Question Need help finding a Hebrew Font CF will recongnize....

[Tishri1]

Need help finding a Hebrew Font CF will recongnize....
Hi all you wonderful Techies out there does anyone know of a Hebrew font that we can upload to CF for the Classical Hebrew Forum? Our teachers have lots to teach but the fact that we need to post in Hebrew and do our homework in Hebrew on line as well makes it hard, cuz as of now CF isnt ready to let us do that...we need help finding a fix for this problem(sorry I dont know all the technical words but you know what I mean)

 

[rdale]

http://www.petri.co.il/install_hebrew_on_windows_xp.htm

Windows XP (and 2000/2003/Vista) has the built-in ability to display Hebrew fonts on your system without the need to install language packs or special localized versions of the OS. To see Hebrew fonts on your Windows XP computer you MUST perform the following tasks precisely in the order listed here. Not doing so might cause your computer to display ??????? instead of Hebrew fonts, especially in Office applications.

I'm curious though, do you typically copy/paste your Hebrew text from a Hebrew text editor or Notepad, or do you switch locales (AltGr)?

 

[Tishri1]

lemme ask Debi the teacher to come answer that

 

[Tishri1]

She may be back later but let me explain what I know we need and let her fill in where I lack information k?

What we need to do is copy her lessons right into threads on this forum so that then the rest of us can do our homework, copy paste parts of the lesson into questions and use the material for tests and quizes ....but right now we cant cuz CF doesnt recognize Hebrew.... The CF Tech Guys want us to present them with a link to the Hebrew we want to use(or several links so they have choices)

Does that help?

Im just the gatherer of info so I dont know if that helped or not.....

 

[Tishri1]

OHHHH I think this may help

Here is how the lessons are right now
Directory of Classes
Lesson #1: Alphabet and Phonics
Lesson #2: Alphabet and Phonics
Lesson #3: Alphabet and Phonics
Lesson #4: Alphabet and Phonics
Lesson #5: Alphabet and Phonics
Lesson #6: Alphabet and Phonics

Vocabulary #1
Reading #1


does that help answer your question?

 

[rdale]

OK, I just saw the last question (at this time... ) at "Lesson #1: Alphabet and Phonics".
Did a quick google on "hebrew font+vowels+cantillation marks" and came up with a couple links:

Fonts for Bible with Cantillation Marks
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/c/c.htm

Ezra SIL Hebrew Unicode Font
http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&item_id=EzraSIL_Home&_sc=1

CF members jaihare and Remco recommended a few fonts at:
http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7296271

A number of Hebrew fonts on display:
http://www.wazu.jp/gallery/Fonts_Hebrew.html

see - David

Source: Comes with Microsoft's Windows XP and Windows 2000. Was also part of the Hebrew Language Support for Internet Explorer 5.

 

[debi b]

I am at work with a lousy wi-fi connection - don't know how long I will have a signal....

What we want to be able to do is install a font on the forum so people can more easily type in Hebrew in their posts. We will need the ability to type vowels and two accent marks as well.

 

[debi b]

OK, I just saw the last question (at this time... ) at "Lesson #1: Alphabet and Phonics".
Did a quick google on "hebrew font+vowels+cantillation marks" and came up with a couple links:

Fonts for Bible with Cantillation Marks
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/c/c.htm

Ezra SIL Hebrew Unicode Font
http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&item_id=EzraSIL_Home&_sc=1

CF members jaihare and Remco recommended a few fonts at:
http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7296271

A number of Hebrew fonts on display:
http://www.wazu.jp/gallery/Fonts_Hebrew.html

see - David

I saw these things earlier as well but didn't have time to check it out. Tish would you ask the tech guys if any of these would give people on the forum the ability to type in Hebrew in their posts with vowels and accent marks?

 

[debi b]

She may be back later but let me explain what I know we need and let her fill in where I lack information k?

What we need to do is copy her lessons right into threads on this forum so that then the rest of us can do our homework, copy paste parts of the lesson into questions and use the material for tests and quizes ....but right now we cant cuz CF doesnt recognize Hebrew.... The CF Tech Guys want us to present them with a link to the Hebrew we want to use(or several links so they have choices)

Does that help?

