Question for YE Creationists

[JeremyHopkins]

If the universe was created with in ten thousand or so years, why is it then we can seen things in space that are hundreds and millions of light years away? Also, when we look at things 10 thousand or so light years away, why do we not see the creation taking place?

 

[ReverendDG]

If the universe was created with in ten thousand or so years, why is it then we can seen things in space that are hundreds and millions of light years away? Also, when we look at things 10 thousand or so light years away, why do we not see the creation taking place?

i bet the first creationist will bring up the speed of light being different then now!

 

[Macca]

If the universe was created with in ten thousand or so years, why is it then we can seen things in space that are hundreds and millions of light years away? Also, when we look at things 10 thousand or so light years away, why do we not see the creation taking place?

Jeremy This is an interesting question.
My answer is:
When God created light, according to the account of Genesis, there was no-one to see the light, does that mean that there wasn't any light to see?
It is very possible that when God created light He created the light from all the stars to be visible from earth.
I don't see that as a problem to an all powerful God.

 

[JeremyHopkins]

Jeremy This is an interesting question.
My answer is:
When God created light, according to the account of Genesis, there was no-one to see the light, does that mean that there wasn't any light to see?
It is very possible that when God created light He created the light from all the stars to be visible from earth.
I don't see that as a problem to an all powerful God.

So when we look in the night sky, and we see a star that is a hundred thousand lightyears away, are we seeing a lie? Did God created the universe in such a way that we can't tell how old it is by looking at it?

 

[TheOutsider]

i bet the first creationist will bring up the speed of light being different then now!

Oops, you were wrong. You should have gone with "embedded age" instead.

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

Jeremy This is an interesting question.
My answer is:
When God created light, according to the account of Genesis, there was no-one to see the light, does that mean that there wasn't any light to see?
It is very possible that when God created light He created the light from all the stars to be visible from earth.
I don't see that as a problem to an all powerful God.

Nether is it a problem for an over active imagination. From your logic everything is possible because I imagine it so. I bet you could also imagine the devil holding the hands of scientists when they say the universe is ~12 billion years old.

 

[CACTUSJACKmankin]

Jeremy This is an interesting question.
My answer is:
When God created light, according to the account of Genesis, there was no-one to see the light, does that mean that there wasn't any light to see?
It is very possible that when God created light He created the light from all the stars to be visible from earth.
I don't see that as a problem to an all powerful God.

Hello, light isnt just there, it travels. If we see objects millions of light years away then by definition that light has had to travel millions of light years to get here for us to see. The only reason we see anything at all is that light reflects off of an object and into our eye. We are usually close enough that there isnt a discernable time delay but when you look up at the moon you are really seeing it as it was a second ago and when you look at the sun you are seeing it as it was a few minutes ago. if the light didnt travel the distance we dont see it.

 

[MattTheAgnostic]

Hello, light isnt just there, it travels. If we see objects millions of light years away then by definition that light has had to travel millions of light years to get here for us to see. The only reason we see anything at all is that light reflects off of an object and into our eye. We are usually close enough that there isnt a discernable time delay but when you look up at the moon you are really seeing it as it was a second ago and when you look at the sun you are seeing it as it was a few minutes ago. if the light didnt travel the distance we dont see it.

He is arguing that when God created the universe, he also created the light. He didn't just create the stars and then let the light travel to earth, he create the stars along with all the light in between. It's very similar to lastthursdayism.

 

[RecentConvert]

He is arguing that when God created the universe, he also created the light. He didn't just create the stars and then let the light travel to earth, he create the stars along with all the light in between. It's very similar to lastthursdayism.

I think the reasoning is that God made the stars for us to see but, for some reason, they need to be very far away from us. The only resolution to having far away stars that we can see in a young universe is to create the light already "en route" to the Earth so that men can see God's gift.

Obviously, for the Creator, this is no problem to do but you're right, it's similar to lastThursdayism. However, people will continue to believe unfalsifiable assertions, perhaps because, in a sense, they can never be wrong...

 

[[serious]]

embeded age runs into problems with stuff like supernovas that have been observed further than 6000 light years away. It's one thing to embed age, it's another to show evidence of an event that never happened to an object that was never there.

