Question......

IamRedeemed · Apr 28, 2008

You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine.
Just because you refuse to acknowledge something does not
mean it is not clearly indicated. And just because you don't like
an adjective that in my opinion describes a question or a statement
quite accurately doesn't mean that your condemnatory opinion is
correct either.

Texas Lynn · Apr 28, 2008

Jet_A_Jockey said:
It becomes ridiculous when one goes to the extreme effort to run all evidence on its own head as to negate its validity.
I'm not baiting you, not sure why you are being extremely defensive on the subject. Just questioning your post thats all.

Defensive? When a people are being killed because of words spoken from pulpits, defenisveness is a reality-based orientation.

why would someone interpret it in any other way, other than to make it agree with them?

Or the opposite? It begs the question.

In the end one's integrity is all one has. If one spends one's life seeking to harm one's LGBT brothers and sisters, or, if one seeks to affirm their capacities to love, is up to the individual.

Would you call that Spirit-led interpretation or private interpretation?

The charge of "private interpretation" is a red herring. EVERYONE makes private interpretations and there is no other type of interpretation. If you accept someone else's interpretation you make the decision whether to do that or not. If one seeks to do the right thing it could be called "SPIRIT-LED" but as I am not a fundamentalist I do not use that term particularly.

Scripture is truth, but truth does not conform to our wills, rather ours to it.

So it's said, but what it means depends on who's reading it. Everybody brings the sum total of who they are and what they've experienced to everything they do. To pretend otherwise is to deny reality.

I know there are people who do this, as well as some who are selective in their interpretations as to profess that God encourages and loves gay sex. Are either ones right? by scripture?

I don't think you can win this with a pot and kettle argument. I think everyone determines what is best for them. The idea God "loves" or "hates" particular sex acts or not is to denigrate God. One cann either say all human functions are gloirious or disgusting depending on one's mood. To emphasize sexual acts however is to denigrate LGBTs.

Well that confirms that you know absolutely nothing about me. If you wish to see me as arrogant, then you have that right.

Could I not say the same thing? And you did make an arrogant post, or else your evil twin did.

Am I a biblical scholar? Nope. Are you? Perhaps, but unlikely.

Having been a PK who typed sermons and presently in two Bible studies I'm still pretty much a layperson at it but I have made extensive study of the misuse of the terrible texts which homophobes memorize to harass their LGBT brothers and sisters.

What does the vast majority of biblical scholars say about same-sex sex?

Not a whole lot, actually. More are concerned with who wrote what, when, and why.

I suppose it depends on how one defines "biblical scholars". It's kind of hard to be a fundamentalist and give an honest analysis. Among mainline scholars probably a slim majority favor affirming those of minority orientation's capacities to love.

All who are approaching it with integrity consider the context of the passages. Those who use them as weapons to attack those they hate neither consider it or acknowledge it.

Texas Lynn · Apr 28, 2008

IamRedeemed said:
You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine.
Just because you refuse to acknowledge something does not
mean it is not clearly indicated. And just because you don't like
an adjective that in my opinion describes a question or a statement
quite accurately doesn't mean that your condemnatory opinion is
correct either.

That's true. In analyzing such things we should look to the heart of those saying things to hurt us. Whether it's based on ignorance or malice the effect is the same. The bristling you've expressed here indicates your bad behavior is due to something other than an honest mistake.

IamRedeemed · Apr 28, 2008

Again, you are entitled to your opinions, judgments and your condemnatory
remarks regardless of whether you are right or not.

Texas Lynn said:
That's true. In analyzing such things we should look to the heart of those saying things to hurt us. Whether it's based on ignorance or malice the effect is the same. The bristling you've expressed here indicates your bad behavior is due to something other than an honest mistake.

