Question time. Jesus returns before or after 1000yrs

Ben12 · Feb 11, 2008

LittleLambofJesus said:
Are you also in agreement with the Roman church on being in the Milinnium?

I would take it further; Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. But God is doing a work in His people now; be it tribulation or pressure.

The Children of Israel could have taken 9 days to cross the wilderness. BUT No God led them for forty years. Why????

Deut 8:1-2 All the commandments which I command thee this day shall ye observe to do, that ye may live, and multiply, and go in and possess the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers.
2 And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments. (KJV)

Now we are walking in this wilderness of life for the same reason; not to play harps in some far away cloud.

I do look at Millennium as a thousand years there is just too much religious spin on this doctrine (I understand that is what Millennium means a 1000 yrs); but I put no time on it; it is a symbolism. I just do not believe in rapture; God wants overcomers for sons; not a bunch of people trying to escape His awesome life changing pressure.

I wrote a bit on my feelings towards the rapture on # 65. This doctrine should be closely look at instead of just following some religion blindly? There is a lot on the web; try: J Preston Eby

Ben12 · Feb 11, 2008

visionary said:
It is interesting that the Jews see that we are coming upon 7000 years of earth time. They also see this as the Jubilee of Jubilee when the whole earth shall rest.

It makes sense.

From Adam to Abraham the geneology is stated as : the father of." and takes up 2000 years.

From Abraham to Jesus the geneology is stated as "the son of" and took up another 2000 years

Since Jesus til now has been getting close to another 2000 years and it has been the time of the work of the Holy Spirit.

So each have worked with humanity for 2000 years each... and now they will rest for the 1000 as if it was a day.

Great observation;

A Brother In Christ · Feb 11, 2008

A Brother In Christ said:
Synagogue is a jewish term of assembly ... giving a clue of Law teaching ... we are not under law any more thus this church is using another Jesus to follow 2 cor 5:16, 2 cor 11:4,13-15,

look up the two differnet words for doctrine...

disache... doctrine for faith and practice
didaskalia.. doctrine for faith but not practice

the Synagogue of Satan is using didaskalia doctrtine for one practice ... which is not surprising that He would use God's word and twist the words to misdirect people as He did with Eve... in the garden

Ben12 said:
If Revelation is literal; show me is scripture?????

You are twisting Gods Word by literalizing it; you are still trying to literalize Revelation even though Revelation 1:1 declares it symbolic; No where does it say Revelation is a literal book or even partly it literal or prophetic.

Oh I know what a synagogue is; yes it is a Jewish Assembly and that is what I have already expressed. It is also a fake replacement for Gods Temple established in Baby-lon (There is a symbolism). Religious man be it Christian (religious hard headed people or day) or Jews (religious hard headed people in Jesus and Johns day); built this structure on their own. Just like religion today building their outward kingdoms/religious systems/denominations today. It was not directed by God; the Jews lost Gods favor when they first built their Synagogue in Baby-lon; that is the only reason the synagogue was built. It still is a man made, man established example to this day (there still is no temple sense the time of Jesus; nor will there ever be a literal temple again).

So if man is using their imagination which is evil always ... gen 6:5

or believe God who does what he says ..... I bet on God word

show me in prophecy which has been fulfilled and tell me if it litteral or alagorical

rev 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen[vision], and the things which are[churches.. rev 2-4] and the things which shall be hereafter[rev 4:1-rev 22]

rough outline

Ben12 · Feb 11, 2008

A Brother In Christ said:
So if man is using their imagination which is evil always ... gen 6:5

or believe God who does what he says ..... I bet on God word

show me in prophecy which has been fulfilled and tell me if it litteral or alagorical

rev 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen[vision], and the things which are[churches.. rev 2-4] and the things which shall be hereafter[rev 4:1-rev 22]

rough outline

I totally bet on God's Word; I just do not trust translators.

There are many prophecies that have been literal; the Bible is full of them. I am speaking of the Book of Revelation; the first verse shows the foundation to the whole book; unless you can show me it is literal?