 

[MattTheAgnostic]

embeded age runs into problems with stuff like supernovas that have been observed further than 6000 light years away. It's one thing to embed age, it's another to show evidence of an event that never happened to an object that was never there.

It's not really a problem. God could still have created the light and the supernova and all that. The problem is that he did it too trick us. Why would you want to try and trick someone into believing you don't exist? A test of faith? Or maybe the universe isn't 6000 years old...

 

[rebelEnigma]

If the universe was created with in ten thousand or so years, why is it then we can seen things in space that are hundreds and millions of light years away? Also, when we look at things 10 thousand or so light years away, why do we not see the creation taking place?

What if the speed of light was faster then than it is now? This is not an uncommon theory, mind you.

 

[JeremyHopkins]

What if the speed of light was faster then than it is now? This is not an uncommon theory, mind you.

No, it's a not an uncommon conjecture or speculation. It has to make falsifiable predictions and be backed up with supporting evidence to be considered a theory.

 

[Loudmouth]

What if the speed of light was faster then than it is now? This is not an uncommon theory, mind you.

But it is an unsupported theory, and it is also contradicted by every observation in astronomy. Einstein stumbled on a very important relationship between energy and matter where Energy=mass*speed of light squared. This means that if light was faster in the past then there was more energy per unit of mass. This would mean that stars would act very differently than what we see. Specifically, an increase in the speed of light would produce more energy making stars use up their fuel much faster. It would also decrease the density of stars since a star's diameter and density are determined by the two opposing forces of gravity and the energy produced by fusion. The size, density, spectra, and distribution of stars is exactly what we would expect if the speed of light has been constant over the last 13 billion years.

 

[LittleNipper]

But it is an unsupported theory, and it is also contradicted by every observation in astronomy. Einstein stumbled on a very important relationship between energy and matter where Energy=mass*speed of light squared. This means that if light was faster in the past then there was more energy per unit of mass. This would mean that stars would act very differently than what we see. Specifically, an increase in the speed of light would produce more energy making stars use up their fuel much faster. It would also decrease the density of stars since a star's diameter and density are determined by the two opposing forces of gravity and the energy produced by fusion. The size, density, spectra, and distribution of stars is exactly what we would expect if the speed of light has been constant over the last 13 billion years.

Not if GOD first created the light and then created a "natural " source for that light.

 

[JeremyHopkins]

Not if GOD first created the light and then created a "natural " source for that light.

The problem with that explaination is that it requires God to make the appearence of a nonexistent past. If we observe a super nova that occurred 100,000 light years away but the universe is only 6000 years old, then we are seeing an event that never actually took place. It only appears to have taken place. So why would God give the appearence of a past that never happened?

 

[LittleNipper]

So when we look in the night sky, and we see a star that is a hundred thousand lightyears away, are we seeing a lie? Did God created the universe in such a way that we can't tell how old it is by looking at it?

No, we are seeing a MIRACLE. The Bible says GOD stretched out the heavens. ----- Jeremiah 51:15..... So what is distant may have been close.

 

[JeremyHopkins]

No, we are seeing a MIRACLE. The Bible says GOD stretched out the heavens. ----- Jeremiah 51:15..... So what is distant may have been close.

In other words, you have absolutely no idea at all what you are talking about because you never read a single book on astrophysics in your entire life. But still you feel qualified to call people frauds that spend their entire professional lives studying astrophysics.

 

[tcampen]

No, we are seeing a MIRACLE. The Bible says GOD stretched out the heavens. ----- Jeremiah 51:15..... So what is distant may have been close.

Or maybe the universe is just really, really old. Why is it so difficult to accept the obvious conclusion, and instead replace it with torture theological nonsense. Why would god put light in transit depicting major stellar events that never actually occured? Any response to support such a contention is grasping at straws. Why is a massive supernova 2 billion light years away (thus an event that occured 2 billion years ago) such a horrible thing?

 

[Phred]

No, we are seeing a MIRACLE. The Bible says GOD stretched out the heavens. ----- Jeremiah 51:15..... So what is distant may have been close.

The Bible also says donkeys can talk.