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Hehehehehehe . . . great response, but I think I should open my mouth on this one. Here goes...
What a mine field. The policy of don't ask, don't tell is a subject hard to get a reading on from superiors. The policy originated in the desire of top military brass not to offend, but at the same time not appease, special interests in Washington D.C. At the time of my enlistment the paperwork had not been changed to reflect the new policy and I had to sign a document stating that I had not been asked. Some of my friends are gay and some of them still serve. They have served honorably and with great pride and fortitude. I support the policy of "don't ask, don't tell" because it is the middle ground. A compromise if you will. It is a center that may or may not hold, but for now I am comfortable here.
What a mine field. The policy of don't ask, don't tell is a subject hard to get a reading on from superiors. The policy originated in the desire of top military brass not to offend, but at the same time not appease, special interests in Washington D.C. At the time of my enlistment the paperwork had not been changed to reflect the new policy and I had to sign a document stating that I had not been asked. Some of my friends are gay and some of them still serve. They have served honorably and with great pride and fortitude. I support the policy of "don't ask, don't tell" because it is the middle ground. A compromise if you will. It is a center that may or may not hold, but for now I am comfortable here.
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it is middle ground. even w/ the policy I had an 18yr TSgt come forward and tell us he couldn't life a lie. he only had two more years to retire. he got out by telling. under the policy he could have stayed. though I don't agree w/ his lifestyle I had to admire is character for going what he felt was right.
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The army is professional. THe don't ask don't tell policy is a good idea. You do not join the military to get dates, so it's a don't ask don't tell from both sexual preferences, they ust have to enforce the homsexual preference for peaceable reasons.
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The don't ask don't tell is the only way I see to compromise on a very divisive issue.
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Personaly I would prefer to know if someone I was sharing close quarters with was gay. For me that would make for a more comfortable situation.
Sometimes after you've been serving together you'll know anyway without asking or telling.
Knowing wouldn't change much.
I might be more circumspect to avoid offending or misleading a buddy who was gay.
Idealy Gays should be able to express their sexual orientation in the same way I can express mine.
Not as a flaunting flamboyant exhibition but more like the ways that straight people can be open.
Guys don't have to hide their girlfriends, or their pictures, etc. it would just be one more thing you know about another soldier, like where you come from.
I never once saw an incident in the Army over someone being gay.
However I can imagine openly gay behavior in the close quarters of a barracks or in the field might cause tension.
A problem the military doesn't need
Perhaps this is more of a problem for the Air Force and the Navy
I did see quite a bit of hetero misbehavior some of it quite serious.
Problems with gays would most likely originate from the same guys.
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Personaly I would prefer to know if someone I was sharing close quarters with was gay. For me that would make for a more comfortable situation.
Sometimes after you've been serving together you'll know anyway without asking or telling.
Knowing wouldn't change much.
I might be more circumspect to avoid offending or misleading a buddy who was gay.
Idealy Gays should be able to express their sexual orientation in the same way I can express mine.
Not as a flaunting flamboyant exhibition but more like the ways that straight people can be open.
Guys don't have to hide their girlfriends, or their pictures, etc. it would just be one more thing you know about another soldier, like where you come from.
I never once saw an incident in the Army over someone being gay.
However I can imagine openly gay behavior in the close quarters of a barracks or in the field might cause tension.
A problem the military doesn't need
Perhaps this is more of a problem for the Air Force and the Navy
I did see quite a bit of hetero misbehavior some of it quite serious.
Problems with gays would most likely originate from the same guys.
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I have a very unique out look on this because as a young soldier, back when I was too nice to say anything me and another soldier were forced to share our room with a flaming gay homosexual. This guy made queer eye for the straight guy look like John Wayne. This jackass who eventually got kicked out for drugs *wink *wink, use to bring guys over to the room, use to draw the curtains on his side and have sex with them or have them spend the night. We are talking very close quarters and I was only 18 years old. I am older now and war changes people, if I could go back in time I would kick that guys ***. If I ever seem him the two of us are going to have words. Me and my roommate didn't bring girls back to the room, why should he have been allowed to bring back guys? Plus their was something dirty about him, he would check us out if we were changing, this is why male and female soldiers dont share rooms or showers why should this be any different. I don't think my parents or anyones parents, intended to send their child into the Army thinking that they would have to give up their dignity like this. Anyone with parents who care about them would have tried to keep them home if they had known the military allowed things like this to go on. Don't ask don't tell from my experience is a miserable failure which I hope and vote will be repealed in the very near future. Only a person like President Clinton who 'loathes' the military as he so elegantly put it could even think of doing something like this against the advice of the pentagon and his Chiefs of Staff.
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daidhaid
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alonesoldier said:
geez so now the all volunteer army has flaming gay homosexuals who get to have gay sex in a room with two straight guys. darn that Bill Clinton
you sure should have told your parents.
Oh my my.
And now that the guy is a civilian youre gonna have words?
And if you can time travel youre gonna kick his ***?
where was your squad leader or Plt. sgt. while all the heavy gay sex and drugs were going down?
IMNSHO only a voyeur would sit by for that.
somehow this doesn't sound so plausable especially in an Inf. unit.
sorry to doubt a fellow veteran.
I am a tad curious what is your MOS.
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I'm out now, the PLT SGT said that they did not want to deal with removing a person because of their sexual perference. That it would over shadow everything. They did drug test him and remove him that way. I was in AVN REGT of the Third Infantry Division working on Apache Helicopters at that time. And I was 18, it was 5 years ago.
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