Im just the gatherer of info so I dont know if that helped or not.....

Even if we do get this part worked out I will continue publishing the lessons the way that I am doing it now. You will not be able to copy and paste from what I am publishing because the only way to upload it to google docs you will not be able to copy it. The problem is if I make it editable text the computer interprets the Hebrew according to an English keyboard and we loose the Hebrew.

I think our best bet is to get an easy way for people to type in their posts. This will make it easier to communicate. As the lessons progress it is just too much work for me to try to type a lesson directly into a post. It may not look like it right now but it is

 

[rdale]

from: http://www.mechon-mamre.org/i/t/t0101.htm

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בראשית פרק א

א בְּרֵאשִׁית, בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים, אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם, וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ. ב וְהָאָרֶץ, הָיְתָה תֹהוּ וָבֹהוּ, וְחֹשֶׁךְ, עַל-פְּנֵי תְהוֹם; וְרוּחַ אֱלֹהִים, מְרַחֶפֶת עַל-פְּנֵי הַמָּיִם. ג וַיֹּאמֶר אֱלֹהִים, יְהִי אוֹר; וַיְהִי-אוֹר. ד וַיַּרְא אֱלֹהִים אֶת-הָאוֹר, כִּי-טוֹב; וַיַּבְדֵּל אֱלֹהִים, בֵּין הָאוֹר וּבֵין הַחֹשֶׁךְ. ה וַיִּקְרָא אֱלֹהִים לָאוֹר יוֹם, וְלַחֹשֶׁךְ קָרָא לָיְלָה; וַיְהִי-עֶרֶב וַיְהִי-בֹקֶר, יוֹם אֶחָד. {פ}

ו וַיֹּאמֶר אֱלֹהִים, יְהִי רָקִיעַ בְּתוֹךְ הַמָּיִם, וִיהִי מַבְדִּיל, בֵּין מַיִם לָמָיִם. ז וַיַּעַשׂ אֱלֹהִים, אֶת-הָרָקִיעַ, וַיַּבְדֵּל בֵּין הַמַּיִם אֲשֶׁר מִתַּחַת לָרָקִיעַ, וּבֵין הַמַּיִם אֲשֶׁר מֵעַל לָרָקִיעַ; וַיְהִי-כֵן. ח וַיִּקְרָא אֱלֹהִים לָרָקִיעַ, שָׁמָיִם; וַיְהִי-עֶרֶב וַיְהִי-בֹקֶר, יוֹם שֵׁנִי. {פ}


Using Lucida Sans Unicode here...

בראשית פרק א

א בְּרֵאשִׁית, בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים, אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם, וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ. ב וְהָאָרֶץ, הָיְתָה תֹהוּ וָבֹהוּ, וְחֹשֶׁךְ, עַל-פְּנֵי תְהוֹם; וְרוּחַ אֱלֹהִים, מְרַחֶפֶת עַל-פְּנֵי הַמָּיִם. ג וַיֹּאמֶר אֱלֹהִים, יְהִי אוֹר; וַיְהִי-אוֹר. ד וַיַּרְא אֱלֹהִים אֶת-הָאוֹר, כִּי-טוֹב; וַיַּבְדֵּל אֱלֹהִים, בֵּין הָאוֹר וּבֵין הַחֹשֶׁךְ. ה וַיִּקְרָא אֱלֹהִים לָאוֹר יוֹם, וְלַחֹשֶׁךְ קָרָא לָיְלָה; וַיְהִי-עֶרֶב וַיְהִי-בֹקֶר, יוֹם אֶחָד. {פ}

