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Question from a theological beginner...

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Could anyone here explain to me the difference between covenantal and dispensational theology. Are they merely different ways of explaining the same biblical truths or are they radically different theologies. I have to admit I'm not entirely sure what is meant by these terms.
 
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Could anyone here explain to me the difference between covenantal and dispensational theology. Are they merely different ways of explaining the same biblical truths or are they radically different theologies. I have to admit I'm not entirely sure what is meant by these terms.

Dipsensationals look at the various ways that God has dealt with mankind throughout history and they put these into various dealings or dispensations this way.

The Dispensation of Innocence. (Genesis 1:26-2:23)
The Dispensation of Conscience. (Genesis 3:8, 23, 24)
The Dispensation of Human Government. (Genesis 8:1-11:19)
The Dispensation of Promise. (Genesis 11:10-14:21; Exodus 19:8)
The Dispensation of Law. (Exodus 19:1-8, Isaiah 9:6,7)
The Dispensation of Grace. (John 1:17; 1 Thessalonians 4:16,17)
The Dispensation of Judgment (or Tribulation). (Daniel 12:1, Jeremiah 30:7, Revelation 16:1)
The Dispensation of the Kingdom. (Revelation 20:4, 6, 7, 9-15)

Covenant Theology might be divided into two covenants: A Covenant of Works and Covenant of Grace. This is perhaps an over-simplification. Those of the Reformed/Calvinist persuasion, so to speak, are from this camp. Essentially they would say that God has always had a people, a select remnant, and Israel's relationship with God was based on Works and the Church's relationship with God is based on Grace. When I say that what I have put here is an over-simplification I actually meant that in two ways. I think that Covenant Theology is itself an over-simplification of how God has dealt with mankind. Some Covenant Theologians will say that Dispensationalism takes God out of the picture and puts man in charge. I think the opposite is true. Man has always had freedom of choice starting in the Garden. This goes against the doctrine of predestination which is the claim that Believers were chosen or pre-determined before the foundation of the world. I strongly disagree with this. God's foreknowledge does not discard man's free will.

I'll stop here. I'm pretty sure some hyper-dispensational will make some posts after mine which will probably make you sorry you asked the question.
 
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Dipsensationals look at the various ways that God has dealt with mankind throughout history and they put these into various dealings or dispensations this way.

The Dispensation of Innocence. (Genesis 1:26-2:23)
The Dispensation of Conscience. (Genesis 3:8, 23, 24)
The Dispensation of Human Government. (Genesis 8:1-11:19)
The Dispensation of Promise. (Genesis 11:10-14:21; Exodus 19:8)
The Dispensation of Law. (Exodus 19:1-8, Isaiah 9:6,7)
The Dispensation of Grace. (John 1:17; 1 Thessalonians 4:16,17)
The Dispensation of Judgment (or Tribulation). (Daniel 12:1, Jeremiah 30:7, Revelation 16:1)
The Dispensation of the Kingdom. (Revelation 20:4, 6, 7, 9-15)

Covenant Theology might be divided into two covenants: A Covenant of Works and Covenant of Grace. This is perhaps an over-simplification. Those of the Reformed/Calvinist persuasion, so to speak, are from this camp. Essentially they would say that God has always had a people, a select remnant, and Israel's relationship with God was based on Works and the Church's relationship with God is based on Grace. When I say that what I have put here is an over-simplification I actually meant that in two ways. I think that Covenant Theology is itself an over-simplification of how God has dealt with mankind. Some Covenant Theologians will say that Dispensationalism takes God out of the picture and puts man in charge. I think the opposite is true. Man has always had freedom of choice starting in the Garden. This goes against the doctrine of predestination which is the claim that Believers were chosen or pre-determined before the foundation of the world. I strongly disagree with this. God's foreknowledge does not discard man's free will.

I'll stop here. I'm pretty sure some hyper-dispensational will make some posts after mine which will probably make you sorry you asked the question.

Thanks, that's been helpful.
 
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In addition to what NOTRELIGUS said, I would add that the differences between the two approaches extend beyond how God deals with man. Because they are both frameworks for interpreting all of Scripture, they will affect how one understands salvation, ethics, end times, baptism, the role of the church and of Israel, as well as many others if I took the time to think through it.

Quickly, dispensationalism tends to emphasize the separate-ness between dispensations and covenantalism tends to emphasize the continuity of the Bible.

A good example would be in each's approach to Israel after Jesus. Dispensationalists would say that God's promises to Israel are still applicable, and thus God has a special plan for the earthly nation of Israel. Covenantalists would see that Jesus is the "new Israel", and because the church is united to Christ, promises made to national Israel are now applicable to the church.

