help me when they do it. But their darkness. Their sadness. they are still inflicting it on others.

So, My question is. people may think I'm heartless. But I've got more heart than people realize. For that one dark individual. he is experiencing hell on earth. But that is the kind of hell people shouldn't force on others.

And sometimes, I just want to tell people like that that rooms have doors that close for a reason, don't infect others with your spiritual cooties...


If I'm in the wrong, for being so unfeeling. Then so be it. My thing is. I've seen people do this. I've seen people who were serious about doing it. try to get as much attention as they could before they did it. I see an evil transpiring in those things that most people overlook.

That person was hurting. But that person was hurting in ways that can and will hurt others.
So I have negative views of people who get into that mental state.

No matter how one looks at it. A suicidal mental state is not the Mind and heart of God. Something bad. Something evil is going on when people get into that frame of mind. So yeah. I look at suicidal people as a danger to others.

 

[Neogaia777]

I'm not suicidal, but my posts, only some of them, have been on some darker topics of late, (Satan/demons ect)... (Mental disorders and problems, ect), and I don't like to share them or that kind of stuff, cause I know it can be kinda infectious at times, but it is also the truth, and is for the sake of truth, and is for people and people like myself to know themselves a little better...

I've kind of felt like I am being forced to talk about some of that stuff of late...

I do want to be heard, and I want to leave something behind, (like the truth) in case I do go one day, but I do not want to be heard for the attention it brings to me, and not just only for my own sake either, but the sake of others knowing the truth...

And, I am sorry and I apologize if what I've been discussing of late, if others have identified or related to it/them, I can only say that it must be some kind of truth or some truth to it, if people are, or do...

But, not all my posts have been of that nature of late either, cause I've also been talking about Love, and goodness, and kindness, ect, also...

I'm aware how infectious ideas can be, and have tried to use it to infect mostly good, most of the time though...

Anyway, is this in any way directed at me at all...?

God Bless!

 

[fat wee robin]

I don't know how to start this. I know Suicide is a dark topic, But people run into this and I feel people could be better prepared when those situations arise.
I have serious views about suicidal people, This post isn't for everyone if it's for anyone.

Firstly this is a question about seeing people posting disturbingly depressing things every day for months.

I have a friend/acquaintance whom I've known my entire life since grade school. For the last two months, the only posts he makes are extremely dark and depressing, Like really dark stuff. Like posts that would make a person think he was suicidal. I try to talk to him about it. telling him, Whatever has him down. We all go through times like that. So I tell him, Chin, up. Not just Chin up. I tell him, From my point of View. We are 40 years old. It's our job to be examples to our families, I tell him, There are some depths of emotion that are just improper to subject others too. We are supposed to be stronger than that.
FAT WEE ROBIN
This may the worst post I have ever read .When someone tells you they are suicidal what do you do ,what do you say ? Do you say you are praying for them ,that you love them ,that they should
speak to a pastor ,priest ,or maybe someone on the help suicide line etc ?

Telling him ,your friend ,to be an example is not a good thing at this time ,but LOVE ,unconditional
love which they have missed out along the line on is why most think of suicide .
Until humanity learns to Love instead condemn we will continue to destroy ourselves . end of FWR


Some backstory on me. I've known people that have committed suicide, I am not the person suicidal people should talk too. It's because, Inside me, I see a suicidal person as a very very selfish and dangerous person.

At least in my experience, The people who I have known that did it. They sought other people out to tell them. to ask them selfishly for a help that is impossible to give. full knowing they were going to do it. So in my eyes. they had this darkness. And they wanted to spread it to as many people as they could before they went out.

It's not that I don't love people. It's just. I see a dangerous person who is deranged enough to hurt themselves. As dangerous to others as well. And not just on a physical level, What about those people that they tell? Those people who they share their pain. There is a common theme in suicide. the, (MeMeMe What about ME disease) That seems to just want to spread.

Yeah. I know, By this point, people are looking at me as heartless.

I'm not heartless. I'm one of those people that someone truly suicidal came too, Someone they asked for help. Sometimes, It's beyond our power to help people like that. Sometimes, If someone is suicidal. The only thing that happens is that person in the darkness has become so dark they are going to infect others with that darkness. When they do it anyway in the end.

So, over the years. I've grown to see people who act openly suicidal. are inflicting their pains and darkness onto people. They say help me when they do it. But their darkness. Their sadness. they are still inflicting it on others.

