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Ok this is interesting. Why is it a few Roman Catholics voted Jesus coming AFTER the 1000yr period though a few did put "didn't matter".
Something smells a little "fishy" here.
I didn't think the question needed dozens of options.Maybe because you left out NOT AVAILABLE and so a best guess choice was made?
I mentioned that early on and so did another person. Not enough options bro.
Synagogue is a jewish term of assembly ... giving a clue of Law teaching ... we are not under law any more thus this church is using another Jesus to follow 2 cor 5:16, 2 cor 11:4,13-15,
look up the two differnet words for doctrine...
disache... doctrine for faith and practice
didaskalia.. doctrine for faith but not practice
the Synagogue of Satan is using didaskalia doctrtine for one practice ... which is not surprising that He would use God's word and twist the words to misdirect people as He did with Eve... in the garden
If Revelation is literal; show me is scripture?????
You are twisting Gods Word by literalizing it; you are still trying to literalize Revelation even though Revelation 1:1 declares it symbolic; No where does it say Revelation is a literal book or even partly it literal or prophetic.
Oh I know what a synagogue is; yes it is a Jewish Assembly and that is what I have already expressed. It is also a fake replacement for Gods Temple established in Baby-lon (There is a symbolism). Religious man be it Christian (religious hard headed people or day) or Jews (religious hard headed people in Jesus and Johns day); built this structure on their own. Just like religion today building their outward kingdoms/religious systems/denominations today. It was not directed by God; the Jews lost Gods favor when they first built their Synagogue in Baby-lon; that is the only reason the synagogue was built. It still is a man made, man established example to this day (there still is no temple sense the time of Jesus; nor will there ever be a literal temple again).
So if man is using their imagination which is evil always ... gen 6:5
or believe God who does what he says ..... I bet on God word
show me in prophecy which has been fulfilled and tell me if it litteral or alagorical
rev 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen[vision], and the things which are[churches.. rev 2-4] and the things which shall be hereafter[rev 4:1-rev 22]
rough outline
I totally bet on God's Word; I just do not trust translators.
There are many prophecies that have been literal; the Bible is full of them. I am speaking of the Book of Revelation; the first verse shows the foundation to the whole book; unless you can show me it is literal?
Revelations 1:1
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass (not 2000 years); and he sent and signified (signs and symbols) it by his angel (messenger) unto his servant John:
John was in Spirit on the Lords Day; this makes the Revelation a spiritual book; not literal, not carnal, not prophetic. (Please show me in scripture if I am wrong?) Revelation or the unveiling of Jesus Christ; it is the most spiritual Book in all the Bible; and I always put Genesis in second place. It is a book full of hidden spiritual symbolisms and for those who have the spiritual eyes or ears to see or hear it.
If this awesome spiritual book is something other then I am saying; then please show me in scripture your view point. If you cant prove it in scripture; especially after I just showed you then all you have is dogma, religion, doctrine. Should I believe you, orthodoxy, or who ever; maybe your church or denomination; or Gods Word.
Should I believe you or Gods Word? I am backing my claim by Gods Word it is symbolic; so if you say it is literal then prove it with Gods Word? Yes there are literal Churches or assemblies; but there is a deep spiritual hidden message under the surface. Look closely at that first chapter and there are all kinds of foundations that establish revelations in this context Book of Revelations is the Revelations of Jesus Christ with in us; not without.
This one little word is so reverent to the whole book Revelations; signified or signs and symbols. The Book Revelations can only be understood but as a very deep and awesome spiritual book by using signs and symbols that can only be found in the Bible. Where do you find these signs and symbols; all thought the Bible; written yes by the hands of deep spiritual men from many ages. But all with Gods anointing of Gods Spirit leading and guiding them; not some system of man and his religions.
These one liners are pretty hard to figure out what you want? If you are speaking of what is being seen ( vision) John was in spirit; are you trying to bring down to the literal what John saw; as carnal, literal something understood with carnal religious eyes? Well if that is the case then we would have had this awesome book all figured out right after John wrote it.
Even the Greek makes seeing more the just voluntary observation. See: NT:3700 optanomai (op-tan'-om-ahee); a (middle voice) prolonged form of the primary (middle voice) optomai (op'-tom-ahee); which is used for it in certain tenses; and both as alternate of NT:3708; to gaze (i.e. with wide-open eyes, as at something remarkable; and thus differing from NT:991, which denotes simply voluntary observation; and from NT:1492, which expresses merely mechanical, passive or casual vision; while NT:2300, and still more emphatically its intensive NT:2334, signifies an earnest but more continued inspection; and NT:4648 a watching from a distance):
No John was in spirit on the Lords day; this vision was beyond human religious carnal eyes; I heard a Baptist say on the radio one day that when you see something in scriptures that is so awesome and so impossible and only a few can see it. That is spiritual.
