Question: Why Is Pence Better For America?

[Fantine]

There is something soothing and soporific about Pence that might appeal to some after the non-stop trauma of Trump...

But even though his manner is soothing, his policies are divisive and so socially conservative that I can't picture him getting a single vote from anyone under the age of 30.

Kasich is the best of the three Republicans you mentioned, but he always comes off as grumpy--not grumpy in an adorable way like Bernie, rumpled and hoarse with passion, but grumpy in a sort of cranky way.

I do believe that misogyny played a part in Clinton's loss, and Hailey is not only a woman but also Indian. I don't think Republicans are progressive enough to nominate an Indian woman for president.

 

[mark46]

I agree with you with regard to Pence. With regard to age, I didn't think Trump could any youth votes. In the end, they preferred Sanders, and many stayed home.

Democrats cannot take any group for granted, including union workers, Hispanics and youth.

I mention Rubio, Haily and Kasich because I believe that they are all difficult opponents for Democrats.

There is something soothing and soporific about Pence that might appeal to some after the non-stop trauma of Trump...

But even though his manner is soothing, his policies are divisive and so socially conservative that I can't picture him getting a single vote from anyone under the age of 30.

Kasich is the best of the three Republicans you mentioned, but he always comes off as grumpy--not grumpy in an adorable way like Bernie, rumpled and hoarse with passion, but grumpy in a sort of cranky way.

I do believe that misogyny played a part in Clinton's loss, and Hailey is not only a woman but also Indian. I don't think Republicans are progressive enough to nominate an Indian woman for president.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

How good or bad pence is should be irrelevant to the aspect of impeachment. If a person is guilty of something, whether or not they're punished shouldn't be determined by how good or bad their potential successor is.

 

[Fantine]

Because Pence was the leader of Trump's transition team, it's highly possible that he will be implicated as well if collusion or obstruction of justice is substantively proven, as I believe it will be.

Rachel Maddow suspects that Pence's lies are one reason why his chief of staff and communications director have already resigned--because they don't want to get implicated when Mueller's investigation is completed.

 

[Vylo]

Pence is way right of Trump. I don't think the "impeach Trump" crowd thought this through.

No, we have, there is quite enough on pence to impeach him too. Of course this would give us Ryan, who is magnitudes worse policy wise than either of the 2 aforementioned clowns.

 

[AvilaSurfer]

No, we have, there is quite enough on pence to impeach him too. Of course this would give us Ryan, who is magnitudes worse policy wise than either of the 2 aforementioned clowns.

LOL - you and your ilk just keep thinking impeachment. It'll keep you occupied while Trump actually gets things done.

 

[LoAmmi]

It'll keep you occupied while Trump actually gets things done.

If he keeps making deals with Democrats that are beneficial to the Democrats, I'm not sure you'll be nearly as giddy about Trump's presidency.

 

[Vylo]

LOL - you and your ilk just keep thinking impeachment. It'll keep you occupied while Trump actually gets things done.

The only thing he's really getting close to doing is by getting in bed with democrats. Other than that he's failed on nearly every aspect and promise of his presidency.

Make no doubt, if the dems get the house, he will be impeached. If they get the senate too, he will be convicted.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

Trump and Pence are both doing their best to clean up the mess left behind.

Doesn't matter to many. Proven as things get better they still complain.

DACA -- will be taken care of under Trump's watch.

Tax reform -- about time.

M-Bob

 

[Vylo]

Trump and Pence are both doing their best to clean up the mess left behind.

Doesn't matter to many. Proven as things get better they still complain.

DACA -- will be taken care of under Trump's watch.

Tax reform -- about time.

M-Bob

Seems like DACA will be "taken care of" by making it law. Thanks Obama.

Trump's version of tax reform is to give wealthy people tax breaks.

 

[Fantine]

Obama left a functioning government. Trump has a skeleton crew led by incompetents.

 

[AvilaSurfer]

Obama was 8 years of disaster. Trump was elected to shake things up, which he is doing. Swamp dwellers on both sides are uncomfortable, which is a good thing.
And there is 0.00, Zero, no, chance of impeachment. Period.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

Obama put DACA on the back burner so the real president could straighten out his mess later.

Trump is going to do with DACA what the past 2 presidents would not.

Then what are you all going to say about him ?

Couldn't have done it without Obama?

Remember Obama complained and did nothing.

M-Bob

 

[mark46]

I disagree.

Mueller is the one dealing with indictments for being "guilty of something".

The Congress makes a political decision on whether these crimes or other actions rise to the level of "high crimes and misdemeanors".

1) Trump tried to influence an investigation, primarily of Flynn and Mannafort. He could have fired Cuomy at any time without any reason whatsoever. The investigations were NOT slowed down. In fact, the opposite has happened. Trump is responsible for increasing the investigation.

2) Trump clearly favors a foreign policy that favors Russia.

How good or bad pence is should be irrelevant to the aspect of impeachment. If a person is guilty of something, whether or not they're punished shouldn't be determined by how good or bad their potential successor is.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

Trump has shown Russia no favors. And Russia (much smarter) than the average bear here knows they are also in Trump's cross hairs.

The plastic reset bottom with the wrong wording on it that Hillary gave the Russians broke. Made in China.

M-Bob

 

[Fantine]

Obama tried very hard to get Congress to enact comprehensive immigration reform. Because most Republicans' views were to stonewall any and everything he proposed, it went nowhere. He therefore tried to take whatever actions he believed were constitutional (and remember, he was a constitutional law professor well versed in these things) and make executive orders until such time Congress would act.

And before you blame him, remember that Trump hasn't accomplished anything BUT executive orders, most rescinding Obama's previous orders.

 

[MoonlessNight]

No, we have, there is quite enough on pence to impeach him too. Of course this would give us Ryan, who is magnitudes worse policy wise than either of the 2 aforementioned clowns.

Why stop there? If you've already impeached two people, just keep impeaching until you get your guy in charge.

I'm sure that such actions will lead to a stable political situation.