So, My question is. people may think I'm heartless. But I've got more heart than people realize. For that one dark individual. he is experiencing hell on earth. But that is the kind of hell people shouldn't force on others.

And sometimes, I just want to tell people like that that rooms have doors that close for a reason, don't infect others with your spiritual cooties...


If I'm in the wrong, for being so unfeeling. Then so be it. My thing is. I've seen people do this. I've seen people who were serious about doing it. try to get as much attention as they could before they did it. I see an evil transpiring in those things that most people overlook.

That person was hurting. But that person was hurting in ways that can and will hurt others.
So I have negative views of people who get into that mental state.

No matter how one looks at it. A suicidal mental state is not the Mind and heart of God. Something bad. Something evil is going on when people get into that frame of mind. So yeah. I look at suicidal people as a danger to others.

My post got mixed in with yours .

 

[W2L]

How are suicidal people dangerous? How do they threaten you? What makes them dangerous?

 

[W2L]

Are suicidal thoughts the same as despairing of life?

2 Corinthians 1:8 For we do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, of our trouble which came to us in Asia: that we were burdened beyond measure, above strength, so that we despaired even of life.

 

[Shadowprophet]

Are suicidal thoughts the same as despairing of life?

2 Corinthians 1:8 For we do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, of our trouble which came to us in Asia: that we were burdened beyond measure, above strength, so that we despaired even of life.

Some people I have encountered in my time are people who have this darkness in them. we have to look at our own spirits at times. We have to assess what is Godly and what isn't. I feel that people who rush to help suicidal people should be professionals, Most people are not mentally equipped to handle situations like that. Honestly, rushing in thinking you have all the right advice for a suicidal person can be quite damaging. My point to all of this, As a Christian, We should first realize that if someone has come to a point of contemplating suicide, something is wrong, I am pointing out, that, not many people are equipped to help or handle that situation. It's a very serious kind of situation and sometimes, Just empathizing with the person will not help. We as Christians are geared to help people, But This is a serious topic with serious repercussions if someone gives the wrong advice to a person in that mental state. Simply, Yeah. Those people need help, But people need to realize, Not everyone is equipped to handle those situations, Those people who are not equipped to help those people in those delicate conditions. should not...

 

[W2L]

Some people I have encountered in my time are people who have this darkness in them. we have to look at our own spirits at times. We have to assess what is Godly and what isn't. I feel that people who rush to help suicidal people should be professionals, Most people are not mentally equipped to handle situations like that. Honestly, rushing in thinking you have all the right advice for a suicidal person can be quite damaging. My point to all of this, As a Christian, We should first realize that if someone has come to a point of contemplating suicide, something is wrong, I am pointing out, that, not many people are equipped to help or handle that situation. It's a very serious kind of situation and sometimes, Just empathizing with the person will not help. We as Christians are geared to help people, But This is a serious topic with serious repercussions if someone gives the wrong advice to a person in that mental state. Simply, Yeah. Those people need help, But people need to realize, Not everyone is equipped to handle those situations, Those people who are not equipped to help those people in those delicate conditions. should not...

Showing love to such people is never wrong. Ignoring them is damaging, imo.

 

[W2L]

Of course if you dont have anything loving to say, then by all means its better to ignore them.

 

[Shadowprophet]

Showing love to such people is never wrong. Ignoring them is damaging, imo.

I've tried to help people like that. I can tell you from experience. Giving them the wrong advice is the worst thing you can do.

 

[Shadowprophet]

Of course if you dont have anything loving to say, then by all means its better to ignore them.

That's an incorrect assumption. As a truly loving person would see how serious the situation is and seek the proper help for the individual.

 

[W2L]

I've tried to help people like that. I can tell you from experience. Giving them the wrong advice is the worst thing you can do.

All we can do is love people when they are down, and pray for them. Try to be a friend.

 

[W2L]

That's an incorrect assumption. As a truly loving person would see how serious the situation is and seek the proper help for the individual.

I never suggested that its wrong to tell them to seek professional help. Im just saying we can also do more by not ignoring their suffering but instead trying to be their friend.;

 

[drjean]

Suicidal people, among others, are energy zappers/sappers, and yes, one must guard their own Spirit energy or be drained and unable to perform the work of Christ.

