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drich0150

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1) Did God love Jesus in the same way he loves us today?

2) Did Jesus love God in the same way we love God today?
I do not understand these questions.

3) Did Jesus have free will?
As the bible defines Free will, is not "freedom of choice." Free will is the ability to be outside of the expressed will of the God. In other words it is the ability to sin. Christ did not sin, but he did have freedom of choice as proven by the temptations the evil one put Christ through after His 40 day fast.

4) Does Jesus divine nature take away at all from the characteristics of his human nature? Meaning does his divinity make his emotions any less meaningful?
Christ wept when his friend Lazarus died, He flashed with anger and rage when he over turned the money changers tables, He grew tired and weary when he work/healed taught all day after the sermon on the mount, Before the crucification He sweat blood because of the anxiety of what was coming.. so i would say his emotions were comparable to our own.
 
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1) Did God love Jesus in the same way he loves us today?

2) Did Jesus love God in the same way we love God today?

3) Did Jesus have free will?

4) Does Jesus divine nature take away at all from the characteristics of his human nature? Meaning does his divinity make his emotions any less meaningful?

1/2- Does God love Himself? God is love.
3- Christ is called 'He Who Is'. He's the Word of God. He is part of the Holy Trinity. He is God. This implies free will.
4- Christ is fully God and fully man. This is a concept known as the hypostatic union- any other concept of Christ is verboten. As God's essence is unknowable- we need the incarnation of Christ so that we can know God and participate in His energies (attain salvation).
 
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1) Did God love Jesus in the same way he loves us today?
I would say so: "If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love" -John 15:10.

2) Did Jesus love God in the same way we love God today?
Most of us don't really love God today. Even if we do, it isn't the same manner in which Christ did and continues and will continue to do so.

3) Did Jesus have free will?
I would think so.

4) Does Jesus divine nature take away at all from the characteristics of his human nature? Meaning does his divinity make his emotions any less meaningful?
Christ as the divine took on the 'form' of a human, i.e. incarnation. While the completeness of divinity dwelled within Jesus, he emptied himself of that divinity to truly experience human emotions.
 
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QUESTION.EVERYTHING, I think you are asking the wrong questions, friend. To understand the Bible and anything about God, one must first believe in Him (read Heb. 11:6). When one becomes a true child of God by the spiritual "new birth" they will begin to understand much about God and His ways and expectations for us. Check it out!
 
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Here is, I think, a fantastic quote from Fr. Herbert McCabe that I think is relevant to this discussion:

"In Jesus, says the Christian, we do not understand God but we can watch God understanding himself. God’s understanding of God is that he throws himself away in love, that he keeps nothing back for himself. God’s understanding of God is that his a love that unconditionally accepts, that always lets other be, even if what they want is to be his murderers. God’s understanding of God is that he is not a special person with a special kind of message, with a special way of living to which he wants people to conform. God’s understanding of God could not appear to us as someone who wants to found a new and better religion, or recommend a special new discipline or way of life—a religious code laid upon us for all time because it is from God. God’s understanding of God is that he just says: ‘Yes, be; be human, but be really human; be human if it kills yous—and it will.’ The Law of God is a non-law; it has no special regulations. The Word just says: ‘I accept you as human beings; what a pity you can only like yourselves if you pretend to be super-humans or gods.’ God could never understand himself as one of the gods; only as one of the human race."

-CryptoLutheran
 
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1) Did God love Jesus in the same way he loves us today?
God is Love so yes.

2) Did Jesus love God in the same way we love God today?
Yes, we can obtain Godly type Love, but we do not automatically have that type Love to begin with, that is part of our earthly objective.


3) Did Jesus have free will?

Yes.

4) Does Jesus divine nature take away at all from the characteristics of his human nature? Meaning does his divinity make his emotions any less meaningful?

Jesus was 100% human and 100% deity.
 
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