Questions About Hell

FineLinen said:

Dear Smithy: The ONLY passage of Scripture that speaks of "everlasting punishment/ aionios kolasis" and you will not state the requirements for the same? I am shocked!

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I did state the requirement.

Those who do not repent of their sins. And die in those sins. Recieve Eternal punishment.
Just as those who do repent of their sins and follow, trust and obey Christ. Will recieve Eternal life with Him.

It's quite simple really.

FineLinen said:

Dear Smithy: Unfortunately you refuse to state the qualifications for "everlasting punishment/aionios kolasis " according to the Master the Lord Jesus Christ! Just dig deep and do it and then we will discuss the pure virgins, the Master's investors, and the two clean animals of sheep and goats.

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There is one (1) passage of Canon for “everlasting punishment” (Matt.25). This one single verse is the cornerstone for the proponents of unending punishment.

According to the context of St. Matthew 25 and ONLY the context, please fill in the empty lines.

The foundation for “everlasting punishment” Matt. 25=

1.________________________________________?

2.________________________________________?

3.________________________________________?

4.________________________________________?

5.________________________________________?

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I will repeat this one last time.

There is only one way, not to go to Eternal Punishment.

If you lie. your a liar
If you create your own god. Then you broke the first commandment. to have not other gods, before Jehovah God.
If you worship idols. Whether it be an object or a person. Then your and idolator
If you dishonor your parents. Then you are a shame to them.
If you steal. Your a thief, no matter how much or where you get it from.
If you look at someone with lust. You are an adulterer.
If you hate your brother. You are a murderer and there is no eternal life in you at all.
If you kill or murder. Then you are a murderer.
If you covet. Then you have done all that is above. Coveting covers a huge spectrum of things you aught not do.
Most of all.
If you do these things. You break the one that these things hinge upon.
You break.
You should love your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind and with all your strength
The second is you shall love your neighbor as yourself.
There is no other commandment greater than these.

If you are at fault with just one of these commandments. You are at fault with all of them.
These are the things you aught not do. These are the sins that are covered under the lust of the flesh and pride of life.
If you do these things, then you have transgressed God's law. The very definition of sin.
And you live in darkness without the light.

Yet there is hope, there is salvation.
You must repent, place your trust in Christ, the same as having confidence in Him that He will do exactly as He said He would do. Forgive you of your sins. Justify you through His righteousness. Cleansing you with His Blood that was shed on Calvary.

There is only one requirement for Eternal life. Jesus Christ.
There is only one requirement for Eternal punishment. Rejecting Jesus Christ.
You can be the nicest person in the world, donate all the money you have, build homes for all the poor, Yet if you don't have love. You have nothing at all. If you don't have God, who is love and is Christ.
You have nothing.

So I gave you more than the five you wanted. Because some of those people did obey the commandments of God. 1st, Got invited to the wedding feast. 2nd, Was obedient and spread the Good news of the Master and was rewarded according to their deeds. and 3rd. Obeyed the commandments and feed, clothed and loved their neighbors as themselves. They were rewarded according to their deeds.

Those who disobeyed were shut out, cast out, and sent out to eternal punishment.

smithed64 said:

If you do none of that. You are not saved according to the Word of God. Not me. I didn't say it. God did.

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What is "the Word of God"?

smithed64 said:

What lies?

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The lies about eternal conscious torment in a forever burning hell with no hope of escape.
The lies about God only electing a few to predestine to salvation while damning the vast majority. Those lies.

smithed64 said:

Your right. If i'm understanding your statement rightly.
It was never the intent for God to put any one in Hell. His intent was to have a relationship with us eternally. That's why He hates sin. Because it separates us from Him. Remember: For all have sinned and have fallen short of the Glory of God.

God's grace and love are awesome.

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We are mostly in agreement. (see bold above)

Since God's intent was to have a relationship with us eternally, as you say, will he succeed, or fail miserably?

If what we have been told about hell is true, he will fail miserably. Right?

smithed64 said:

Obeyed the commandments and feed, clothed and loved their neighbors as themselves.

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Where is the commandment to feed and clothe your neighbor?

Saint Steven said:

The lies about eternal conscious torment in a forever burning hell with no hope of escape.
The lies about God only electing a few to predestine to salvation while damning the vast majority. Those lies.

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Then what is this?

Matthew 25: 41-46. Christ not only mentions it once...v. 41, he mentions it again in v. 46

Your not calling me a liar, I know. Because I don't say it. God does.
So, your calling Him a liar.

Predestination, is true. It's biblical. But I do believe man can't fully understand it. Because choice is also true and biblical. They contradict each other. If things are predetermined, that only a few are picked out, then those few are like programmed robots and will live for God no matter what they do. But the moment they make a choice to not to or to do. You are no longer predetermined, you've stepped into free will.

I agree with what Spurgeon had to say about predestination and choice.
He says that they are both True and Biblical, so therefore He believes them, as I do. But doesn't understand them enough to tie Man to them. This takes many hours of Studying God's Word, with prayer and fasting. Asking God to open our eyes, heart, soul, mind and body for the knowledge to understand what He wants us to know about these things.
I also agree that God, would not just save a few and damn the rest. Because It is His will for all men to be saved. Even though He knows that many won't be, because of their selfish pride and the love of sin and the world they have.

The closest I have come, personally to help me to understand predestination is using Choice.

Ravi Zacharais Once said something that Hit a nerve with me. In a good way.

He said, " God permits us to makes choices, by His permissive Will. But he doesn't in any way at all give us control of the consequences of those choices."