Of course, either approach is subject to going to extremes. Some extreme dispensationalists would argue that the ethics of the Sermon on the Mount don't apply to the church because it is a 'millennial kingdom' teaching (too much separation). Extremists on the covenantal side would argue that the Old Testament law code should be enforced by the church (i.e. stoning adulterers), which is too much continuity.
 
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I would like to add that when Jesus(ie God) died on the cross his previous covenant with Israel and Judah ended. With His ressurection as the first "new man" he instigated the new covenant that was foretold in Jer31:31 and Ezek36:25-27. The Bride walks in the new covenant, Jew and Gentile together as one new man (quoting Paul).
 
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Covenant Theology might be divided into two covenants: A Covenant of Works and Covenant of Grace. This is perhaps an over-simplification. Those of the Reformed/Calvinist persuasion, so to speak, are from this camp. Essentially they would say that God has always had a people, a select remnant, and Israel's relationship with God was based on Works and the Church's relationship with God is based on Grace.

One correction/clarification, if I might . . . Covenant Theology holds that, since the fall of Adam, the only way that a man can be right with God, is by God's grace. Abraham, Moses, David, etc. were right with God by grace - their salvation is not considered, in CT, to be based upon works.

Blessings
 
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Could anyone here explain to me the difference between covenantal and dispensational theology. Are they merely different ways of explaining the same biblical truths or are they radically different theologies. I have to admit I'm not entirely sure what is meant by these terms.
It depends on the person and his viewpoint. Any "loosely-held" view of history isn't bound to make the errors of a "tightly-held" view of history.

Dispensational theology holds that God enters separate phases of accountability to humans. The differences in those phases of accountability actually demarcate major changes in God's dealings with people. Dispensationalists hold that, while God is the same throughout, the dispensations actually organize and dictate God's dealings with people, and so a command in one dispensation may not apply for a different dispensation.

Dispensationalists agree that covenants exist in God's dealings with people, but they need not apply. People appear to be able to "change covenants" with God without punitive consequences, as the covenants enforce certain principles that may expire when the dispensation does.

Covenantal theology holds that God enters into covenants with humans in dealing with people. The differences in covenants demarcate how God deals with one certain people group or another. Covenants don't disappear -- they are either fulfilled, broken (and this is controversial), or their stipulations continue. So multiple covenants can be in play at one time. Their functioning among one another based for instance on Paul's description in Galatians 3:15ff. Covenants are composed of declarations of fact, laws, promises, and consequences for breaking stipulations of the covenant.

Most covenantalists agree that "dispensations" exist in God's dealings with people, but the concept is not a phase of history in particular. Generally covenantalists look at dispensations as "economies" or how a phase of time or group of people deal with God, as a result of the practical outworkings of the stipulations of the covenants that apply.

Reformed "Covenant Theology" posits that there are two general classes of covenants, each of which always forms a particular kind of economy (or dispensation) of blessing: Law, and Grace.
 
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One correction/clarification, if I might . . . Covenant Theology holds that, since the fall of Adam, the only way that a man can be right with God, is by God's grace. Abraham, Moses, David, etc. were right with God by grace - their salvation is not considered, in CT, to be based upon works.

Blessings

This is also a basic doctrine of dispensationalism.

No knowledgeable Dispensationalist teaches that salvation was ever by works, although some very ingonrant ones might say that. The concept that dispensationalists teach that in th Old Testament salvation was by works is a misrepresentation mainly circulated by opponents of the doctrine.
 
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This is also a basic doctrine of dispensationalism.

No knowledgeable Dispensationalist teaches that salvation was ever by works, although some very ingonrant ones might say that. The concept that dispensationalists teach that in th Old Testament salvation was by works is a misrepresentation mainly circulated by opponents of the doctrine.
While I would tend to agree that dispensational scholastics and theologians think this -- an offhand query to a random dispensational Christian doesn't consistently return this response. I'm not sure how this happens -- it may be that the dispensational treatment of the Law & Gospel is just vulnerable to this misunderstanding.

To me both views *can* result in this misunderstanding -- Paul's definitely accusing the "covenantalists" of his day (Judaism) of exactly this error. However it seems to be a more recognized issue in covenantalism.
 
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To the OP again -- I think the easiest way to think about the viewpoints is to think about it visually. In dispensational thought the view seems to focus on "how people relate to God" at different time spans:

|--------|------------|--------|---------|

God develops covenants to set up these ways He interacts with people over those time periods.


