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Why in small quantity?

I drink a lot of silk soy milk because it helps soothe my stomach. Is that bad?
Large quantity of soy is generally not recommended.
http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2005nl/april/050400soypfnopopups.htm

I'd only get the soy milk in the Asian market that's bottled. Soy milk was originally made in China only by grinding the water-soaked soy beans. No heating process.

Why no heated soy?
It has something to do with heat changes the chemical compound of soy. I'll dig up some study on this.
 
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Large quantity of soy is generally not recommended.
http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2005nl/april/050400soypfnopopups.htm

I'd only get the soy milk in the Asian market that's bottled. Soy milk was originally made in China only by grinding the water-soaked soy beans. No heating process.


It has something to do with heat changes the chemical compound of soy. I'll dig up some study on this.

What I got out of that article was that consuming small quantities of soy is not bad for you. Isolated soy protein, soy protein concentrate, etc., are the things to avoid. Things made with whole soybeans may actually have some health benefits. I didn't see anything that warned against heating soy. In fact, I noted this portion:

Argument 1: Anti-nutrients

Detrimental: Soy contains “anti-nutrients,” which interfere with the digestion of proteins (trypsin inhibitors) and the absorption of minerals (phytic acid).

Beneficial: These “anti-nutrient” substances are deactivated by cooking and fermentation. Cooking before consumption is not unique to soybeans – no other beans, peas, or lentils are eaten “raw.” Although adverse effects on experimental animals have been demonstrated, there is no direct evidence as to the physiological effects of the trypsin inhibitors on humans.2 Interestingly, Phytic acid has anticancer effects in animal models for both colon and breast cancer.3
There are lots of anti-soy web sites out there, and they talk about many of the issues addressed in this article (which I thought was fairly reasonable). From what I've read, it seems that cooking soybeans actually deactivates some of the potentially harmful substances in soy. I believe that it's most important to avoid eating processed, packaged soy products, to eat only things made with whole soybeans (I buy organic, non-GMO soybeans), and to eat them in limited amounts.
 
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What I got out of that article was that consuming small quantities of soy is not bad for you. Isolated soy protein, soy protein concentrate, etc., are the things to avoid. Things made with whole soybeans may actually have some health benefits. I didn't see anything that warned against heating soy. In fact, I noted this portion:

There are lots of anti-soy web sites out there, and they talk about many of the issues addressed in this article (which I thought was fairly reasonable). From what I've read, it seems that cooking soybeans actually deactivates some of the potentially harmful substances in soy. I believe that it's most important to avoid eating processed, packaged soy products, to eat only things made with whole soybeans (I buy organic, non-GMO soybeans), and to eat them in limited amounts.

I might as well continue eating meat then.
 
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I might as well continue eating meat then.

Well, it would also be a good idea to limit that. Too much protein in any form interferes with the body's absorption of certain nutrients (particularly calcium). The reason that I don't eat meat, though, is the dangers of disease, antibiotics, growth hormones, etc. If you are going to eat meat, I would recommend buying organic, kosher meat.
 
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Well, it would also be a good idea to limit that. Too much protein in any form interferes with the body's absorption of certain nutrients (particularly calcium). The reason that I don't eat meat, though, is the dangers of disease, antibiotics, growth hormones, etc. If you are going to eat meat, I would recommend buying organic, kosher meat.

What's sad is that I can't even drink my silk milk anymore, since I have to drink large quantities of it to help with my stomach acid problem. This is bad news!
 
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What's sad is that I can't even drink my silk milk anymore, since I have to drink large quantities of it to help with my stomach acid problem. This is bad news!

Maybe if it helps you with that problem, the benefits outweigh the possible negative factors for you.
 
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What's sad is that I can't even drink my silk milk anymore, since I have to drink large quantities of it to help with my stomach acid problem. This is bad news!

Have you tried rice milk? My stomach takes rice milk alot better than the silk milk. Also try the other kind from the Asian market. Just make sure soy consumption is in moderation.
 
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Hey folks, while we are on the health message, I would like to ask you to remember and inform others: limit your exposure to the sun!

I was not much of a sun bather, I sun bathed moderately and lived in Key West 6 months. Anyway at 35 I have a "precursor" to skin cancer on my shoulder.
:sigh: I have some other spots which I thought were suspicious but didn't have her check at this last office visit, but her first question after looking at the spot on my shoulder was my exposure to the sun.
My exposure is pretty limited when you look at it, but the sun did it's damage.
 
