Question: Hawaii

[versastyle]

Following the "global flood" how did "walking" animals and insects get to Hawaii?

 

[Freedom777]

Following the "global flood" how did "walking" animals and insects get to Hawaii?

Good question.As for the insects this would not have been a problem they could have floated on the trees and plants,also the wind and bloated bodies.I think its fair to say that some animals could have got there that way too, as there would have been lots of things floating in the water.I'll do some research and see what i can come up with. But the most definite one is that God commanded the animals to spread out and fill the earth. Unlike people animals listen.

 

[myutmost4him]

Following the "global flood" how did "walking" animals and insects get to Hawaii?

How did the same animals get to different parts of the world including isolated islands, ect., flood or no flood?

 

[versastyle]

Good question.As for the insects this would not have been a problem they could have floated on the trees and plants,also the wind and bloated bodies.I think its fair to say that some animals could have got there that way too, as there would have been lots of things floating in the water.I'll do some research and see what i can come up with. But the most definite one is that God commanded the animals to spread out and fill the earth. Unlike people animals listen.

I love your signature. I don't think your reply thus far has followed it though. Heh.

How about this?

God put animals on Hawaii after the flood, just because He could, and Hawaii needed some animals.

 

[myutmost4him]

How about this?

God put animals on Hawaii after the flood, just because He could, and Hawaii needed some animals.

Finally some reason! Thanks.

 

[Freedom777]

Finally some reason! Thanks.

Sure, i know the Lord has that power but i am just showing that even without a direct hand of God its still very probable that they can get there. The Lord can do anything he pleases. Mostly i think he works through the natural laws so we can see his word is Truth. Like he could have just made everything drop dead instead of The World Wide Flood, But if he did,when we get to the 20 century and people tell us Christians wheres the evidence that God killed everybody in Noahs day thats just a myth.We wolud not be able to show an unbelieving world the evidence. God does these things for mankind.

 

[versastyle]

Ok. Lets play reality for a second.

1. Noah is on the ark.
2. God floods the Earth, submerging Hawaii and everyone other island and all its animals, killing them all as scripture states.
3. Noah has no sails so he floats around in the middle-eastern area for 40 days.
4. The ark lands on Mount Ararat, or wherever it landed.
5. Hawaii re-arises, barren of any life.
6. The animals leave the ark and:

1. Jump into the sea and swim to Hawaii.
2. Jump into the sea and float to Hawaii on some wooden planks.
3. Migrate to parts of the landscape that is within walking distance.

7. God redeposits animals on Hawaii.

Now the question is:

If God was just going to place animals all over the Earth after the flood, what was the point of saving all of them in the ark?

 

[Dust and Ashes]

Since Hawaii is volcanic, who's to say they were even there before/after the flood. Perhaps they arose later and some immigrants brought the animals.

 

[Captain_Jack_Sparrow]

Oh boy!

 

[versastyle]

Since Hawaii is volcanic, who's to say they were even there before/after the flood. Perhaps they arose later and some immigrants brought the animals.

Thats definitely a possibility...

And of the Kangaroos of Australia? Were they on the ark?

 

[Dust and Ashes]

Thats definitely a possibility...

And of the Kangaroos of Australia? Were they on the ark?

One popular theory is that they walked to Australia while there was still a land bridge joining it to Asia. Since marsupials are less aggressive than other animals, they tend to yield territory quicker so they were most likely "driven" to Australia then as the water lvl rose it just left islands between the two continents.

 

[Lexluther]

Following the "global flood" how did "walking" animals and insects get to Hawaii?

Where biblical literalism and the biology of Hawaii are concerned, it strikes me that the problem is not so much whether a flood occured as timing. Whether or not the flood occured, Hawaii is a volcanic island, made of stuff that used to be on the ocean floor. Ergo, it must have been uninhabited at some point. Animals find a way- flying in the case of birds and insects, or riding driftwood. One might point out that there were only insects and birds on Hawaii prior to human immigration. Many islands in Fiji had an ecosystem entirely consisting of insects, which evolved to fill every niche of the natural environment. (or, I suppose, only those who would happen to fill it conveniently migrated there) Mammals besides us and the seals tend not to make it out of the big land masses.

 

[fragmentsofdreams]

Since Hawaii is volcanic, who's to say they were even there before/after the flood. Perhaps they arose later and some immigrants brought the animals.

It takes a very long time to form large islands using volcanism. Much longer than 6000 years.

 

[Lexluther]

It takes a very long time to form large islands using volcanism. Much longer than 6000 years.

Well, that was why I remarked that timing was a greater problem; the youngest hawaiian island is 500,000 years old, and the oldest is more than 11 million... since the formation of the chain is a combination of plate movement, a hotspot, and volcanic deposition, it's hard to imagine the process taking much less time than that.

 

[JVD]

Many islands in Fiji had an ecosystem entirely consisting of insects, which evolved to fill every niche of the natural environment.

Interesting...how is it possible that EVERY niche is filled. Is it not possible that there are niches not filled? Doesn't evolution necessitate a constant supply of unfilled niches to continue to be filled by evolving species?

If ALL the niches are filled...is evolution finished?

 

[Lexluther]

Interesting...how is it possible that EVERY niche is filled. Is it not possible that there are niches not filled? Doesn't evolution necessitate a constant supply of unfilled niches to continue to be filled by evolving species?

If ALL the niches are filled...is evolution finished?

Oh no, that was worded poorly. The insects of, for instance, Vanua Levu, filled many niches that would elsewhere be filled by other creatures- carnivore bugs, herbivore bugs, scavenger bugs, beach bugs, mountain bugs, etc. Evolution never "finishes" since ecosystems and gene pools are in constant state of change.

It is interesting though. And it has happened elsewhere in island communities- New Zealanders on this board are all too familiar with a large beetle called a weta, which is in terms of diet and behavior disarmingly like a rodent.

Though I'm sure someone who actually knows biology could answer your question better; I'm just an archaeologist, and at the moment am going entirely off the word of a Fijian tour guide.

 

[Karl - Liberal Backslider]

Interesting...how is it possible that EVERY niche is filled. Is it not possible that there are niches not filled? Doesn't evolution necessitate a constant supply of unfilled niches to continue to be filled by evolving species?

If ALL the niches are filled...is evolution finished?

This is an interesting point, and one that directly influences natural history. Natural history goes through long periods of stasis. The really fast and dramatic evolutionary changes take place after mass extinctions, when a lot of niches suddenly become available.

Smaller changes in the environment can also stimulate evolutionary change - one such change - the opening of the Rift Valley a few million years ago caused the creation of grasslands in Africa where previously there had been forest. This favoured a plains-living bipedal ape. We should be most thankful for that

 

[paradigm man]

There were land bridges that enabled species to get to Hawaii. Moreover, insects and reptiles could have used rafts of logs and vegetation to get to Hawaii. There is some good literature on Island Biogeography which discusses the dispersal mechanism animals can use to island hop.

 

[artybloke]

There were land bridges that enabled species to get to Hawaii. Moreover, insects and reptiles could have used rafts of logs and vegetation to get to Hawaii. There is some good literature on Island Biogeography which discusses the dispersal mechanism animals can use to island hop.

Not 4000 years ago there weren't, mate. There was a time when there was just one big contintent, but that was a long long time before any supposed worldwide flood. Try reading up on geology.

 

[Dust and Ashes]

Not 4000 years ago there weren't, mate. There was a time when there was just one big contintent, but that was a long long time before any supposed worldwide flood. Try reading up on geology.

Maybe he's OEC or GT.