Revelations 1:1

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass (not 2000 years); and he sent and signified (signs and symbols) it by his angel (messenger) unto his servant John:

John was in Spirit on the Lord’s Day; this makes the Revelation a spiritual book; not literal, not carnal, not prophetic. (Please show me in scripture if I am wrong?) Revelation or the unveiling of Jesus Christ; it is the most spiritual Book in all the Bible; and I always put Genesis in second place. It is a book full of hidden spiritual symbolisms and for those who have the spiritual eyes or ears to see or hear it.

If this awesome spiritual book is something other then I am saying; then please show me in scripture your view point. If you can’t prove it in scripture; especially after I just showed you then all you have is dogma, religion, doctrine. Should I believe you, orthodoxy, or who ever; maybe your church or denomination; or God’s Word.

Should I believe you or God’s Word? I am backing my claim by God’s Word it is symbolic; so if you say it is literal then prove it with God’s Word? Yes there are literal Churches or assemblies; but there is a deep spiritual hidden message under the surface. Look closely at that first chapter and there are all kinds of foundations that establish revelations in this context Book of Revelations is the Revelation’s of Jesus Christ with in us; not without.

This one little word is so reverent to the whole book Revelations; ‘signified” or signs and symbols. The Book Revelations can only be understood but as a very deep and awesome spiritual book by using signs and symbols that can only be found in the Bible. Where do you find these signs and symbols; all thought the Bible; written yes by the hands of deep spiritual men from many ages. But all with God’s anointing of God’s Spirit leading and guiding them; not some system of man and his religions.

Ben12 · Feb 11, 2008

A Brother In Christ said:
So if man is using their imagination which is evil always ... gen 6:5

or believe God who does what he says ..... I bet on God word

show me in prophecy which has been fulfilled and tell me if it litteral or alagorical

rev 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen[vision], and the things which are[churches.. rev 2-4] and the things which shall be hereafter[rev 4:1-rev 22]

rough outline

These one liners are pretty hard to figure out what you want? If you are speaking of what is being seen ( vision) John was in spirit; are you trying to bring down to the literal what John saw; as carnal, literal something understood with carnal religious eyes? Well if that is the case then we would have had this awesome book all figured out right after John wrote it.

Even the Greek makes seeing more the just voluntary observation. See: NT:3700 optanomai (op-tan'-om-ahee); a (middle voice) prolonged form of the primary (middle voice) optomai (op'-tom-ahee); which is used for it in certain tenses; and both as alternate of NT:3708; to gaze (i.e. with wide-open eyes, as at something remarkable; and thus differing from NT:991, which denotes simply voluntary observation; and from NT:1492, which expresses merely mechanical, passive or casual vision; while NT:2300, and still more emphatically its intensive NT:2334, signifies an earnest but more continued inspection; and NT:4648 a watching from a distance):

No John was in spirit on the Lord’s day; this vision was beyond human religious carnal eyes; I heard a Baptist say on the radio one day “that when you see something in scriptures that is so awesome and so impossible and only a few can see it. That is spiritual.

When speaking of the mystery (GK sacred secret) of the seven churches; seven stars, lamp stand; etc. This is really deep and spiritual; so where do you want to begin; one liners will not work..too deep... Lets start with the lamp stand/candlestick. What does the lamp stand/candlestick mean to you in Revelation?

Ben12 · Feb 12, 2008

According to Ray Prinzing:

-"Revelation 2:1 carries right on with this, adding one more word to the phrase, "These things says He that HOLDS the seven stars in His right hand . . . " We note the word "holds"-- from the Greek "krateo" TO LAY HOLD ON. God has, and IS laying hold of, apprehending a people for Himself. They are becoming a part of His RIGHT HAND COMPANY. They are so held by Him, that His hand cannot move without them being moved with it. Furthermore, they don't move until the hand moves. But becoming totally one in the WILL of the right hand, when moved it is with all the ability, power, authority of that hand." ( Whispers Of the Mysteries, Ray Prinzing )