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Have you tried rice milk? My stomach takes rice milk alot better than the silk milk. Also try the other kind from the Asian market. Just make sure soy consumption is in moderation.

Well, with the Silk Milk I usually consume about 32 ounces a day.

Come to think of it though, I recall when I used to drink Rice Dream, it had a soothing effect in my stomach. I'll try it again.

The reason why I switched to Silk Milk was because I was under the impression that it is very good for a person's health. I guess I was wrong.
 
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Well, with the Silk Milk I usually consume about 32 ounces a day.

Come to think of it though, I recall when I used to drink Rice Dream, it had a soothing effect in my stomach. I'll try it again.

The reason why I switched to Silk Milk was because I was under the impression that it is very good for a person's health. I guess I was wrong.

Soy used to be the rage too...:sigh:
 
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Hey folks, while we are on the health message, I would like to ask you to remember and inform others: limit your exposure to the sun!

I was not much of a sun bather, I sun bathed moderately and lived in Key West 6 months. Anyway at 35 I have a "precursor" to skin cancer on my shoulder.
:sigh: I have some other spots which I thought were suspicious but didn't have her check at this last office visit, but her first question after looking at the spot on my shoulder was my exposure to the sun.
My exposure is pretty limited when you look at it, but the sun did it's damage.

Thanks for the warning. I hope you were able to catch these spots soon enough to avoid further problems. :prayer:

Sometimes I feel so discouraged because it seems as if everything we eat or do is bad for us anymore. :sigh:
 
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everything we eat or do is bad for us anymore. :sigh:

Yeah, it really is getting to be ridiculous.

But on a positive note, eternity in heaven isn't that far away for anyone who believes in Jesus Christ. There we will enjoy the fruit of the tree of life!
 
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Hey folks, while we are on the health message, I would like to ask you to remember and inform others: limit your exposure to the sun!

I was not much of a sun bather, I sun bathed moderately and lived in Key West 6 months. Anyway at 35 I have a "precursor" to skin cancer on my shoulder. :sigh: I have some other spots which I thought were suspicious but didn't have her check at this last office visit, but her first question after looking at the spot on my shoulder was my exposure to the sun.
My exposure is pretty limited when you look at it, but the sun did it's damage.

If that's the case, you should definitely avoid animal product. Cooking high protein food produces protein carcinogens which promote cancer. Also all animal products (including dairy products) are acidic in nature, they help speeding up the binary growth of the cancer cells. Your diet should consist of carbonhydrate, vegetables and fruits.

Get these two videos from modernmanna.com. They will definitely help.
http://www.modernmanna.org/products_view.asp?ID=VC01-19
http://www.modernmanna.org/products_view.asp?ID=VC03-11
 
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You folks get this question 100+ times, but I would like to know, for anyone who used to eat meat but became a vegetarian, what convicted you and how was the change? How do you feel now?

If you changed for religious reasons, how do you reconcile the fact that Jesus ate Passover lamb? I am not asking that to be disrespectful, I would just like a thought filled dialogue on the matter.

I recall a TSDA vegan once condemning me to hell for eating meat. I brought up the very same thing you have here, that Christ himself ate the Passover lamb and fish.

Her response?

"Well, Christ didn't have the full knowledge of the health message. He was only living up to the light He had."

:eek: ^_^

Yes, she was serious.

I guess someone should inform our Savior that there was a huge mistake and He was supposed to be disqualified from translation for partaking of lambchops and fishsticks.
 
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I don't think there's anything wrong with being a vegetarian or a vegan for health reasons. I don't eat meat myself, but I don't care if other people do. Our salvation is not dependent on whether we eat meat or cheese. This is just one of those things that I think we should avoid judging each other on either way.
 
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Hey folks, while we are on the health message, I would like to ask you to remember and inform others: limit your exposure to the sun!

I was not much of a sun bather, I sun bathed moderately and lived in Key West 6 months. Anyway at 35 I have a "precursor" to skin cancer on my shoulder.
:sigh: I have some other spots which I thought were suspicious but didn't have her check at this last office visit, but her first question after looking at the spot on my shoulder was my exposure to the sun.
My exposure is pretty limited when you look at it, but the sun did it's damage.
Hi catlover- there is actually no 'true' scientic research that says the sun causes cancer. In the natural health world-we know that God gave us the sun for the 'benefit' of man--not his harm. The true research has shown that it's the poisons under our skin that react with the sun that is causing cancers AND the use of sunscreens.

