Questions About Hell

FineLinen said:

Dear brother Crazy: I will join you in the Crazy Fellowship of those who actually believe our Father accomplishes His complete intention. He is not content to do only miracles, He allows nothing from those miraculous events to be lost, Nothing!

Whose will prevails?

The Creator or the created?

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Let's boast in being Christ's fools together brother!

FineLinen said:

1. Is God a changeable being? (James 1:17)

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From our perspective in time, Jesus was born, died, and resurrected.
There was change involved.

FineLinen said:

If God hates the sinner, does the sinner do wrong in hating Him?

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Trick question.

God loves sinners.

SkyWriting said:

From our perspective in time, Jesus was born, died, and resurrected.
There was change involved.

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Yes, God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself.

The earth changes like clay under seal (but remains flat and motionless).

FineLinen said:

Dear Smithy: You stated....

"Your right, it is His will that all men be saved. He allows us to choose. Him or not."

Follow the bouncing ball Smithy.

"You

did not

choose Me..."

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No I don't choose You.

I choose to live for Christ. For me to die is Christ, to live is gain.

Saint Steven said:

What do you like best about hell? (since it is so dear to you)

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Okay, I see that being insulting is okay by you. Well. I won't go there.

There is nothing good about Hell.

What is good though is to tell the truth about it. Just as Christ did. Like Him, I don't want anyone to go there. Just telling people that God is all about the Love and emotions and the wishy washy way most postmodern people teach, isn't how Christ taught.

He told the truth. Because He is the truth.

You don't like Hell, neither do I. If you don't like it, then try to keep people from going there. How?

By telling them the truth.

That no body is good enough to get into Heaven. Not one of us.
No body can be. You can't get to heaven through your works, you can be the nicest person in the world. But if you haven't repented of your sins...your still have sin in your life.

You still haven't answered my question.

What does God save us from?

smithed64 said:

No I don't choose You.

I choose to live for Christ. For me to die is Christ, to live is gain.

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Oops. I think you meant...
For me to live is Christ, to die is gain. (just sayin')

smithed64 said:

You still haven't answered my question.

What does God save us from?

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Painful restoration.

Shrewd Manager said:

So when Hosea sells it all to buy back his worthless harlot bride who's rejected him, that's allowing her to choose? When God sends his suffering servant to liberate the captives, free the slaves and restore sight to the blind, that allows them to choose? Can the clay say 'nyetski' to the potter? Can the V8 refuse to be souped up? Das ist nicht!

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No she had no choice, He did, but he choose to Obey God.
Jesus wasn't God's suffering servant. He was His Son. Jesus choose to Obey His father's will.
Clay can't speak, so no it can't say 'nevermind' to the potter.
Again, V8 is a mix of veggies, they also can't determine where they are going to be.



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This is more the case of someone running towards a cliff. 'You do know there's a cliff?', you inquire. 'Why, I refuse to believe', they respond as they gallop gaily gravewards. What does love do there? YOU JUMP UP AND TACKLE THE IDIOT TO THE GROUND! [/quote]

And that my friend is exactly what I am doing. I follow the scriptures and love this saying from Charles Spurgeon.

“If sinners be damned, at least let them leap to Hell over our dead bodies. And if they perish, let them perish with our arms wrapped about their knees, imploring them to stay. If Hell must be filled, let it be filled in the teeth of our exertions, and let not one go unwarned and unprayed for.” Charles Spurgeon

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Nope, He loves us with a passion and commitment beyond our imagining. Jealous protective fatherly husbandly, friendship love. Unbreakable. Consider the extremes to which He goes to get that message across.[/quote]

I do consider that. That's why I also will go to extremes to spread the Gospel. Because He did.