-Let us now try to point out a few things concerning this mystery. We are told that the seven stars are the seven angels of the seven churches. We are then told that they are in the Lords right hand. The Greek word for angel is aggelos, literally a messenger. The word angel is not the translation of the Greek word, only its English spelling. The term right hand speaks of power and strength. Hereafter shall we see the Son of Man sitting on the RIGHT HAND OF POWER ( Matthew 26:64 ) The term seven churches speaks of the seven ( spiritual perfection ) church ages:
1. EPHESUS - APOSTOLIC CHURCH
2. SMYRNA - MARTYR CHURCH
3. PERGAMOS - STATE CHURCH
4. THYATIRA - PAPAL CHURCH
5. SARDIS - REFORMATION CHURCH
6. PHILADELPHIA - MISSIONARY CHURCH
7. LAODICEA - APOSTATE CHURCH
-
Yes they were seven literal chruches named and discribed during Johns time; Revelation is opening to us a much deeper meaning though symbolism of these natural literal churches. These are the seven church system God ordained thought the church age... There is so much more to this.

We can now see and understand that the mystery of the seven stars speaks of God, throughout the church ages, laying hold of a remnant ( His messengers ), and elevating them to a position of power, strength, and authority.

According to Ray Prinzing:
-"These stars shall give forth His light, HIS MESSAGE, to stand and feed in the strength of the Lord, in the power of His right hand. They shall abide-- not like unto those who rise up in a brilliant display to dash across the heavens, and burn out-- these are FIXED in God, positioned in the place He has prepared for them, and prepared them for. They are His sign of PEACE when the enemy would tread in the palace-- seeking to usurp the dominion. They shall destroy the adversaries with the brightness of their shining, and they shall restore righteousness in all the earth. "Peace on earth, good will toward men." (Whispers Of The Mysteries, Ray Prinzing)

Markea · Feb 12, 2008

Ben12 said:
I am not an amil what ever that is BUT.....

SO how would you know if you're not amil if you don't understand what amil actually is..?

You can give Satan all the glory you want to but the earth is the Lords and Satan has no control unless God ordains it. I have people say that Satan is the ruler of the world; but where?

Right here..

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. (2 Cor 4:3-4)

and here...

Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. (Eph 6:11-12)

So what are you doing in an eschatology forum if you do not know these basic things..?

A Brother In Christ · Feb 12, 2008

Ben12 said:
I totally bet on God's Word; I just do not trust translators.

There are many prophecies that have been literal; the Bible is full of them. I am speaking of the Book of Revelation; the first verse shows the foundation to the whole book; unless you can show me it is literal?

Revelations 1:1

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass (not 2000 years); and he sent and signified (signs and symbols) it by his angel (messenger) unto his servant John:

John was in Spirit on the Lords Day; this makes the Revelation a spiritual book; not literal, not carnal, not prophetic. (Please show me in scripture if I am wrong?) Revelation or the unveiling of Jesus Christ; it is the most spiritual Book in all the Bible; and I always put Genesis in second place. It is a book full of hidden spiritual symbolisms and for those who have the spiritual eyes or ears to see or hear it.

If this awesome spiritual book is something other then I am saying; then please show me in scripture your view point. If you cant prove it in scripture; especially after I just showed you then all you have is dogma, religion, doctrine. Should I believe you, orthodoxy, or who ever; maybe your church or denomination; or Gods Word.

Should I believe you or Gods Word? I am backing my claim by Gods Word it is symbolic; so if you say it is literal then prove it with Gods Word? Yes there are literal Churches or assemblies; but there is a deep spiritual hidden message under the surface. Look closely at that first chapter and there are all kinds of foundations that establish revelations in this context Book of Revelations is the Revelations of Jesus Christ with in us; not without.

This one little word is so reverent to the whole book Revelations; signified or signs and symbols. The Book Revelations can only be understood but as a very deep and awesome spiritual book by using signs and symbols that can only be found in the Bible. Where do you find these signs and symbols; all thought the Bible; written yes by the hands of deep spiritual men from many ages. But all with Gods anointing of Gods Spirit leading and guiding them; not some system of man and his religions.

Ben12 said:
These one liners are pretty hard to figure out what you want? If you are speaking of what is being seen ( vision) John was in spirit; are you trying to bring down to the literal what John saw; as carnal, literal something understood with carnal religious eyes? Well if that is the case then we would have had this awesome book all figured out right after John wrote it.

