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Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Scott Husted, Sep 25, 2020.

  1. Scott Husted

    Scott Husted Well-Known Member

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    David believed that sacrifice was not without price and Jesus, what have you done if you give to those who you know will pay you back.

    In the light of this which is the greater love, one who dies for his friends or one who dies for his enemies, and in light of your answer how is that relative to why Jesus said what was the greatest love?
     
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  2. Michael Collum

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    The greatest love a human can give is to die for his friends, but while we were yet criminals - Christ died for us.
     
  3. Albion

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    In a sense, we sinners were his enemies, but he also loved us enough to sacrifice himself in order to save us. So if I have to choose, I suppose it's "die for his enemies."
     
  4. honey badger

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    Be you merciful, as your Father also is merciful. And do not judge that you should not be judged; and do not condemn that you should not be condemned; forgive and you will be forgiven. Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure pressed down, shaken together, running over will they put into your lap. For with that measure you measure, it will be measured again to you."

    to not judge is a righteous judgement in of itself and not being bound by any measure has no measure ...
     
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  5. Charlie24

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    It is mans nature to repay good with good and evil with evil.

    Jesus is telling them, I am going to the cross to lay down my life for the sins of the whole world, show the same love to others that I will show.

    This is not referring to giving your life for your friend, it means to do good to others even if they don't do the same to you. This is fulfilling the Great commandment, Love one another as I have loved you.
     
  6. Jesus is YHWH

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    Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her
     
  7. com7fy8

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    Yes, Jesus says this.

    Actually, Jesus died for the disciples who were His friends, plus for us who were His enemies. So, it is both.

    Which is greater? I would say dying for enemies, but the same great Jesus died for both. And there is the investment > including why Jesus died for enemies . . . in order to get enemies adopted so they are no longer enemies. So, there is this great hope included in how Jesus so suffered and died for His enemies. Love "hopes all things" (in 1 Corinthians 13:7).

    If I die because I fall out of a tree while trying to get my friend's child's kite back, this might not be a great way of giving of my life for my friend. And dying this way for an enemy's child likewise might not be what Jesus means.

    Because one is giving all for someone else. So, of course, then, with what hope this is done is important.

    But Jesus mainly was prepping them to appreciate how much Jesus would be loving them by dying for them. And Jesus dying like that was planned and had God's reasons; it was not just an empty sacrifice, but guaranteed God's results.

    Also, it is possible to die in a way which is not in real love. And this would profit nothing, we can see through 1 Corinthians 13:1-3.

    There are people who would die even for causes, but they are not loving people the way God desires. There even are ones who die because they feel no one cares about them or they feel they are a nuisance and a burden, and they suppose they are loving people, then, by dying. But if they die to self so they can find out how Jesus has us loving, they can do much better.

    And Jesus did not die just so we can keep on living selfishly.

    But there are ones who can give their lives in order to keep people alive in selfish living. Their death might be in vain, then. But Jesus died even for selfish people, but with the possibility that ones of us would repent and trust in Him and live and love in God's way.

    Actually . . . though . . . if you die for a friend who is sure to benefit from your death, this might be better than dying for an enemy who will not benefit. Maybe, then, it is like giving a hundred dollars to a needy widow, versus giving a hundred dollars to a terrorist.
     
  8. Scott Husted

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    This is the whole point of the exercise; love without measure.
     
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    Well by deffault we are all by nature enemies of God and while we were enemies, Jesus died for us! The greatest human love is to die for a friend, God trumped this by Jesus dying for all His enemies.
     
  10. Scott Husted

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    The dictograph behind those who love much and love little, are the offspring of perception.
     
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    The heart that loves, loves without measure. Take the two witnesses. They will have the power to do much on one hand(the left hand). And yet they will be clothed in sackcloth.(the right hand). A heart that loves without measure, pleads for mercy and intercedes in the mist of devastation and destruction. A heart that loves knows what is in man(which causes the perception you guys talk about) and is able to say,"Father forgive them, for they know not what they do."

    In the beginning of my journey, when The Lord came and got me, It was then that I laid down my life(A sacrifice). I laid it down so that others may live. It matters not what happens to me but what happens to them. This is His heart found in all that have been truly born again(from above). The Lord came to save that which was lost, and many who were enemies would become friends.
     
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  12. honey badger

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    God is beyond good and evil, it is man who views Him as a God of right/blessing and left/cursing and therefore have turned Him into a beast ... it is this mentality/perception we are to repent/turn from, which is to say we must come out from between these two witnesses who afford us a covering not of our own ...
     
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