Demongraphic research also has shown that those ppl living in equator countries don't get skin cancers at the same rate as the developed 'sun' countries do. So again--it's all about the diet. Get the poison's out and the nutrition in--and your chances of staying healthy become much greater.

PS--I am a colon hydrotherapist and I can tell you from 8 yrs experience that the waste material of someone who's diet is animal based and those who's are plant based are very much different. You can guess who's is better!!!

Now before the gainsayers attack this post--let's remember that we do live in a polluted world-and all our best efforts may not always be enough. But God has given us a wonderful health message and IF we obey it-then His blessing is upon our efforts!
 
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I first must ask a question. Why is it that there is almost no topic under the sun that doesn't engender debate, especially amoung SDAs?

I will re-establish the original qustion followed by some answers that I have first hand knowledge of their accuracy.
"You folks get this question 100+ times, but I would like to know, for anyone who used to eat meat but became a vegetarian, what convicted you and how was the change? How do you feel now?

If you changed for religious reasons, how do you reconcile the fact that Jesus ate Passover lamb? I am not asking that to be disrespectful, I would just like a thought filled dialogue on the matter."
"A couple of years ago I saw a PETA poster showing a cute little pig looking over a fence with the caption: "Did your lunch have a face?" It stabbed me in the heart, so to speak, and I haven't eaten meat since. From that point on I vowed not to eat anything with a face. Now I not only feel better, but my conscience is clear."
Yvonne, 2005

A simular answer was given by Bob Barker, host of the TV game show "The Price Is Right" several yeas ago. He also currenty attributes his longevity and good health to his vegetarian diet. He is retiring as a game show host this year after being on CBS for 50 years.

"After a few years of being employed in the meat packing industry, I came to the conclusion that I didn't want to eat diseased, unsanitary, garbage." Manson, 1950
From a strictly clinical standpoint there are more than enough reaons that could be given to write a fairly large book. I serve on a diabetic advisory counsel for two local hospitals that are trying to get cirtification from the American Diabetes Association. The two greatest contributing factors to diabetes are poor dietary habits, and a lack of excerise. Funny thing though is the fact that every single reason for better dietary habits and excerise related to diabetes also have been shown to have a direct bearing on almost every known health problem. When I first told the rest of the staff, including our own RD, that overall health could be improved without the consumption of flesh foods there were several raised eyebrows. Since I made that statement, and finding that it was true, the hospitals are now offering healthful cooking classes with an emphisis on vegetarian meat replacements.

As for Christ eating fish and lamb, just let me make one observation. I doubt that you can find a single scientist, no mater if they be Christian or athiest, that would not agree that our entire food system has degenerated greatly since Christ life time. Today everything in our entire ecosystem is polluted. Do you really need anything more than common sense to stay away from something that has been proven to be debtrimental to our health?

While it is true that meat eating won't keep you out of heaven, it also won't keep you out of the grave, or improve your quality of life on this earth.

Some suggetions for some of the points raised;
For those who are lactose intollerant; The addition of lactobacilus acidophilus (required in the digestive tract of all mamels for wellbeing) to the diet in the form of tabs or caps is greatly recomended. An excellent natural source for acidophilus is yoguret. It is also recomended for anyone who is on an antibiotic therapy of any kind even if it is of short duration.

For better overall digestion, especialy the digestion of proteins, everyone can benefit from papaya enzyme. Paypaya enzyme not only improves overal digestion it also helps to stablize the natural ph balance. In addition, it also reduces gas build up from traditional "gassy" foods.

honnorthesabbath, you said "there actually is no 'true' scientific research that says the sun causes cancer."
Its quite posible that I need an explination for 'true', however there is a mountain of clinical evidence that documents the causal relationship of the sun to skin cancers.

If anyone has questions please feel free to ask.

Respectfully,
Doc
 
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i really think its the garbage in put in our bodies plugging everything up and dehydrating ourselves with caffeine and coffee. umm yah caffeine can be accessed through many products. but the bottom line is all the junk they put in our food breaks down our immune system making some of us more susceptible to the sunlights radiation ( hydration is key in good skin health)
 
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