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Man, ya gotta get it. This is true love. It's so dynamic and powerful it will move heaven and earth to save us. Passionate, tender, devoted, consistent, all-consuming, self-sacrificial, ever-forgiving etc. He is the source of all these awesome gifts. That's the FIRE of His love, from the core of His being. Heart and soul.[/QUOTE]

His true love, was the Death and resurrection. Yes.
His Greatest Love, that you and I may be saved. That unmerited salvation. He gives us something we don't deserve.
If we all got what we deserved, it would be Hell. Because we aren't good enough, nor perfect enough, nor righteous enough. His love is so great that He'd never force us to serve Him. It's also so great He continues to give us chance after chance to believe in Him, Repent of our sins, and place our trust in Him.

Saint Steven said:

Painful restoration.

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Sorry brother, No.

What did Christ experience on the Cross for us?

Saint Steven said:

Oops. I think you meant...
For me to live is Christ, to die is gain. (just sayin')

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Thank you, no coffee yet this morning...LOL.

smithed64 said:

Sorry brother, No.

What did Christ experience on the Cross for us?

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Let's see, you want me to say, "Sin.", so you can promote holiness?

Saint Steven said:

Let's see, you want me to say, "Sin.", so you can promote holiness?

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I do promote holiness, because God does.

1 Peter 1:15-16 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
15 but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior; 16 because it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.”

Your partly correct. Many say the same thing. But forget one of the toughest things He went thru for us.

One of the things Christ said on the cross was "Father, Father, why have thou forsaken me?"

He didn't mean that God completely left Him, that wouldn't happen.
But what we do know about the crucifixion..is that Christ bore our sins on the cross, yet he never did sin.
God hates sin, he doesn't even want to look at it.
As we sin, we do so against God, directly. And we store His wrath against us because of it.

Romans 2:5
But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God,

Jesus, took the full wrath of God while on the cross. That is what He saves us from. So that we would never have to face an Angry God.

This is why i tell people the truth about sin and Hell. Because it's real, Christ believed it, He preached it and He said for us to Repent. Who are we to do differently than Him? The one who did it all for us.

smithed64 said:

I do promote holiness, because God does.

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Maybe I have the gift of prophecy. - lol

Saint Steven said: ↑
Let's see, you want me to say, "Sin.", so you can promote holiness?

smithed64 said:

I do promote holiness, because God does.

1 Peter 1:15-16 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
15 but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior; 16 because it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.”

Your partly correct. Many say the same thing. But forget one of the toughest things He went thru for us.

One of the things Christ said on the cross was "Father, Father, why have thou forsaken me?"

He didn't mean that God completely left Him, that wouldn't happen.
But what we do know about the crucifixion..is that Christ bore our sins on the cross, yet he never did sin.
God hates sin, he doesn't even want to look at it.
As we sin, we do so against God, directly. And we store His wrath against us because of it.

Romans 2:5
But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God,

Jesus, took the full wrath of God while on the cross. That is what He saves us from. So that we would never have to face an Angry God.

This is why i tell people the truth about sin and Hell. Because it's real, Christ believed it, He preached it and He said for us to Repent. Who are we to do differently than Him? The one who did it all for us.

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I see you are single, so you probably don't have any children.
Parents don't hate their children for having a runny nose and a dirty diaper.
A good parent cleans their kid up and goes on with life.
I'm pretty sure our heavenly Father is like that.

smithed64 said:

God hates sin, he doesn't even want to look at it.

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Not sure where you get this idea.
God is omniscient. (all knowing) He is fully aware of everything we do.

smithed64 said:

Jesus, took the full wrath of God while on the cross. That is what He saves us from. So that we would never have to face an Angry God.

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Since that is true, what is the purpose of hell?
When Jesus endured the FULL wrath of God, was there any wrath left to give?

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Jesus, took the full wrath of God while on the cross. That is what He saves us from. So that we would never have to face an Angry God.

FineLinen said:

Would the infliction of endless punishment be overcoming evil with good?

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"Punishment" is a poor translation. It's actually a cause and effect situation.
You can't reject God....and get saved by the God you've rejected.

SkyWriting said:

You can't reject God....and get saved by the God you've rejected.

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It seems that this happens all the time.

Will all Israel be saved?

John 1:11
He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him.