Even the Greek makes seeing more the just voluntary observation. See: NT:3700 optanomai (op-tan'-om-ahee); a (middle voice) prolonged form of the primary (middle voice) optomai (op'-tom-ahee); which is used for it in certain tenses; and both as alternate of NT:3708; to gaze (i.e. with wide-open eyes, as at something remarkable; and thus differing from NT:991, which denotes simply voluntary observation; and from NT:1492, which expresses merely mechanical, passive or casual vision; while NT:2300, and still more emphatically its intensive NT:2334, signifies an earnest but more continued inspection; and NT:4648 a watching from a distance):

No John was in spirit on the Lords day; this vision was beyond human religious carnal eyes; I heard a Baptist say on the radio one day that when you see something in scriptures that is so awesome and so impossible and only a few can see it. That is spiritual.

When speaking of the mystery (GK sacred secret) of the seven churches; seven stars, lamp stand; etc. This is really deep and spiritual; so where do you want to begin; one liners will not work..too deep... Lets start with the lamp stand/candlestick. What does the lamp stand/candlestick mean to you in Revelation?

lets look at scripture...

rev 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand, and the seven golden lampstands: The seven stars are the angels [messengers/bishops] of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands which you saw are the seven churches.

literal ... but some people make it hard

as I did just shortly ago....

LittleLambofJesus · Feb 12, 2008

1. EPHESUS - APOSTOLIC CHURCH
2. SMYRNA - MARTYRCHURCH
3. PERGAMOS - STATECHURCH
4. THYATIRA - PAPAL CHURCH
5. SARDIS - REFORMATION CHURCH
6. PHILADELPHIA - MISSIONARY CHURCH
7. LAODICEA - APOSTATE CHURCH

Sounds good to me though I do not think the Orthodox Judeans [nor the RCs]will go for it. I debated the Jews one time and one of them actually exclaimed they did not know they were in Revelation!!!! [will have to try and find that on the NCR board]

[Smiley's put in by none other than LLOJ].

Jeremiah 43:10 And say unto them, Thus saith YHWH"of hosts, the Elohim of Israel; Behold, I will send and take Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon, My Servant, and will set his throne upon these stones that I have hid; and he shall spread his royal pavilion over them.

Reve 9:11 and they are having on them a king, the messenger of the abyss, name to him to-Hebrew, Abaddon/abaddwn <3>, and in the greecian name he is having Destroyer/Ruiner/apolluwn <623>.

Luke 21:28 Beginning yet to be becoming these-things, up-bend ye!, and lift up! the heads of ye, thru-that is nearing the Loosing/apolutrwsiV <629> of Ye

http://christianforums.com/t6814752-martin-luther-identifies-the-antichrist-over-500-years-ago.html

Ben12 · Feb 12, 2008

Just to add to what I am speaking of’ God uses all theses types, shadows, symbolisms in scripture because we cannot see His reality; as well as we desire; because of religious corrupt men have altered the truth. But the picture language of the Bible has unchangeableness where religious men did not understand what God’s Spirit was saying; so they cannot not altar God’s Word which they have so often in the past to promote their bias.

Look at the lamp stand:

A lamp is a light; just like Jesus; who is so often described as various types of light. I have always loved the concept of Jesus being “the bright and morning star”. In my words a tiny insignificant light in a very dark morning star; so often the only light out there; but with a promise of a new and glorious day; Rev. 22:16 proclaims: because I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Hold on to the thought of David that is my next area I want ot touch upon.

Revelation 22:16
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Notice my drawing I did for my Icon on the top of my avatar. The lamp stand was a piece of furniture that was in the Tabernacle in the wilderness as well all the temples; when God’s builds something it is more then just a piece of furniture; it is something where He hides those little mystery’s so we can learn His glory; who He really is. Like all the furniture in the temple there was always a much deeper and awesome meaning.

Lamp stand was made by beaten gold; that is the craftsman would literally beat the gold to desired shape. Gold is symbolic of divine life which takes trials and tribulations to accomplish.