ו וַיֹּאמֶר אֱלֹהִים, יְהִי רָקִיעַ בְּתוֹךְ הַמָּיִם, וִיהִי מַבְדִּיל, בֵּין מַיִם לָמָיִם. ז וַיַּעַשׂ אֱלֹהִים, אֶת-הָרָקִיעַ, וַיַּבְדֵּל בֵּין הַמַּיִם אֲשֶׁר מִתַּחַת לָרָקִיעַ, וּבֵין הַמַּיִם אֲשֶׁר מֵעַל לָרָקִיעַ; וַיְהִי-כֵן. ח וַיִּקְרָא אֱלֹהִים לָרָקִיעַ, שָׁמָיִם; וַיְהִי-עֶרֶב וַיְהִי-בֹקֶר, יוֹם שֵׁנִי. {פ}


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בראשית פרק א

א בְּרֵאשִׁית, בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים, אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם, וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ. ב וְהָאָרֶץ, הָיְתָה תֹהוּ וָבֹהוּ, וְחֹשֶׁךְ, עַל-פְּנֵי תְהוֹם; וְרוּחַ אֱלֹהִים, מְרַחֶפֶת עַל-פְּנֵי הַמָּיִם. ג וַיֹּאמֶר אֱלֹהִים, יְהִי אוֹר; וַיְהִי-אוֹר. ד וַיַּרְא אֱלֹהִים אֶת-הָאוֹר, כִּי-טוֹב; וַיַּבְדֵּל אֱלֹהִים, בֵּין הָאוֹר וּבֵין הַחֹשֶׁךְ. ה וַיִּקְרָא אֱלֹהִים לָאוֹר יוֹם, וְלַחֹשֶׁךְ קָרָא לָיְלָה; וַיְהִי-עֶרֶב וַיְהִי-בֹקֶר, יוֹם אֶחָד. {פ}

ו וַיֹּאמֶר אֱלֹהִים, יְהִי רָקִיעַ בְּתוֹךְ הַמָּיִם, וִיהִי מַבְדִּיל, בֵּין מַיִם לָמָיִם. ז וַיַּעַשׂ אֱלֹהִים, אֶת-הָרָקִיעַ, וַיַּבְדֵּל בֵּין הַמַּיִם אֲשֶׁר מִתַּחַת לָרָקִיעַ, וּבֵין הַמַּיִם אֲשֶׁר מֵעַל לָרָקִיעַ; וַיְהִי-כֵן. ח וַיִּקְרָא אֱלֹהִים לָרָקִיעַ, שָׁמָיִם; וַיְהִי-עֶרֶב וַיְהִי-בֹקֶר, יוֹם שֵׁנִי. {פ}


left to right though... maybe if you just pasted in the bits you need at the time

 

[debi b]

from: http://www.mechon-mamre.org/i/t/t0101.htm

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בראשית פרק א

א בְּרֵאשִׁית, בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים, אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם, וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ. ב וְהָאָרֶץ, הָיְתָה תֹהוּ וָבֹהוּ, וְחֹשֶׁךְ, עַל-פְּנֵי תְהוֹם; וְרוּחַ אֱלֹהִים, מְרַחֶפֶת עַל-פְּנֵי הַמָּיִם. ג וַיֹּאמֶר אֱלֹהִים, יְהִי אוֹר; וַיְהִי-אוֹר. ד וַיַּרְא אֱלֹהִים אֶת-הָאוֹר, כִּי-טוֹב; וַיַּבְדֵּל אֱלֹהִים, בֵּין הָאוֹר וּבֵין הַחֹשֶׁךְ. ה וַיִּקְרָא אֱלֹהִים לָאוֹר יוֹם, וְלַחֹשֶׁךְ קָרָא לָיְלָה; וַיְהִי-עֶרֶב וַיְהִי-בֹקֶר, יוֹם אֶחָד. {פ}

ו וַיֹּאמֶר אֱלֹהִים, יְהִי רָקִיעַ בְּתוֹךְ הַמָּיִם, וִיהִי מַבְדִּיל, בֵּין מַיִם לָמָיִם. ז וַיַּעַשׂ אֱלֹהִים, אֶת-הָרָקִיעַ, וַיַּבְדֵּל בֵּין הַמַּיִם אֲשֶׁר מִתַּחַת לָרָקִיעַ, וּבֵין הַמַּיִם אֲשֶׁר מֵעַל לָרָקִיעַ; וַיְהִי-כֵן. ח וַיִּקְרָא אֱלֹהִים לָרָקִיעַ, שָׁמָיִם; וַיְהִי-עֶרֶב וַיְהִי-בֹקֶר, יוֹם שֵׁנִי. {פ}


Using Lucida Sans Unicode here...