When speaking of the mystery (GK sacred secret) of the seven churches; seven stars, lamp stand; etc. This is really deep and spiritual; so where do you want to begin; one liners will not work..too deep... Lets start with the lamp stand/candlestick. What does the lamp stand/candlestick mean to you in Revelation?
lets look at scripture...
rev 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand, and the seven golden lampstands: The seven stars are the angels [messengers/bishops] of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands which you saw are the seven churches.
literal ... but some people make it hard
as I did just shortly ago....
I answer ben12 ... with a literal interpetation
silence.... naturally
I thing you need to go back and read my comments; and if you have any more questions please ask away. But at the same time when asking me a question give me enough details so I can understand where you are coming from?
NextLITERAL INTERPTATION ....
only way of being spiritual is walking in the spirit... gal 5:25 , col 3:1-4
when one is being spiritual ... one then can love other believers ... otherwise not possible
So loving God is not spiritual? What is spiritual? What are spiritual things? What are treasures in heaven? What are the true riches? Let me simplify this for you. If sinners can have it or do it without God — it’s not spiritual! Someone says, “I’m spiritual because I fast.” Witches fast! Another says, “I’m spiritual because I prosper and give vast sums of money to this ministry and that.” Indeed! Mafia king-pins also prosper and give large amounts of money to all kinds of worthy causes that help and bless people, and the good they do is often more than the churches do with their money. You see, human nature is wont to equate spirituality with what we do, or with what we possess. No! A thousand times no!LITERAL INTERPTATION ....
only way of being spiritual is walking in the spirit... gal 5:25 , col 3:1-4
when one is being spiritual ... one then can love other believers ... otherwise not possible
I guess you have not read a thing I have written? Give me a Phophecy in Revelation and we will take it from there?col 3:1-4 is how to become spiritual... knowing what God says about us in Christ is the first part
... resting in that position... heb 4:9-10
when we do this the Holy Spirit comes and fills are lack gal 5:22-26,
2 tim 2:1 we get impowerment from the HS by the grace
show me a prophecy that has been fulfilled not be literal
Give me a Phophecy in Revelation and we will take it from there?
What did it say would happen after the 6000 years?"The Tanna debe Eliyyahu taught, "The world is to exist six thousand years; the first two thousand years are to be void. The next two thousand years are the period of the Torah, and the following two thousand years are the period of the Messiah. Through our many sins a number of these days have already passed, [and the Messiah is not yet.]"
Avodah Zarah 9a, Babylonian Talmud, Soncino Edition
THIS is why the RCC did not include Enoch and other more "spiritual" books in the Bible. THEY can't understand it so they assign spiritual connotations to the symbolism. Then, when a person asks a member of the RCC about Revelation, they cannot answer but say "it's highly symbolic" and fall back on someone else's answer.And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, and cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years shall be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season." (Revelation 20:1,-3).
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He sent and signified it..." Told by signs and symbols, revealed in a figure, and thus we have noted that we have horses, and beasts, and seals, and trumpets, vials, etc. and each has pointed to its own working, whether in bestial systems, or carnal natures, organizations, governmental orders, etc. And there is that which can also be understood as A STATE OR CONDITION. Here in the symbolism of "a bottomless pit," we have an excellent description of a state or condition wherein there is NO PLACE FOR A FOUNDATION upon which to build, to further a cause, to carry out a purpose.
When the Deceiver of the nations is cast into the bottomless pit, it means that he has been confined to a realm where he cannot further his devious work. If there is no basis for his activity, no foundation upon which He can operate, obviously he cannot build a superstructure of his evil.
Jesus clearly taught that in building a house, one must have a solid foundation if it is to stand, The wise man built his house upon a rock, but "the foolish man built his house upon the sand: and the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it." (Matthew 7:26-27).
Far too much of man's religious activity has been built upon man's own will, presuming it was also the will of the Lord; and then we ask God to bless and sustain it. But God is not obligated to undergird the programs of man, only that which is founded upon His own direct Word. "So shall My Word be that goeth forth out of My mouth: it shall not return unto Me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereunto I sent it." (Isaiah 55:11).
True faith means that we have a revelation from God upon which to base our belief, and action. "Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." (Hebrews 11:1).
So clear and simple are the words, "By FAITH Abraham, when he was called to go out... obeyed." (Hebrews 11:8). But when we read the record in Genesis 12:1, it says, "Now the Lord had said unto Abraham, Get thee out of thy country." There was a DEFINITE WORD FROM THE LORD upon which to base all future action. The Word of the Lord abides! Stormy winds of doubt may blow, circumstantial evidence might seem to be quite contrary, but with the solid FOUNDATION, one can weather the storm, and go on to the fullness of victory.