So, God's permissive will allows us to choose.
God's sovereign will controls the consequences of those choices. That is predetermined. He already knows what we will choose. Out of the Hundreds of choices that are placed before us. He knows the outcome of all of those hundreds. So, He is never surprised or caught of guard by what choice we make because He already knows the answer.

That's the closest I can get to help me at this time. I pray that God will open my mind and heart more to learn more about it. He will. He wants us to learn and know more about Him. I believe that.

But if I don't learn it while i'm visiting this ol world. When I go to be home with Him, I will see things much more clearly. Because then I will know what He knows. Just like all the rest of His Children.
Because as Paul says, "I look into a mirror more dimly"

1 Corinthians 13:12
For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then i will know fully just as i also have been fully known.

So, we may not understand completely what God means about predestination... it doesn't make it a lie because of lack of understanding...dangerous ground saying it's a lie. But right now we don't quite get it all the way. But when we are face to face with God, what we know a little of today, we will know fully then. Just as God knows who we are fully.

Love in Christ, God bless

FineLinen said:

Dear Smithy: Put on your reading glasses. Focus on this important word from the Master, the Lord Jesus Christ. It is really quite simple.

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There is one (1) passage of Canon for “everlasting punishment” (Matt.25). This one single verse is the cornerstone for the proponents of unending punishment.

According to the context of St. Matthew 25 and ONLY the context, please fill in the empty lines.

The foundation for “everlasting punishment” Matt. 25=

1.________________________________________?

2.________________________________________?

3.________________________________________?

4.________________________________________?

5.________________________________________?

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Okay, you've past the, "What in the world is this person talking about"


Love in Christ, God bless

Saint Steven said:

We are mostly in agreement. (see bold above)

Since God's intent was to have a relationship with us eternally, as you say, will he succeed, or fail miserably?

If what we have been told about hell is true, he will fail miserably. Right?

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No, God never fails.
We do.

God has given us the means to have that relationship with Him, for eternity. We either choose to or we don't. It's up to us. Yeah, he knows whether or not you will choose to obey Him. So He gives us that opportunity.

God doesn't force anyone to live for Him. It's just His will that we do. Because He knows what is good for us, no matter what we go through in life.

That's where placing our Trust in Jesus Christ comes in. Faith, believing In Him. Otherwords, having confidence that what He says He'll do will be done.

So, Yeah, God never fails. In anything.

We do.

Saint Steven said:

Where is the commandment to feed and clothe your neighbor?

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Love your neighbor as you love yourself.

You feed and clothe yourself, don't you?
You love yourself don't you?
Then you should also love your neighbor and if you can, if you have it to be able to. You should help your neighbor. As God said, you do for the least of these you do unto Him.

It's the Golden rule Saint...Treat others as you would like to be treated...with a caveat...Love them also.

smithed64 said:

Your not calling me a liar, I know. Because I don't say it. God does.
So, your calling Him a liar.

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I notice that you didn't answer my question.
"What is 'the Word of God'?"

It seems that you are calling an English bible translation "the Word of God". Is that true?

smithed64 said:

No, God never fails.
We do.

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Since God's intent is to have a relationship with all of us eternally, how will he succeed?
Don't you believe that someone will be left out? How is that not failure?

smithed64 said:

Love your neighbor as you love yourself.

You feed and clothe yourself, don't you?
You love yourself don't you?
Then you should also love your neighbor and if you can, if you have it to be able to. You should help your neighbor. As God said, you do for the least of these you do unto Him.

It's the Golden rule Saint...Treat others as you would like to be treated...with a caveat...Love them also.

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That's not a commandment to feed and clothe your neighbor.

Saint Steven said:

I notice that you didn't answer my question.
"What is 'the Word of God'?"

It seems that you are calling an English bible translation "the Word of God". Is that true?

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I apologize, didn't read it.

There are many translations of the Word of God.
I can't read the original..Hebrew. I'm studying it now. But even the Hebrew that is being taught today isn't the original writing.
But that doesn't matter.
The Word of God is the Bible. It is God breathed or inspired by God, to man, to write down the story of Man's condition, Redemption and the Resurrection.

The Bible was originally written in three languages, Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. The Old testament was in Hebrew. The New Testament in Aramaic and Greek. Eventually the New testament was totally translated to Greek, Koine Greek to be exact.

So, God's Word is the Bible. No matter what language it is written in. It's still God inspired.

2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness.

I use the NASB Bible. The National American Standard Bible. It's translation is closest to the original copy of the original writings.

The Bible we have today is 99.9 percent accurate. That .o1 percent is, copy error, misspelled words, or wrong punctuation. It doesn't take away from the Historical nor supernatural actions of the Word of God.

The bible was written by 40 different people, with 40 different personalities, from different walks of life, from a fisherman to a doctor, a lowly preacher, to ones who knew the King of Kings personally.

The original scriptures mentioned in the Bible, that Christ tells those at that time to read. Is the Old Testament, as told earlier written in Hebrew.

The amazing thing and the miraculous thing about the Bible, is that every single book, of which there are 66. Everyone of them point to one main subject. To one man/God. Jesus Christ. From Genesis to Revelations. It's about our Savior Jesus Christ.

So, yes, the English Version of the NASB read. Is the Word of God. Inspired by Him. The absolute truth.

Saint Steven said:

Since God's intent is to have a relationship with all of us eternally, how will he succeed?
Don't you believe that someone will be left out? How is that not failure?

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He has already succeeded.
He sent His Son.

You'll be left out, if you choose to not repent of your sins. You being left out, is your fault. Not God's.
That's a failure on your part to believe in Christ, Repent of your sins, Trust in Christ and live a Holy life with Christ. To die to this world and live, walk and talk in the Spirit of God.