בראשית פרק א

א בְּרֵאשִׁית, בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים, אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם, וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ. ב וְהָאָרֶץ, הָיְתָה תֹהוּ וָבֹהוּ, וְחֹשֶׁךְ, עַל-פְּנֵי תְהוֹם; וְרוּחַ אֱלֹהִים, מְרַחֶפֶת עַל-פְּנֵי הַמָּיִם. ג וַיֹּאמֶר אֱלֹהִים, יְהִי אוֹר; וַיְהִי-אוֹר. ד וַיַּרְא אֱלֹהִים אֶת-הָאוֹר, כִּי-טוֹב; וַיַּבְדֵּל אֱלֹהִים, בֵּין הָאוֹר וּבֵין הַחֹשֶׁךְ. ה וַיִּקְרָא אֱלֹהִים לָאוֹר יוֹם, וְלַחֹשֶׁךְ קָרָא לָיְלָה; וַיְהִי-עֶרֶב וַיְהִי-בֹקֶר, יוֹם אֶחָד. {פ}

ו וַיֹּאמֶר אֱלֹהִים, יְהִי רָקִיעַ בְּתוֹךְ הַמָּיִם, וִיהִי מַבְדִּיל, בֵּין מַיִם לָמָיִם. ז וַיַּעַשׂ אֱלֹהִים, אֶת-הָרָקִיעַ, וַיַּבְדֵּל בֵּין הַמַּיִם אֲשֶׁר מִתַּחַת לָרָקִיעַ, וּבֵין הַמַּיִם אֲשֶׁר מֵעַל לָרָקִיעַ; וַיְהִי-כֵן. ח וַיִּקְרָא אֱלֹהִים לָרָקִיעַ, שָׁמָיִם; וַיְהִי-עֶרֶב וַיְהִי-בֹקֶר, יוֹם שֵׁנִי. {פ}


Using Times New Roman here...

בראשית פרק א

א בְּרֵאשִׁית, בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים, אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם, וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ. ב וְהָאָרֶץ, הָיְתָה תֹהוּ וָבֹהוּ, וְחֹשֶׁךְ, עַל-פְּנֵי תְהוֹם; וְרוּחַ אֱלֹהִים, מְרַחֶפֶת עַל-פְּנֵי הַמָּיִם. ג וַיֹּאמֶר אֱלֹהִים, יְהִי אוֹר; וַיְהִי-אוֹר. ד וַיַּרְא אֱלֹהִים אֶת-הָאוֹר, כִּי-טוֹב; וַיַּבְדֵּל אֱלֹהִים, בֵּין הָאוֹר וּבֵין הַחֹשֶׁךְ. ה וַיִּקְרָא אֱלֹהִים לָאוֹר יוֹם, וְלַחֹשֶׁךְ קָרָא לָיְלָה; וַיְהִי-עֶרֶב וַיְהִי-בֹקֶר, יוֹם אֶחָד. {פ}

ו וַיֹּאמֶר אֱלֹהִים, יְהִי רָקִיעַ בְּתוֹךְ הַמָּיִם, וִיהִי מַבְדִּיל, בֵּין מַיִם לָמָיִם. ז וַיַּעַשׂ אֱלֹהִים, אֶת-הָרָקִיעַ, וַיַּבְדֵּל בֵּין הַמַּיִם אֲשֶׁר מִתַּחַת לָרָקִיעַ, וּבֵין הַמַּיִם אֲשֶׁר מֵעַל לָרָקִיעַ; וַיְהִי-כֵן. ח וַיִּקְרָא אֱלֹהִים לָרָקִיעַ, שָׁמָיִם; וַיְהִי-עֶרֶב וַיְהִי-בֹקֶר, יוֹם שֵׁנִי. {פ}

you copied this from somewhere yes? What is the keyboard layout - to get the vowels to matchup? Also I am not seeing any cantillation marks in what you have here. Are they available in any of these fonts?