Gold always speak of divinity, silver speaks of redemption; brass; judgment; and iron; will. The pearl is an interesting jewel; it only jewel I know of that a product of life. Then put these thoughts together and spin it with the verse below.

Matt 7:6</SPAN>Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. 7Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:</SPAN>

The lamp had seven staffs attached to one staff; symbolic of seven spirits of God in Isaiah 11:2; but one God. The number seven is always used when speaking of divine completeness; here are a few examples: [Genesis 7:2, Isaiah 11:2, 7 Spirits of God, 7 churches, 7 days of creation]

Fire is symbolic of the purging power of Holy Spirit. Cloven Tongues of fire; God is a consuming fire; etc Everyday the priest would have to immerse the lamp in olive oil (symbolic of God’s anointing) and light the lamp with fire.

There are three places in the temple/tabernacle; outer court (also should mention the three feast (Basic salvation/Feast of Passover); Holy Place (Pentecost’s Feast of Pentecost) That is where the lamp stand was placed; the light was placed in the Holy Place for light. (not a lot of light but in a dark place and a long night; at least it is better then the outer court; where there was no light)

And then we come to the Holy of holies/ or Feast of Tabernacle) Here there is no lamp; and why should there be; for God’s Glory was all the light ever needed

This gets very deep and if you want to dig deeper look for George Warnock’s book free to down load on Web called “The Feast of Tabernacles”

This shows me a deeper abiding place in God; using OT types and symbolisms. In my Fathers house are many mansions; or Greek (abode) abiding place. So do you all have a different abiding place then me. My place is not to condemn that abiding place but to seek, ask and knock to know God in a deeper abiding place that I am now

visionary · Feb 12, 2008

Ben12 said:
Just to add to what I am speaking of’ God uses all theses types, shadows, symbolisms in scripture because we cannot see His reality; as well as we desire; because of religious corrupt men have altered the truth. But the picture language of the Bible has unchangeableness where religious men did not understand what God’s Spirit was saying; so they cannot not altar God’s Word which they have so often in the past to promote their bias.

Look at the lamp stand:

A lamp is a light; just like Jesus; who is so often described as various types of light. I have always loved the concept of Jesus being “the bright and morning star”. In my words a tiny insignificant light in a very dark morning star; so often the only light out there; but with a promise of a new and glorious day; Rev. 22:16 proclaims: because I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Hold on to the thought of David that is my next area I want ot touch upon.

Revelation 22:16
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Notice my drawing I did for my Icon on the top of my avatar. The lamp stand was a piece of furniture that was in the Tabernacle in the wilderness as well all the temples; when God’s builds something it is more then just a piece of furniture; it is something where He hides those little mystery’s so we can learn His glory; who He really is. Like all the furniture in the temple there was always a much deeper and awesome meaning.

Lamp stand was made by beaten gold; that is the craftsman would literally beat the gold to desired shape. Gold is symbolic of divine life which takes trials and tribulations to accomplish.

Gold always speak of divinity, silver speaks of redemption; brass; judgment; and iron; will. The pearl is an interesting jewel; it only jewel I know of that a product of life. Then put these thoughts together and spin it with the verse below.

Matt 7:6</SPAN>Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. 7Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:</SPAN>

The lamp had seven staffs attached to one staff; symbolic of seven spirits of God in Isaiah 11:2; but one God. The number seven is always used when speaking of divine completeness; here are a few examples: [Genesis 7:2, Isaiah 11:2, 7 Spirits of God, 7 churches, 7 days of creation]

Fire is symbolic of the purging power of Holy Spirit. Cloven Tongues of fire; God is a consuming fire; etc Everyday the priest would have to immerse the lamp in olive oil (symbolic of God’s anointing) and light the lamp with fire.

