Question?

[DeaconDean]

I want to ask a question, and I'm not here to debate and or discuss. I'm researching a topic to go on TV and debate with a couple of men about.

Are you, or are you not, have had your roots in the "Restoration Movement" of the late 1800's, otherwise known as the Stone-Campbell movement.

Thanks.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[Subdood]

As a church of Christ member, yes, our roots do trace back to Barton Stone and Alexander Campbell.

Lemme guess the topic - baptism?

 

[DeaconDean]

As a church of Christ member, yes, our roots do trace back to Barton Stone and Alexander Campbell.

Lemme guess the topic - baptism?

No.

On TV the other night, there is a program that comes on the 1st and 3rd of every Tuesday of the month called "The Word and the Sword."

It is hosted by two pastors from two Church Of Christ churches in Hickory N.C.

On this show they were bashing Baptists saying we teach repentance before faith. Among a few other things.

A brother in Christ and myself, are going to research a few things, and we are going to accept their invitation and go on their TV show to openly debate them and show them where they have maligned Baptists.

I just want to be sure that the CoC indeed did come out of the Stone and Campbell Movement, or the Restoration Movement.

Thank you for your confirmation.

I shall leave peacefully.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[JDIBe]

Dean,

As Christians, we trace our roots back to the day of Pentecost when Peter preached his first sermon. (Hence the term RESTORATION Movement.) As far as our METHOD OF APPROACHING THE SCRIPTURES, we owe a great deal to the efforts of Campbell and other great men involved in the "Restoration Movement". (I think all of us whether coC, DoC, or CC would agree with the above statements.)

One other small thing, preachers in the coC are not called "Pastors". That is a term typically reserved for "Elders" or "Bishops". The term for "preacher" is most often "Minister" in the coC. (although I suppose it is possible for a preacher to be an Elder as well. I know of no Biblical restriction against it.)

I hope this has been helpful.

 

[DerSchweik]

No.

On TV the other night, there is a program that comes on the 1st and 3rd of every Tuesday of the month called "The Word and the Sword."

It is hosted by two pastors from two Church Of Christ churches in Hickory N.C.

On this show they were bashing Baptists saying we teach repentance before faith. Among a few other things.

A brother in Christ and myself, are going to research a few things, and we are going to accept their invitation and go on their TV show to openly debate them and show them where they have maligned Baptists.

I just want to be sure that the CoC indeed did come out of the Stone and Campbell Movement, or the Restoration Movement.

Thank you for your confirmation.

I shall leave peacefully.

God Bless

Till all are one.

Not a topic I'm knowledgable on. Good luck and God bless.

 

[fishon]

Dean,

As Christians, we trace our roots back to the day of Pentecost when Peter preached his first sermon. (Hence the term RESTORATION Movement.) As far as our METHOD OF APPROACHING THE SCRIPTURES, we owe a great deal to the efforts of Campbell and other great men involved in the "Restoration Movement". (I think all of us whether coC, DoC, or CC would agree with the above statements.)

One other small thing, preachers in the coC are not called "Pastors". That is a term typically reserved for "Elders" or "Bishops". The term for "preacher" is most often "Minister" in the coC. (although I suppose it is possible for a preacher to be an Elder as well. I know of no Biblical restriction against it.)

I hope this has been helpful.

Dean,
I am a pastor of a church of Christ. I was ordained an elder when I came to the church I preach at.
fishon

 

[fishon]

No.

On TV the other night, there is a program that comes on the 1st and 3rd of every Tuesday of the month called "The Word and the Sword."

It is hosted by two pastors from two Church Of Christ churches in Hickory N.C.

On this show they were bashing Baptists saying we teach repentance before faith. Among a few other things.

A brother in Christ and myself, are going to research a few things, and we are going to accept their invitation and go on their TV show to openly debate them and show them where they have maligned Baptists.

I just want to be sure that the CoC indeed did come out of the Stone and Campbell Movement, or the Restoration Movement.

Thank you for your confirmation.

I shall leave peacefully.

God Bless

Till all are one.

Deacon,
I am a cofC pastor, and I tell you, my guess is these guys are just going to frustrate you.

If they are 'bashing' over that old arguement, then nothing you say or show them will make a difference.

To me, mind you, just me, but I believe that faith and repentance are so interwoven that they practically walk hand in hand. It is nothing I would go on tv and argue about. Seems like it hurts the cause of Christ more than it would help it.

Let us know what happens, will you?

My baptist friend; if my cofC brothers get ugly, you just stay loving, that is if you decide to debate them.
In Christ,
fishon

 

[bling]

I have not seen anything good come out of debating.

 

[- DRA -]

I want to ask a question, and I'm not here to debate and or discuss. I'm researching a topic to go on TV and debate with a couple of men about.

Are you, or are you not, have had your roots in the "Restoration Movement" of the late 1800's, otherwise known as the Stone-Campbell movement.

Thanks.

God Bless

Till all are one.

I have a question. Actually, a couple. God gave the law of Moses to the Israelites, and over time they became unfaithful to God. During the times of King Josiah in 2 Kings 23, the king made great efforts to restore the people to faithfulness. Therefore, would it be accurate to portray those restored to faithfulness by his efforts to have their roots in the "Josiah Restoration Movement," or would it be best to characterize their roots as returning to doing God's will? I tend to think those Jews who were restored to faithfulness should have their roots grounded in God's word. I apply the same principle to those who realized their unfaithfulness to the gospel of Christ while being involved in Catholicism or denominationalism during the 1800s. Agree?

Now, to answer your question. My roots are in the Lord, His gospel, and His word. Not in a movement.

 

[- DRA -]

I have not seen anything good come out of debating.