Faith is the SUBSTANCE-- the Greek word used here means: substratum, that undergirding rock, the foundation for all that is to be built thereon. Even in spiritual progress, going from faith to faith, from glory to glory, we do not lose this substance " for it remains as the solid undergirding of our believing. And it is also to be noted that the Hebrew word for "glory" literally means: weighty, or heaviness, which is more than just effulgence, but also speaks of substance. Faith and glory are abiding realities!
A foundation is essential. "If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?" (Psalm 11:3). We see the truth of this all around us, as the foundational structure of the morality of our society is being eroded. One cannot repair corruption! Hence the need for the JUDGMENTS of God, bringing an end to the old order, and the establishment of anew heaven and new earth wherein dwelleth righteousness. Rather than just "patching up," or trying to infuse the old with new life, in time the call comes ringing loud and clear, "We would have healed Babylon, but she is not healed: forsake her..." (Jeremiah 51:9).
Now, while it is true, that if the foundations be destroyed, there is nothing a righteous man can do, until a new foundation is brought forth upon which he can build, conversely, if the foundation upon which negation builds is destroyed, then what can evil do?
How progressive is the "revelation of Jesus Christ," Now we see Him in the victorious working of confining Satan to a state where he cannot operate. When all the judgments of God have accomplished their purpose, and a cleansing has taken place, so that there is no corruption, no negativity, no basis upon which the adversary can work-- then he has been totally down-idled.
"Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, He also Himself likewise took part of the same; that through death He might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil." (Hebrews 2:14).
Destroy-- here we have the Greek word "katargeo" which means: to make of none effect, disannul, make inactive, useless, from the root "to down-idle." What a marvelous victory, to down-idle Satan until he is thoroughly inactive and useless.
This is the TRIUMPH OF THE JUDGMENTS OF GOD! His purging and cleansing will remove all the roots of evil in us, all the foundation on which evil built its expression. When all the self-will and rebellion are gone, there is nothing within upon which the negative can work. Jesus said, "For the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in Me." (John 14:30). And such will be said of all those whom He has thoroughly cleansed and brought into union with Himself. There will be naught within that enables the adversary to gain a toe-hold, No inside traitors to open the door for the negative to come in. There will be no foundation for an evil work. Thus, we could say, THESE REDEEMED ONES have become "a bottomless pit" to the enemy, for they have become a part of that POSITIVE LIFE FORCE that shall restrain all of Satan's activity. In Christ these OVERCOMERS will have total control over the enemy-- no more will he usurp dominion over them.
"Behold, I give you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all power of the enemy." (Luke 10:19). "And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly." (Romans 16:20).
Jesus taught, "When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace: but when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils." (Luke 11:21-22).
What has been the armour of the adversary? Unbelief, fear, darkness, the unknown, ignorance, and death, etc. How the negative realms have used all of these, and preyed upon men to wound, to kill, to destroy.
Now, Jesus Christ hath "brought life and incorruption to light through the gospel." (2 Timothy 1:10). His impartation of FAITH dissipates the unbelief. His love casts out all fear. His wisdom and knowledge fills the unknown. His revelation cancels the ignorance. His LIFE conquers all death. Thus He fully takes away all the armour wherein Satan trusted, and reduces him to a state of uselessness, thoroughly inactive. He is not only destroying the works of the devil, but also making it impossible for the devil to corrupt creation again.
While its ramifications shall eventually become universal, yet there is this individual inworking of God, as He brings us into union with Himself, so that for us personally Satan is down-idled. And a vital part of this inworking is for God to correct our vision so that we no longer have a dual vision, to see both good and evil. "The light of the body is the eye: therefore when thine eye is single, thy whole body also is full of light." (Luke 11:34). We learn to see the hand of God in everything that touches our life, to know that HE is the First Cause of all causes. "And the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave Himself for me." (Galatians 2:20). Then the Devil is unable to build any evil work in us. No more will we be devil-conscious, or filled with fear for what the enemy might do to us, for we become totally God-conscious, abiding in His life.
THIS is why the RCC did not include Enoch and other more "spiritual" books in the Bible. THEY can't understand it so they assign spiritual connotations to the symbolism. Then, when a person asks a member of the RCC about Revelation, they cannot answer but say "it's highly symbolic" and fall back on someone else's answer.
Now, Ben, I'm not picking on you...you are just one of about two or three who have stated that Revelation is just symbolic (and undoubtedly can't be understood) and claim there's no millenial reign regardless of what Revelation says.
But, I can see right through the doctrine they are pushing that Revelation is "not to be taken at face value" and "it doesn't mean what you think it means". I was once in a religion that did that quite often. YOU can understand the Bible without the RCC because GOD said so and gave us His Spirit.
Jhn 14:26But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
1Jo 2:27As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit-just as it has taught you, remain in him.
Especially in light of other scripture that speaks of an actual abyss where spirit beings are kept:Bottomless Pit... interesting perspective that is where the increasing knowledge and never coming to the truth
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