IamRedeemed · Apr 28, 2008

Those in the pulpits of God are answerable to God and not man. If they are preaching the Word of God and the ears within their hearing refuse to hear, it is not the fault of the preacher, and he has no need to repent, when he speaks the Word of Truth out of the mouth of God, for if he does not open his mouth, he is worse than an infidel and will be accountable to God for not speaking the warnings that God is calling forth to all men, that they might repent and be saved, (see Ezekiel 33:6) as it is not the will of God that any man would perish which is why He is long suffering toward us, but that all men would come to repentance. (See 2 Peter 3:9)

As the days of God's mercy and grace will be coming to an end, as the appointed time is written
and His judgment will begin. (See Acts 17:30,31)

Texas Lynn said:
Not exactly. I said some people are homophobes, but I did not say the group you mentioned was. Defensive? When a people are being killed because of words spoken from pulpits, defenisveness is a reality-based orientation.

Or the opposite? It begs the question.

In the end one's integrity is all one has. If one spends one's life seeking to harm one's LGBT brothers and sisters, or, if one seeks to affirm their capacities to love, is up to the individual.

The charge of "private interpretation" is a red herring. EVERYONE makes private interpretations and there is no other type of interpretation. If you accept someone else's interpretation you make the decision whether to do that or not. If one seeks to do the right thing it could be called "SPIRIT-LED" but as I am not a fundamentalist I do not use that term particularly.

So it's said, but what it means depends on who's reading it. Everybody brings the sum total of who they are and what they've experienced to everything they do. To pretend otherwise is to deny reality.

I don't think you can win this with a pot and kettle argument. I think everyone determines what is best for them. The idea God "loves" or "hates" particular sex acts or not is to denigrate God. One cann either say all human functions are gloirious or disgusting depending on one's mood. To emphasize sexual acts however is to denigrate LGBTs.

Could I not say the same thing? And you did make an arrogant post, or else your evil twin did.

Having been a PK who typed sermons and presently in two Bible studies I'm still pretty much a layperson at it but I have made extensive study of the misuse of the terrible texts which homophobes memorize to harass their LGBT brothers and sisters.

Not a whole lot, actually. More are concerned with who wrote what, when, and why.

I suppose it depends on how one defines "biblical scholars". It's kind of hard to be a fundamentalist and give an honest analysis. Among mainline scholars probably a slim majority favor affirming those of minority orientation's capacities to love.

All who are approaching it with integrity consider the context of the passages. Those who use them as weapons to attack those they hate neither consider it or acknowledge it.

IamRedeemed · Apr 28, 2008

Btw TexasLynn, spending your life preaching the Word of Truth so that men might
see and hear what God has said and repent and escape His wrath that is coming to the earth
IS the loving and integritable thing to do.

What is bringing harm to those who consider themselves GLBT, is ignoring the Word of God.
While the truth of God's Word may hurt their flesh temporarily, acknowledging, accepting and
submitting to the Lord according to His ways and His will, will bring with it an ETERNAL reward.

As I said before, love corrects. It is not silent nor does it act oblivious as people race
down the highway to hell.

The Word of God even says that a parent who won't correct their child HATES their child.

It would be hate, if those preaching another gospel came to a Christian forum,
spouted their untruths, and we allowed them to die and pay the penalty of the
second death, without opening our mouths.

THAT my friend is God's definition of HATE.
Which His definition is the only one that concerns me.

And those that do so, will be held accountable to God as the blood of those
within the sound of our voice, will be found on our hands, for not sounding the trumpet warning.

Ezekiel 33:6
But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

The warning is this to ALL (for the sake of brevity, I will only list a couple but be assured there is more!):

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Texas Lynn · Apr 28, 2008

IamRedeemed said:
Those in the pulpits of God are answerable to God and not man.

Precisely why they need to acknowledge that they have been wrong about the lies and hatred of their LGBT brothers and sisters they are spreading. Thank you.

Texas Lynn · Apr 28, 2008

IamRedeemed said:
Btw TexasLynn, spending your life preaching the Word of Truth so that men might see and hear what God has said and repent and escape His wrath that is coming to the earth
IS the loving and integritable thing to do.

That is not what you are doing whatsoever. The arrogance of assertion that you are is most unfortunate.

What is bringing harm to those who consider themselves GLBT, is ignoring the Word of God.

False. A god who seeks to harm his LGBT children is no god at all but a horrible moster worthy only of contempt. such a god however does not xist except in the imaginations of extremists.

