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[cristylynn83]

I am so sorry you are witnessing these debates, as you are a new christian, and that can be very confusing. I would just ignore the debates before you become even more confused. Now to answer your post, we are only human so our minds are not big enough to comprehend everything God has created, the why's and how's of it all. God is so much bigger than us and so it is hard for us to understand. I like the example the girl gave of the light bulb, I agree, if we can think about how light appears from this bulb and how we can't see what's going on behind the scenes, I think we can understand that God created us in that similar fashion, we can't see how it was done but here we are. We just have to have faith that God created all things and our minds are not big enough to grasp it. Keep seeking God and pretty soon you won't have all of this wonder, it just becomes natural to believe that everything we see came from God. The Bible says that faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen. I pray that God will give you faith to understand all that He has done and that doubt would leave your mind in Jesus name!

 

[Spunkn]

I am so sorry you are witnessing these debates, as you are a new christian, and that can be very confusing. I would just ignore the debates before you become even more confused. Now to answer your post, we are only human so our minds are not big enough to comprehend everything God has created, the why's and how's of it all. God is so much bigger than us and so it is hard for us to understand. I like the example the girl gave of the light bulb, I agree, if we can think about how light appears from this bulb and how we can't see what's going on behind the scenes, I think we can understand that God created us in that similar fashion, we can't see how it was done but here we are. We just have to have faith that God created all things and our minds are not big enough to grasp it. Keep seeking God and pretty soon you won't have all of this wonder, it just becomes natural to believe that everything we see came from God. The Bible says that faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen. I pray that God will give you faith to understand all that He has done and that doubt would leave your mind in Jesus name!

Very true, and I apologize for getting into a debate with someone in another person's thread. I will stop.

 

[cristylynn83]

 

[Bible2]

theophilus40 said in post 19:

There are two different opinions as to how the world and life came into existence: the secular belief that they developed over billions of years by natural processes that are still going on today or the belief that they were created by God. How long will you go limping between two different opinions? Choose one or the other.

Re: "how the world and life came into existence", it hasn't been said they came into existence by any other means than God the Creator (John 1:3).

But with regard to the scientific ideas of the old earth & evolution per se, what's been said is they don't contradict anything in the Bible, so there's no need to waste our time trying to refute them.

 

[Bible2]

Spunkn said in post 20:

Where does it specifically say there were other humans before Adam and Eve?

It doesn't, but neither does it require there weren't.

 

[Bible2]

theophilus40 said in post 19:

And Elijah came near to all the people and said, “How long will you go limping between two different opinions? If the LORD is God, follow him; but if Baal, then follow him.”
(1 Kings 18:21 ESV)

Regarding 1 Kings 18:21, in our future there could occur a Luciferian inversion of what happened in 1 Kings 18:19-40. For Just as the Antichrist could make a worldwide TV/internet spectacle out of his fulfilling of 2 Thes. 2:4/Dan. 11:36, so his False Prophet could make a worldwide TV/internet spectacle out of his fulfilling of Rev. 13:13, when he will miraculously call fire down from heaven in the sight of everyone. And he could intentionally do this as a Luciferian inversion of 1 Kin. 18:19-40.

For example, he could first gather together all of the most prominent leaders of the Christian community worldwide to the Champ de Mars (Mars being the same as Marduk the dragon, the chief god of ancient Babylon), which is the large open space in front of the Eiffel Tower in Paris. And he could then tell them during a ceremony televised/webcasted live worldwide to pray to YHWH to send fire down and destroy the Tower. And when the Christian leaders pray and YHWH doesn't do anything (by his own choice), the False Prophet could then pray to Lucifer (the dragon, Satan: Rev. 12:9, 13:4) to send fire down and destroy the Tower. And Lucifer could do so (allowed to do so by YHWH), so that 1 Kin. 18:38-40 will be turned on its head, so that news reporters could write (in their words) "Then the fire of Lucifer fell, and consumed the Eiffel Tower. And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces. And they said, Lucifer is God, Lucifer is God. And the True Prophet said to them: 'Take these men of YHWH! Let not one of them escape!' And they took them. And the True Prophet brought them down to the river Seine, and slew them there" (as a Luciferian inversion of 1 Kin. 18:38-40).

But would YHWH really let something like this happen? Would he let Christians pray to him to send fire down from heaven but refuse to do so, while allowing Lucifer to send fire down at the beck of the False Prophet? Yes, YHWH could let this happen, as a test to Christians, to see if they love signs and wonders more than YHWH (cf. Deut. 13:1-3). Believers must always remember that not all signs and wonders are from the true God, that Lucifer/Satan can also give people the power to perform them (e.g. 2 Thes. 2:9), in order to deceive people (Mt. 24:24-25, Rev. 13:13-14, 19:20).

