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If a judge, any judge, fails toWhen God gives us moral law to follow, is He not giving us what He is and would do Himself? It's like the response I see from time to time (a good response) which asks this question: "If God commands us to forgive our enemies, yet is unwilling to do it Himself by actively throwing them into hell, is He asking us to be better than He is?"
Is the moral law of God reflective of God's character? If so, then lex talionis applies to God's justice as well as ours.
Dear Dorothy Mae:physical death is apparent to everyone and more powerful.
If a judge, any judge, fails to
inact justice to the perpetrator, he is failing to fulfill the moral law except for special circumstances. If God let perpetrators who refused him and his government into heaven, there’d be no heaven anymore.
If a judge, any judge, fails to
inact justice to the perpetrator, he is failing to fulfill the moral law except for special circumstances. If God let perpetrators who refused him and his government into heaven, there’d be no heaven anymore.
You need a Bible verse to tell you that if a “kind-hearted”merciful judge let’s all criminals off with no punishment that he is being unjust? Would you like such a man to open the jails in your city and let them all free into your neighborhood? Do you see a problem with justice there?Do you have some scripture to back that up? It just sounds like you pulled that one out of thin air.
You need a Bible verse to tell you that if a “kind-hearted”merciful judge let’s all criminals off with no punishment that he is being unjust? Would you like such a man to open the jails in your city and let them all free into your neighborhood? Do you see a problem with justice there?
This doctrine is not needed for knowing the depth of God's love. Anyone who walks with God will know this. As for those who die without Christ, only God knows and it is out of our hands. The doctrine is BS, not the saints.Maybe to bring them a real joy in knowing just how deep and good the love of God is. Maybe to give them hope for their lost parents, children, relatives, who have rejected Christ umpteen times.
So you are saying that the saints of the Church are BS?
Those who accept US are trying to define what God's love is. Instead of accepting the counsel of Scriptures, you try to determine God's motive and behavior according to the limited knowledge of mankind.Could it be that we find describing our loving heavenly Father in behavioral terms which are more akin to a sociopath than love is offensive to us?
So, everyone is ultimately saved no matter what, and no one goes to (or stays in) hell, ever, no matter what...?
Some are predestined for hell, or being or staying here in these kinds of realities and never going beyond them, and some are not...? The big question is "why"...?
All of ours is, our righteousness anyway, but not the one that we choose in Christ, and how He (God) makes us righteous... Now yes God already ultimately knows and predestined "all our choices", but because we do not know, we still have a choice in the matter, and our choice or choices still matter very, very much from our perspective or point of view...
It is ultimately God who wills us to choose and make the right choice or choices, etc, but from our perspective or point of view, we must still will ourselves to make or not make the right or wrong choices, etc, from our perspective or point of view, etc, but it was ultimately God who did it all and not us, etc... But and/or because He will "will" us to "will" or not will, etc in the matters we need to, etc, but our own will is still very much involved and very important from our perspective or point of view, etc...
Why do you think you would have no hope otherwise...?
And I would really like to talk about that last point with you if we could please...?
God Bless!
This doctrine is not needed for knowing the depth of God's love. Anyone who walks with God will know this. As for those who die without Christ, only God knows and it is out of our hands. The doctrine is BS, not the saints.
Jesus doesn’t agree, He warned of torment and gave no hope of an ending. I’m going with Jesus.It's precisely because God is just, that he won't torment anyone for all of eternity. No finite creature can commit a crime worthy of eternal punishment, not to mention, that everyone who was in such a place, would be receiving the exact same punishment, for wildly varying crimes. There is absolutely no scripture that says that a sinner is worthy of anything but death.
Those who accept US are trying to define what God's love is. Instead of accepting the counsel of Scriptures, you try to determine God's motive and behavior according to the limited knowledge of mankind.
Pro_3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
Eve desired something like that prayer. It didn’t go well.Dear Father: How shall we define You whose essence is love with our wee pea brains?
Lift us up into the greatness of God, out of narrowness of self into You
Jesus doesn’t agree, He warned of torment and gave no hope of an ending. I’m going with Jesus.
“where the worm dies not” and it’s only those who fulfill his conditions who escape hell. “The smoke of their torment goes up forever.” Those are from memory. I can look up more. What no one ever promises is the dead whose names are not found in the book of life merely are rewarded with eternal sleep.And where exactly does Jesus Christ the Saviour of all mankind warn of torment & hope with an ending, little lady?
Gather up the fragments that nothing be lost (apollumi).
“where the worm dies not” and it’s only those who fulfill his conditions who escape hell. “The smoke of their torment goes up forever.” Those are from memory. I can look up more. What no one ever promises is the dead whose names are not found in the book of life merely are rewarded with eternal sleep.
Dear man, shall I explain the Gospel to you? You don’t seem to understand it from the above post.Dear Lady: I wish you the best of luck fulfilling His conditions. If you break one of those conditions you are in big, big trouble.
”Blessed are the merciful for they shall receive mercy.” Mercy triumphs over judgement"For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it."
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