A hebbin with a worthless, evil god of this sort in charge would be of no use to persons of integrity. The only ones seeking entrace to it would be the opportunists and sychopants.

While the truth of God's Word may hurt their flesh temporarily, acknowledging, accepting and
submitting to the Lord according to His ways and His will, will bring with it an ETERNAL reward.

Such a "reward" would be a "hell" for all persons of integity. No person of any character would want to enter such an evil place.

IamRedeemed · Apr 28, 2008

Again, ministers of God are not called to tickle the ears of those who wish to ignore the warnings of God and make them feel safe from the wrath of God when that is not the reality. Their loyalties are to God to preach what He has given to man, that they may know the condition they are in and where they stand before Him and come to the knowledge of the truth that unless they repent and turn from their ways which God has judged as wicked and abominable and follow Christ, they will be subject to the wrath of God. This obviously does not just go for the sexually immoral, but that does happen to be the topic that this forum has dedicated the discussion to, so that is what we are discussing here.

It is actually love that motivates Christ's ambassadors and gives them the endurance to persevere despite persecution, name calling, unrighteous judgment and hate being slinged at them for contending for the faith and countering the lies of the enemy that are spoken through his servants on a daily basis in these forums.

As I have said over and over, HATE for anyone would to be to withhold the truth and allow false teachers to fill them with nice lies that send them barreling into hell.

It is truly those that are lying to them, that hate them. And one day all will know this.
My prayer is that those who don't see it now, will see it and know it, on this side of eternity.

The TRUE Gospel is not a popular message for those who do not want to hear it and repent, and allow themselves to be conformed and transformed to the image of Christ. If it was, then Jesus would not have been crucified and most of the Apostles would not have suffered heinous and barbaric deaths.

Texas Lynn said:
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Precisely why they need to acknowledge that they have been wrong about the lies and hatred of their LGBT brothers and sisters they are spreading. Thank you.

IamRedeemed · Apr 28, 2008

Again, you are entitled to your opinion, regardless of whether your judgments are misguided.

It is not God who seeks to harm mankind, it is satan, the enemy of our souls. It is God who has offered a way of Salvation, but the Salvation of the Lord is offered on His terms, not ours and certainly not on satan's.

But God said He is going to judge the earth, those whose names are not found in the Book of Life will suffer the Second Death, whether we think that is just or not really has no bearing, as we are in no position to judge God who holds the power of life and death in His hands.

The Gospel is very simple. Judgment is coming. God cannot choose not to judge the earth, because He will not violate Himself. He is a righteous God and He must judge sin and He is going to do just that. But God loves us so much that has offered a way of escape, by sending His only begotten Son, to be a sacrifice to cover the multitude of sin, of as many as will receive it and we can repent and receive His offer, or we can suffer the consequences. That is the simple reality of it all in a very straightforward nutshell.

Texas Lynn said:
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That is not what you are doing whatsoever. The arrogance of assertion that you are is most unfortunate.

False. A god who seeks to harm his LGBT children is no god at all but a horrible moster worthy only of contempt. such a god however does not xist except in the imaginations of extremists.

A hebbin with a worthless, evil god of this sort in charge would be of no use to persons of integrity. The only ones seeking entrace to it would be the opportunists and sychopants.

Such a "reward" would be a "hell" for all persons of integity. No person of any character would want to enter such an evil place.

Melethiel · Apr 28, 2008

Discuss the topic.

Don't even try to make it the slightest bit personal.

I would encourage everyone to read the Guidelines for this forum.

Texas Lynn · Apr 28, 2008

IamRedeemed said:
Again, ministers of God are not called to tickle the ears of those who wish to ignore the warnings of God and make them feel safe from the wrath of God when that is not the reality. Their loyalties are to God to preach what He has given to man, that they may know the condition they are in and where they stand before Him and come to the knowledge of the truth that unless they repent and turn from their ways which God has judged as wicked and abominable and follow Christ, they will be subject to the wrath of God. This obviously does not just go for the sexually immoral, but that does happen to be the topic that this forum has dedicated the discussion to, so that is what we are discussing here.