In covenantal thought the covenants are delivered and layered according to rules (Gal 3:15, e.g.). They don't override each other.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |----------------| David
. . . . . . . . . . . .|-------------------------| Moses
|--------------------------------------------| Abraham

In its "two-covenant" form covenantalism concludes that there's a duality that passes throughout history pitting works-based salvation against grace-based salvation:

|------------------------------------------| works
v.
|------------------------------------------| grace

Both develop dispensations over time.
 
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Could anyone here explain to me the difference between covenantal and dispensational theology. Are they merely different ways of explaining the same biblical truths or are they radically different theologies. I have to admit I'm not entirely sure what is meant by these terms.

Hi SK , and will only present 3 verses for your consideration .

#1 , dispensations WERE before Covenants !!

#2 , Eph 1:4 says , According as He hath CALLED / CHOSEN / ELECTED us in Him before the foundation of the WORLD , or before the world were made !!

#3 , Then 1 Tim 1:9 , we are " IN CHRIST " before the world began !!

#4 , And here is another thing to consider , that angels were going through a Testing before He made us or " a Dispensational Angelic Testing ".

#5 , And here in Eph 2:11-12 , Gentiles were strangers from the COVENANTS of promise , so Gentiles were NEVER given any Covenants .

#6 , This means that dispensations came first !!

dan p
 
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I'm a reformed Baptist, so, while my theology is basically Presbyterian/Reformed/Calvinistic, as developed very early in church history,

back in Augustine's time and before, but most fully developed by John Calvin and other Reformers who followed, so-called covenant

theology, with its emphasis on infant baptism, is not critical to my understanding of scripture, except in the fundamental sense that God

has consistently promised in the scripture (history of redemption) to redeem a people for himself, with the first promise being found in

Gen 3:15, where God promises that Satan will bruise the woman's Seed (Christ), the Seed will crush his (Satan's) head. This may be called

a simplistic view of covenant theology; so be it. Theologians often over-complicate what, though deep or even paradoxical, is nevertheless

straightforward. I agree with all who insist that salvation, in every historical epoch, is all of Grace and entirely through faith in Christ

(whether the promissed Messiah or the risen Christ). This fundamental understanding of God's economy of salvation is thus one that was

articulated early on in church history.
Not so dispensationalism.
Dispensationalism is a radical departure from orthodoxy, one that had its origins in mid-19th century England with a man named John

Nelson Darby. (It is interesting to me that it is during this same general period out of which so many modern heresies emerged, in

addition to Darwinism and Marxism, but that will be called "guilt by association," so I don't press the point. Just interesting.)
There is little doubt in my mind that dispensationalism (or chiliasm) would never have gotten such a dominating foothold in the

fundamentalist churches of America had it not been for the Schofield Bible, an unfortunate wedding of scripture with (at the time) novel

interpretations. When I was a young Christian, long long ago, almost EVERYBODY had a Schofield Bible.
I will not attempt any critique of dispensationalism here; there are plenty of sites on the web, easily found, which I believe thoroughly

dismantle and debunk dispensationalism. I merely offer the following observations, which the serious student of scripture may seek to

substantiate or disprove.
Dispensationalism, despite disclaimers to the contrary, destroys all semblance of unity in God's revelation in scripture.
While context is always important in interpreting scripture, the reasonably well taught Christian should be able to turn to any passage of

scripture and read/meditate with profit, taking its warnings, promises, and other teachings to heart, but this the Dispensationalist cannot

do without referencing, at least in his mind, some diagram or chart of sub-categorization of scripture, for most of it is not seen as directly

applicable to the Christian living between the cross and the second coming.
Dispensationalists, in general, are overly fixated on prophecy, on the last things, and tend to think they can run a golden thread back

and forth through the testaments, from Ezekiel to Revelation to Daniel to the Epistles, round and round, thinking they have made a great

interlocking chain of proof texts. To me, with all due apologies, this is a queer way to "handle the word of life."
Prophecy is important, and is given, in general, to warn the ungodly and encourage the faithful. But it is not a detailed blueprint of

future history. Concerning prophecy, especially as seen in Daniel, Ezekiel, and Revelation, of one thing I am absolutely certain: No

human now or ever has understood it in any comprehensive way. But futuristic prophecy is, to many, exciting. It is popular, and it sells

books and videos.
None of this is to say that Dispensationalists cannot be devout believers, and I hope to meet masses of them in heaven. But the theory is not one that arises from scripture; it is rather an odd and complex mold into which scripture must be pressed and reshaped.
 
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