 

[rdale]

you copied this from somewhere yes? What is the keyboard layout - to get the vowels to matchup? Also I am not seeing any cantillation marks in what you have here. Are they available in any of these fonts?

Yes, just pasted into Notepad from: http://www.mechon-mamre.org/i/t/t0101.htm, then here.

debi b, what editor are you using? Can it save as unicode text? I just saw bpad at google, and didn't know if that's what you're using or not, but it's supposed to help with bidi text.

Pardon my ignorance... but I saw explained somewhere, and promptly forgot what cantillation marks are.

 

[Tishri1]

rdale can you check out these too for us

You could possibly check here for some of the fonts that you could use.

tish, you might want to look here:
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=99151

at least it's a place to start.....

this Vbulletin one sounds practical as it's our forum's host(is that how you say it...we are VBulletin I mean) but is it a good pick for us?

 

[Tishri1]

Try typing your words, in Hebrew, into a Word document (being careful to go right to left!!), then cut and paste those words into CF. That's how I do it on occasion.

Both Windows and OSX have ways for you to switch to a Hebrew keyboard. It's under language/international settings.

when Ideas come in from other places I will post them here

 

[debi b]

Yes, just pasted into Notepad from: http://www.mechon-mamre.org/i/t/t0101.htm, then here.

debi b, what editor are you using? Can it save as unicode text? I just saw bpad at google, and didn't know if that's what you're using or not, but it's supposed to help with bidi text.

Pardon my ignorance... but I saw explained somewhere, and promptly forgot what cantillation marks are.

I am using Davka to create the lessons. It is fantastic for this project. It allows me to switch easily between English and Hebrew.

In this phase this is a very important ability for me. What I am trying to do is to create an opportunity to build vocabulary while still leaning heavily on your first language. After each vacabulary list I will be weaving into a chapter of Deuteronomy the Hebrew words that have been introduced. So, I am not creating this on-line, but am sharing it.

Because there is such a huge difference in the sentence structure and the way things are translated I need to really be careful doing this - it is more time consuming than you might think for me.

I am limiting my use of the cantillation marks to two. They are the extra dashes and other marks in addition to the dots and dashes that are the vowels. Only one of the marks is initially important it will not be until the back end that the other will be used more often.

The meteg referenced on this page is the small vertical line to the left of the vowels on this page:
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dg73krgp_116hqdd7xf2

The next mark I need is on this page under accents:
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dg73krgp_56d2px4vdz

I had origianally chosen a different mark, but changed it because people said they couldn't see it very well. This mark is not commonly used in texts. I have already written about 75 pages (will be posting more soon) and it would be very difficult to change it now.

 

[rdale]

I am using Davka to create the lessons. It is fantastic for this project. It allows me to switch easily between English and Hebrew.

I saw Davka just yesterday debi b, well, ran across it. Is there a way for you to export your lessons in Davka to unicode text format? If you are using tables or other html-like structure in Davka, that would be problematic for pasting the lessons here at CF, but maybe you could just paste the text. If you were able to open a Davka saved unicode text doc in Notepad, select all, copy, then paste here at CF, that would be terrific! That would make it much easier to study with, but just my 2¢.

 

[debi b]

I saw Davka just yesterday debi b, well, ran across it. Is there a way for you to export your lessons in Davka to unicode text format? If you are using tables or other html-like structure in Davka, that would be problematic for pasting the lessons here at CF, but maybe you could just paste the text. If you were able to open a Davka saved unicode text doc in Notepad, select all, copy, then paste here at CF, that would be terrific! That would make it much easier to study with, but just my 2¢.

Let me play with that and see what happens

 

[debi b]

1  When  your  shall bring you into the  which you are entering to
possess, and has cast out many  before you, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the
Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites,
seven  greater and mightier than you;

I will keep trying....

 

[rdale]

I saw your last post, does the text look ok when it's loaded into notepad, or are the letters still garbled there before pasting here?

 

[debi b]

notepad does not recognize it.