It is actually love that motivates Christ's ambassadors and gives them the endurance to persevere despite persecution, name calling, unrighteous judgment and hate being slinged at them for contending for the faith and countering the lies of the enemy that are spoken through his servants on a daily basis in these forums.

As I have said over and over, HATE for anyone would to be to withhold the truth and allow false teachers to fill them with nice lies that send them barreling into hell.

It is truly those that are lying to them, that hate them. And one day all will know this.
My prayer is that those who don't see it now, will see it and know it, on this side of eternity.

The TRUE Gospel is not a popular message for those who do not want to hear it and repent, and allow themselves to be conformed and transformed to the image of Christ. If it was, then Jesus would not have been crucified and most of the Apostles would not have suffered heinous and barbaric deaths.

Posters in threads on message boards are not acting as "ministers". Those who are subjected to such pretensions do not consent to such a relationship.

Texas Lynn · Apr 28, 2008

IamRedeemed said:
Again, you are entitled to your opinion, regardless of whether your judgments are misguided.

It is not God who seeks to harm mankind, it is satan, the enemy of our souls. It is God who has offered a way of Salvation, but the Salvation of the Lord is offered on His terms, not ours and certainly not on satan's.

But God said He is going to judge the earth, those whose names are not found in the Book of Life will suffer the Second Death, whether we think that is just or not really has no bearing, as we are in no position to judge God who holds the power of life and death in His hands.

The Gospel is very simple. Judgment is coming. God cannot choose not to judge the earth, because He will not violate Himself. He is a righteous God and He must judge sin and He is going to do just that. But God loves us so much that has offered a way of escape, by sending His only begotten Son, to be a sacrifice to cover the multitude of sin, of as many as will receive it and we can repent and receive His offer, or we can suffer the consequences. That is the simple reality of it all in a very straightforward nutshell.

Non sequitur.

IamRedeemed · Apr 30, 2008

TL, you wrote:

Texas Lynn said:
When a people are being killed because of words spoken from pulpits, defenisveness is a reality-based orientation.

To which I replied:

IamRedeemed said:
Those in the pulpits of God are answerable to God and not man. If they are preaching the Word of God and the ears within their hearing refuse to hear, it is not the fault of the preacher, and he has no need to repent, when he speaks the Word of Truth out of the mouth of God, for if he does not open his mouth, he is worse than an infidel and will be accountable to God for not speaking the warnings that God is calling forth to all men, that they might repent and be saved, (see Ezekiel 33:6) as it is not the will of God that any man would perish which is why He is long suffering toward us, but that all men would come to repentance. (See 2 Peter 3:9)

As the days of God's mercy and grace will be coming to an end, as the appointed time is written
and His judgment will begin. (See Acts 17:30,31)

To which you picked out the first sentence only and replied with this response:

Texas Lynn said:
Precisely why they need to acknowledge that they have been wrong about the lies and hatred of their LGBT brothers and sisters they are spreading. Thank you.

Which resulted in this response by me:

IamRedeemed said:
Again, ministers of God are not called to tickle the ears of those who wish to ignore the warnings of God and make them feel safe from the wrath of God when that is not the reality. Their loyalties are to God to preach what He has given to man, that they may know the condition they are in and where they stand before Him and come to the knowledge of the truth that unless they repent and turn from their ways which God has judged as wicked and abominable and follow Christ, they will be subject to the wrath of God. This obviously does not just go for the sexually immoral, but that does happen to be the topic that this forum has dedicated the discussion to, so that is what we are discussing here.

It is actually love that motivates Christ's ambassadors and gives them the endurance to persevere despite persecution, name calling, unrighteous judgment and hate being slinged at them for contending for the faith and countering the lies of the enemy that are spoken through his servants on a daily basis in these forums.

As I have said over and over, HATE for anyone would to be to withhold the truth and allow false teachers to fill them with nice lies that send them barreling into hell.

It is truly those that are lying to them, that hate them. And one day all will know this.
My prayer is that those who don't see it now, will see it and know it, on this side of eternity.