There are three places in the temple/tabernacle; outer court (also should mention the three feast (Basic salvation/Feast of Passover); Holy Place (Pentecost’s Feast of Pentecost) That is where the lamp stand was placed; the light was placed in the Holy Place for light. (not a lot of light but in a dark place and a long night; at least it is better then the outer court; where there was no light)

And then we come to the Holy of holies/ or Feast of Tabernacle) Here there is no lamp; and why should there be; for God’s Glory was all the light ever needed

This gets very deep and if you want to dig deeper look for George Warnock’s book free to down load on Web called “The Feast of Tabernacles”

This shows me a deeper abiding place in God; using OT types and symbolisms. In my Fathers house are many mansions; or Greek (abode) abiding place. So do you all have a different abiding place then me. My place is not to condemn that abiding place but to seek, ask and knock to know God in a deeper abiding place that I am now

Did you know that all the outer court articles were made out of brass while that which is in the Holy part of the temple is made of silver and gold?

visionary · Feb 12, 2008

And then we come to the Holy of holies/ or Feast of Tabernacle)

There is only one time that the High Priest [not any other priest] enters into the Most Holy and it was NOT during the Feast of Tabernacles but the Day of Atonement [Yom Kippur} or better known as the Day of Judgment.

LittleLambofJesus · Feb 12, 2008

visionary said:
Did you know that all the outer court articles were made out of brass while that which is in the Holy part of the temple is made of silver and gold?

Yepperz. Jesus mentioned that a few times along with most of the book of Hebrews.

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Luke 21:5 And certain saying about the temple that to stones goodly and devoted things/anaqhmasin <334> it hath been adorned/kekosmhtai <2885>, he said,
6 `These which ye are beholding--days in which not shall be being left stone upon stone which not shall be being domolished/kataluqhsetai <2647> (5701) ,

Hebrews 7:12 For of being changed the Priesthood, out of necessity also, of Law a change is becoming/ginetai <1096> (5736),

zeke37 · Feb 12, 2008

visionary said:
There is only one time that the High Priest [not any other priest] enters into the Most Holy and it was NOT during the Feast of Tabernacles but the Day of Atonement [Yom Kippur} or better known as the Day of Judgment.

would John the Batist's father have had to follow those rules (if that is what they are?) he could not speak, remember, until John was born...he was the high priest (the course of Abiyah/Abiah) one of 12 courses of the priests...that were done 2 times a year....the major festivals were done by another chosen priest...(this is one way that we ca calculate the birth and conception of Messiah....birth app. Sept 29/30...conception app. Dec25th....cool eh!

to my recollection, old Zac was indeed in the Holy of Holy's....and it was not the Day of Atonement

the days do not match that of the Day of Atonement....

perhaps we should look into this a little more...???

in His service
c

Ben12 · Feb 12, 2008

visionary said:
There is only one time that the High Priest [not any other priest] enters into the Most Holy and it was NOT during the Feast of Tabernacles but the Day of Atonement [Yom Kippur} or better known as the Day of Judgment.

I believe it was Samual who slept in the Holy of Holies; then you take David who was King and the Ark of God was placed in a tent/tabernacle on Mt Zion; Can you imagine every day incountering God glory on your porch.

Let me dig a little on the Feast of Tabernacle?

LittleLambofJesus · Feb 12, 2008

deleted by LLOJ............OT

Ben12 · Feb 12, 2008

visionary said:
There is only one time that the High Priest [not any other priest] enters into the Most Holy and it was NOT during the Feast of Tabernacles but the Day of Atonement [Yom Kippur} or better known as the Day of Judgment.

There were three feasts in one by the Feast of Tabernacles proper, which gives its name to the entire set of events; First there was the Blowing of Trumpets, followed by the Day of Atonement, and finally Feast of Tabernacles

Ben12 · Feb 12, 2008

LittleLambofJesus said:
I believe the Orthodox Jews refer to it as the Feast of Booths? The Greek word for that is used often in the NC of the Bible.

http://www.jewfaq.org/holiday5.htm

The Hebrew word "sukkah" (plural: "sukkot") refers to the temporary Booths that people lived in, not to the Tabernacle

Leviticus 23:42 `In booths/05521 cukkah ye dwell seven days; all who are natives in Israel dwell in booths/05521 cukkah,

John 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and booths/eskhnwsen <4637> (5656) IN US, and we esteem the glory of Him, glory as an Only-begotten beside Father, full of Grace and Truth

Hebrew 9:3 After yet the second veil, a booth/skhnh <4633>, the one being said holy of holies.