The way not to be deceived is to continue to believe that everything the Bible teaches is from God (Jn. 8:31b, Mt. 4:4, 2 Tim. 3:15-4:4), no matter how amazing the miracles are of someone who teaches something that contradicts the Bible (Mt. 24:24, 1 Tim. 4:1). And the way to continue to believe that everything the Bible teaches is from God is not to continue in any unrepentant sin, for otherwise our consciences could become seared as with a hot iron (1 Tim. 4:2), to where we could no longer endure the sound doctrine of the Bible, but after our own lusts heap to ourselves teachers who teach us fables which support us in our lusts (2 Tim. 4:3-4), to where we could even become willing to depart from the faith and give heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils (1 Tim. 4:1).

 

[Jenny30]

Thank you Bible 2 for you response; it was very helpful.

 

[Bible2]

You're welcome. Thanks for starting the thread.

 

[SoldierOfSoul]

I was just wondering why am I having a difficult time picture God creating things? I want to be able to get it so bad, but it's hard for me to visualize God creating things, especially humans. I'm sorry for such a stupid question, but my mind doesn't seem to rest.

A word picture: In the beginning God caused something to come out of nothing: space, matter and time itself exploded into existence. Eternal Light was all that was before, God Himself the self-existing Being who has always been and always will be, chose to create a world outside of Himself but reflects His attributes and likeness. As he hovered over the earth and in the universe in spiritual wonder He stepped into His creation and meticulously created a world that would reveal His greatness and invoke awe to all who could appreciate it.

You see it, God did it.

 

[Bible2]

SoldierOfSoul said in post 29:

You see it, God did it.

That brings to mind Romans 1:20.

People can know God exists simply by seeing everything else that exists (Rom. 1:20, Ps. 19:1-4). The universe couldn't have created itself from nothing by physics, because of the first law of thermodynamics. So something outside of physics had to have created the universe. The term spirit is used to refer to that which exists but is outside of physics. So what created the universe was a spirit (Jn. 4:24, 1:3). And there has to be an uncreated spirit, because nothing, not even a spirit, can create itself from nothing, for in order to create itself, it would have to already exist. The term divine can be used to refer to a conscious entity which exists but is uncreated. So the uncreated spirit who created the universe would be divine. So just by being able to see the universe, people have no excuse for denying the existence of a divine uncreated spirit (Rom. 1:20, Jn. 4:24, Ps. 19:1-4). And this spirit must have eternal power (Rom. 1:20), because the first law of thermodynamics requires the energy in the universe is eternal.

Because knowing God exists is the only reasonable response to seeing the existence of the universe (Rom. 1:20), when educated & intelligent people refuse to admit God exists, this is only because they're intentionally choosing to be unreasonable, choosing to be foolish, regarding God's existence, because of their human pride, their unthankfulness to God, & their desire to continue in sinful actions (Rom. 1:21-22, Ps. 14:1). But there's no salvation in simply believing God exists (Jas. 2:19). Believing in Jesus Christ, the human/divine Son of God, & his sacrifice on the Cross for our sins & his rising from the dead on the 3rd day, is the only way for people to have their sins forgiven so they can avoid having to go to hell when they die (Jn. 3:16,36, Rom. 3:25, 1 Cor. 15:1-4).

 

[KrazyCanadian1962]

I just have to add something here.

I really pray for the body of Christ when I here people, claiming to be Christians, argue over young earth old earth, evolution, humans before Adam and Eve etc, etc.

God is, omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent. Period.

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. Just like the Bible says, and just as literally as it says. Adam was the first human. Period. If there was other humans before this, why did God make Eve from Adams rib.

The earth was created in the literal 6 days. Why, why, why would an Omnipotent being waste millions of years going from one type of species or being to another when He could easily create the finished product???

God wanted a universe with humans that would worship, fellowship and love Him. He in return would abide with, fellowship with, and love in return.

Problem, He didn't want robots. If He made a being that had no free will He could just program it to love Him. That is not what He wanted. He wanted us to "want" to worship and love Him. So....we have free will. So, how do you know who really loves you? You give them two choices. A lie that contradicts all the information He gave you but presents the easy road. A road that riddles, half truths and manipulation can be used to convince the faithless as being "truth". The second choice takes trust, faith and a road of hard knocks, persecution and trials. A road that can only be traveled with an earthly relationship, through prayer with the creator. A road on which we will stumble and need to be humbled to believe we have failed and need the forgiveness of the creator. A road that leaves us unworthy of the reward at the finish line. A reward that will be given to us only by the grace of our creator. The humans that follow this road of strife for a reward that is not, from a human standpoint, proven, but offered unseen, a leap of faith, these humans truly believe and Love the creator.

This is how God is sure we truly love Him and are worthy to spend eternity in fellowship with Him and fulfill His goal.

God created the earth and universe in 6 days and then rested. He created Adam from dust and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils. He created Eve from Adam's rib. This is as true as the fact that He is going to return and separate the sheep from the goats and the righteous will spend eternity in His loving presence on a new earth where Heaven is on earth.

If you believe the story that people try to bend out of this to avoid conflict with the Darwinists, look up the word "Apostate".