The TRUE Gospel is not a popular message for those who do not want to hear it and repent, and allow themselves to be conformed and transformed to the image of Christ. If it was, then Jesus would not have been crucified and most of the Apostles would not have suffered heinous and barbaric deaths.

To which now it seems you either forgot or are trying to make it seem as though we've been speaking of those who speak on forum boards, which incidently, whether you realise it or not, there are many ordained ministers, ministering God's Word on this site. You are speaking to one, not that it matters all that much as it is God who truly ordains, the papers are only a requirement of man. In fact, one does not have to be ordained by man to be ministering God's Word on these forums, they need only open their mouth according to the Word and are still ministering God's Word. As long as they are preaching sound doctrine, they have the blessing of God and the power of the Holy Spirit behind them. Those who are debating or discussing with them, do so at will. God's Word is spoken and goes forth to accomplish that which God has purposed it to do.

Texas Lynn said:
Posters in threads on message boards are not acting as "ministers". Those who are subjected to such pretensions do not consent to such a relationship.

Texas Lynn · Apr 30, 2008

IamRedeemed said:
TL, you wrote:

To which I replied:

To which you picked out the first sentence only and replied with this response:

Which resulted in this response by me:

To which now it seems you either forgot or are trying to make it seem as though we've been speaking of those who speak on forum boards, which incidently, whether you realise it or not, there are many ordained ministers, ministering God's Word on this site. You are speaking to one, not that it matters all that much as it is God who truly ordains, the papers are only a requirement of man. In fact, one does not have to be ordained by man to be ministering God's Word on these forums, they need only open their mouth according to the Word and are still ministering God's Word. As long as they are preaching sound doctrine, they have the blessing of God and the power of the Holy Spirit behind them. Those who are debating or discussing with them, do so at will. God's Word is spoken and goes forth to accomplish that which God has purposed it to do.

I do not consent to be "ministered" to by you.

IamRedeemed · May 1, 2008

Again, any time someone is sharing the Word of God and teaching, they are "ministering", whether you choose to acknowledge that or not. This IS a Christian Forum. If we were to visit a GLBT fellowship forum somewhere and "minister", I believe you would have a point, but being that you and whoever else chooses to come here to a Christian Forum and engage in discussion, that point is then mute.

Phinehas2 · May 1, 2008

Dear Texas Lynn,

False. A god who seeks to harm his LGBT children is no god at all but a horrible moster worthy only of contempt. such a god however does not xist except in the imaginations of extremists.

Who are the extremists?
There are no 'GLBT children', neither are there 'straight children', God made male and female man and woman.
God's love for the world is seen in Jesus Christ, His death and resurrection which all may choose for life in abundance and eternal.

Texas Lynn · May 1, 2008

IamRedeemed said:
Again, any time someone is sharing the Word of God and teaching, they are "ministering", whether you choose to acknowledge that or not. This IS a Christian Forum. If we were to visit a GLBT fellowship forum somewhere and "minister", I believe you would have a point, but being that you and whoever else chooses to come here to a Christian Forum and engage in discussion, that point is then mute.

This is a Christian Forum, not a Fundamentalist Forum. We Christians who believe God honors his LGBT Children and their love have equal access to those of you mired in archaic prejudices.

While your point about social intercourse and ministry has validity, I do not acknowledge any authority by you whatsoever and urge others to do the same.

Can you tell why your last word there is out of place?

Texas Lynn · May 1, 2008

Phinehas2 said:
Dear Texas Lynn,
Who are the extremists?

Let's put it this way: if in a workplace an LGBT colleague is getting married or having a baby and there's a shower the ones who would not attend out of ideology are extremists.

There are no 'GLBT children', neither are there 'straight children'

As a parent of both I know otherwise.

IamRedeemed · May 1, 2008

Exactly. God created them male and female. Two kinds of people did
He create. One He made after His own image from the dust of the ground
and the other He created using a rib of the first, as a perfect match for him.
He did not create 5-6 kinds of people.

Phinehas2 said:
Dear Texas Lynn,
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There are no 'GLBT children', neither are there 'straight children', God made male and female man and woman.
God's love for the world is seen in Jesus Christ, His death and resurrection which all may choose for life in abundance and eternal.

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