Hebrew 10:20 Which he doth re-new to us a Way, toward-slain/prosfaton <4372> and living, thru the veil/katapetasmatoV <2665>, the being the flesh of Him.

Revelation 21:3 and I hear a voice, great, out of the heaven, saying, `Behold!, the booth/skhnh <4633> of the God with the men, and He shall be boothing/skhnwsei <4637> (5692) with them, and they, peoples of Him shall be and He, the God is with them

Amen. I understand that people lived in their individual booths during the Feast of Tabernacle; but are you implying that The Tabernacle of David is a booth?

LittleLambofJesus · Feb 12, 2008

Ben12 said:
Amen. I understand that people lived in their individual booths during the Feast of Tabernacle; but are you implying that The Tabernacle of David is a booth?

Hi. I would rather just keep this thread concerning the OP.
You could go to the Messianic Judaism board or the NCR board where a few Orthodox Jews also discuss OC Judaism.

http://christianforums.com/f76-non-christian-religion.html

visionary · Feb 12, 2008

zeke37 said:
would John the Batist's father have had to follow those rules (if that is what they are?) he could not speak, remember, until John was born..The first passage we will consider begins with the father of John the Baptist, Zacharias:

Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.

Luke 1:8 And it came to pass, that while he executed the priest's office before God in the order of his course, ...

Luke 1:23 And it came to pass, that, as soon as the days of his ministration were accomplished, he departed to his own house.
Luke 1:24 And after those days his wife Elisabeth conceived, ...

.he was the high priest (the course of Abiyah/Abiah) one of 12 courses of the priests..King David on God's instructions (1 Chr 28:11-13) had divided the sons of Aaron into 24 groups (1 Chr 24:1-4), to setup a schedule by which the Temple of the Lord could be staffed with priests all year round in an orderly manner. After the 24 groups of priests were established, lots were drawn to determine the sequence in which each group would serve in the Temple. (1 Chr 24: 7-19).

.that were done 2 times a year....the major festivals were done by another chosen priest...Lu 1:9 According to the custom of the priest's office, his lot was to burn incense when he went into the temple of the Lord. That would be in the Holy but not the Most Holy which is only entered once a year.(this is one way that we calculate the birth and conception of Messiah....True

birth app. Sept 29/30...conception app. Dec25th....cool eh! Wrong Beginning with the first month, Nisan, in the spring (March-April), the schedule of the priest's courses would result with Zacharias serving during the 10th week of the year. This is because he was a member of the course of Abia (Abijah), the 8th course, and both the Feast of Unleavened Bread (15-21 Nisan) and Pentecost (6 Sivan) would have occurred before his scheduled duty. This places Zacharias' administration in the Temple as beginning on the second Sabbath of the third month, Sivan (May-June).

to my recollection, old Zac was indeed in the Holy of Holy's....and it was not the Day of Atonement Not accurate...Already explained.
the days do not match that of the Day of Atonement.... I agree
perhaps we should look into this a little more...???

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Now working from the information about John's conception late in the third month, Sivan, and advancing six months, we arrive late in the 9th month of Kislev (Nov-Dec) for the time frame for the conception of Jesus. It is notable here that the first day of the Jewish festival of Hanukkah, the Festival of Lights, is celebrated on the 25th day of Kislev, and Jesus is called the light of the world (John 8:12, 9:5, 12:46). This does not appear to be a mere coincidence. In the book of John, Hanukkah is called the feast of dedication (John 10:22). Hanukkah is an eight day festival, celebrating the relighting of the menorah in the rededicated Temple, which according to the story, stayed lit miraculously for eight days on only one day's supply of oil.

Question time. Jesus returns before or after 1000yrs

What I think about the 1000yr period

Before the 1000yrs

During the 1000yrs

After the 1000yrs

Doesn't matter to me

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Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git!

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Your God is my God... Ruth said, so say I.

Your God is my God... Ruth said, so say I.

Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git!

IMO...

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Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git!

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Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git!

Your God is my God... Ruth said, so say I.

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