What are your feelings about Jude 3? ... "Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints." (NKJV)

 

[JDIBe]

 

[JDIBe]

I have a question. Actually, a couple. God gave the law of Moses to the Israelites, and over time they became unfaithful to God. During the times of King Josiah in 2 Kings 23, the king made great efforts to restore the people to faithfulness. Therefore, would it be accurate to portray those restored to faithfulness by his efforts to have their roots in the "Josiah Restoration Movement," or would it be best to characterize their roots as returning to doing God's will? I tend to think those Jews who were restored to faithfulness should have their roots grounded in God's word. I apply the same principle to those who realized their unfaithfulness to the gospel of Christ while being involved in Catholicism or denominationalism during the 1800s. Agree?

Now, to answer your question. My roots are in the Lord, His gospel, and His word. Not in a movement.

Good point. Perhaps that's what it means to be "Christians, and Christians only."

 

[SoulFly51]

I want to ask a question, and I'm not here to debate and or discuss. I'm researching a topic to go on TV and debate with a couple of men about.

Are you, or are you not, have had your roots in the "Restoration Movement" of the late 1800's, otherwise known as the Stone-Campbell movement.

Thanks.

God Bless

Till all are one.

Dean - your time would be better spent going and speaking with your lost neighbor.

Trust me.

 

[- DRA -]

Dean - your time would be better spent going and speaking with your lost neighbor.

Trust me.

Wes,

It seems to me you are encouraging our Baptist friends to teach the lost. If so, then you must approve of what they teach (i.e., salvation by grace through faith only).

For sure, we all know where you "stand" (and I use that word loosely ... very loosely).

Signing off as someone who used to know a guy by your name that had a zeal to serve the Lord.

 

[JDIBe]

Dean - your time would be better spent going and speaking with your lost neighbor.

Trust me.

And tell him what....?

Sometimes it is good to discuss the Bible with others to see if what YOU are teaching is correct. And that goes for Baptists, CC, DoC, and coC as well...

 

[- DRA -]

Sometimes it is good to discuss the Bible with others to see if what YOU are teaching is correct. And that goes for Baptists, CC, DoC, and coC as well...

The truth is never hurt by examination!

 

[crawfish]

Wes,

It seems to me you are encouraging our Baptist friends to teach the lost. If so, then you must approve of what they teach (i.e., salvation by grace through faith only).

For sure, we all know where you "stand" (and I use that word loosely ... very loosely).

Signing off as someone who used to know a guy by your name that had a zeal to serve the Lord.

Maybe he just got tired of dealing with the smug self-righteousness.

 

[- DRA -]

Maybe he just got tired of dealing with the smug self-righteousness.

Thanks for such a loving, kind, Christ-like answer.

Too bad there aren't more like you around to leave such a positive impression on others. Really makes me want to get out my Bible and study God's word to become a better person and be dilligent to assure I'm doing God's will.

Do you also consent to the Baptist teaching concerning salvation under the gospel of Christ? Yes or no? Not a trick question.

 

[crawfish]

Thanks for such a loving, kind, Christ-like answer.

Too bad there aren't more like you around to leave such a positive impression on others. Really makes me want to get out my Bible and study God's word to become a better person and be dilligent to assure I'm doing God's will.

Do you also consent to the Baptist teaching concerning salvation under the gospel of Christ? Yes or no? Not a trick question.

My answer is far more Christ-like than what I was responding to. Even Paul didn't shy away from sarcasm when it was warranted. How you could possibly think that answer would leave a "positive impression" on anyone but a fellow smug legalist is beyond me.

What I consent to is that we are not held to perfect understanding of God's commands for our salvation. Yes, I believe that baptism is a symbol of our acceptance of Christ that every single Christian should be encouraged and feel compelled to do; but it is not the act that saves us, but our acceptance of God's grace. I cannot understand why anyone who wanted to be obedient to God would refuse to be baptized; however, I also know that the belief of "enter sinful, emerge sinless" is wrong.

That's not really the question though. One does not need to agree completely with me for me to encourage them to reach out to the lost. I certainly wouldn't discourage you from bringing a nonbeliever to church simply because of the way you feel about musical instruments. A person with faith might see the truth of God's word and change; a person without faith will not. We need as many workers in the field as we can manage.

 

[JDIBe]

My answer is far more Christ-like than what I was responding to. Even Paul didn't shy away from sarcasm when it was warranted. How you could possibly think that answer would leave a "positive impression" on anyone but a fellow smug legalist is beyond me.

What I consent to is that we are not held to perfect understanding of God's commands for our salvation. Yes, I believe that baptism is a symbol of our acceptance of Christ that every single Christian should be encouraged and feel compelled to do; but it is not the act that saves us, but our acceptance of God's grace. I cannot understand why anyone who wanted to be obedient to God would refuse to be baptized; however, I also know that the belief of "enter sinful, emerge sinless" is wrong.

That's not really the question though. One does not need to agree completely with me for me to encourage them to reach out to the lost. I certainly wouldn't discourage you from bringing a nonbeliever to church simply because of the way you feel about musical instruments. A person with faith might see the truth of God's word and change; a person without faith will not. We need as many workers in the field as we can manage.

Acts 18:24-28
(24) And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus.
(25) This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.
(26) And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.
(27) And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:
(28) For he mightily convinced the Jews, and that publickly, shewing by the scriptures that Jesus was Christ.


A quick question.....

Were Aquilla and Priscilla wrong to attempt to correct Apollos? Should they have just sent him on his way encouraging him to teach the baptism of John, knowing that "we are not held to perfect understanding of God's commands for our salvation"? Were they being self-righteous, or trying to be helpful?