Anger breeds depression which breeds suicidal ideation. Surely not the mind of Christ. Once into that dark spiral it's a downward path. To get out of the "stinking thinking" as some have called it, one must turn their eyes and focus totally on God and His love and goodness, praising Him in spite of how they "feel". Paul often fell into depression and pulled back out by what James says is to "count it all joy".

It's easy to count it joy when things are going well.... but trusting God no matter what is key when things are not seeming so great.

Feelings are not truth; feelings lie to us. Modern neurobiology has proven that what you think is what you get...so when in a downward spiral, you feed it more negative and the darker you go. Thinking on the things that good, pure, etc and praising God will bring one up out of that by actually changing brain chemicals, brain cells.

The neuroplasticity of the brain is part of our being marvelously made.

What we can do is be careful of our wording when we share with them, as their brain in the dark hears only the negative words. Phrases such as "snap out of it" and the like makes things feel worse. We need to validate that they are sure feeling bad, that things do look pretty grim to them right now...but God can and will change things...we need to trust Him. They haven't always felt so depressed, and they won't in the future either...

 

[Shadowprophet]

I never suggested that its wrong to tell them to seek professional. Im just saying we can also do more by not ignoring their suffering but instead trying to be their friend.;

I think the reason we see it differently is my personal experiences. I've had people come to me and talk to me about it before they did it. I tried my best to help them, In the end. they did it anyway. it left me with years of thinking, What if I had said this, or what if I had done that. When I realized, there was nothing anyone could do. Sometimes, people just want to share that they are checking out, It's Dark, But it's part of life and living, you will run into those people sometimes.

 

[W2L]

I think the reason we see it differently is my personal experiences. I've had people come to me and talk to me about it before they did it. I tried my best to help them, In the end. they did it anyway.

I have had that happen as well.

 

[W2L]

Suicidal people, among others, are energy zappers/sappers, and yes, one must guard their own Spirit energy or be drained and unable to perform the work of Christ.

Thats true. Also people who don't contemplate suicide, they can drain you as well. Look at all the ugly debates we see on CF. Ugh. Talk about zapping a persons strength and joy.

 

[Shadowprophet]

Thats true. Also people who don't contemplate suicide, they can drain you as well. Look at all the ugly debates we see on CF. Ugh. Talk about zapping a persons strength and joy.

Is it possible that within the realm of being a Christian that two people can walk entirely different paths? From where I view it. in my path. I abstain from people and communication. I am isolated. But I do this for a really justified reason, I am abstaining from the world and its desires. I pray a lot, I come on here for fellowship. But the path I walk is almost that Of a hermit. I tend to avoid negativity and darkness as a spiritual habit. So my view on things like that is to avoid them. rather than confront them.

 

[Hearingheart]

Such a multi layered topic.

It's only with the guidance of the Holy Spirit that one knows how to minister to someone considering suicide and what brought them to that frame of mind.

Sometimes professional help is warranted, sometimes just listening. I'm afraid I'm not always the best one to talk to, either, because I tend to be a practical, no nonsense type person so I have a hard time putting up with drama and bs.

I've known depression and I've known someone who committed suicide. I really think that those who make the most noise about it are really just looking for help and love. It's the ones that don't say a word and outwardly seem fine that send shock waves into the community.

 

[W2L]

Is it possible that within the realm of being a Christian that two people can walk entirely different paths? From where I view it. in my path. I abstain from people and communication. I am isolated. But I do this for a really justified reason, I am abstaining from the world and its desires. I pray a lot, I come on here for fellowship. But the path I walk is almost that Of a hermit. I tend to avoid negativity and darkness as a spiritual habit. So my view on things like that is to avoid them. rather than confront them.

For the most part, those debates seem futile anyway.

 

[W2L]

Such a multi layered topic.

It's only with the guidance of the Holy Spirit that one knows how to minister to someone considering suicide and what brought them to that frame of mind.

Sometimes professional help is warranted, sometimes just listening. I'm afraid I'm not always the best one to talk to, either, because I tend to be a practical, no nonsense type person so I have a hard time putting up with drama and bs.

I've known depression and I've known someone who committed suicide. I really think that those who make the most noise about it are really just looking for help and love. It's the ones that don't say a word and outwardly seem fine that send shock waves into the community.

Sometimes a person has so much pain inside that their words reflect it. I was suicidal although i didnt really want to die. I just didnt want to live this way any more. So in a way i can understand such people who talk about suicide. Its their pain crying out, imo.