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I just have a question. How can you explain that you believe in both evolution and the bible. The words evolution or evolve is not used once in the bible. The New testament even has refrences to Adam and Eve.(No Adam and Eve were not just two "special people" or "A whole group of people" The bible is clear the Adam was a man.
Then the LORD God formed a man
Genesis 2:7.

And also there is nothing in Genesis to indicate its an allegory. Why do you listen to what one silly man said and not what God said. Since your implying that Genesis is not true you are calling God a liar.

I just don't understand



YEC is the one and only biblical view

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I just have a question. How can you explain that you believe in both evolution and the bible. The words evolution or evolve is not used once in the bible. The New testament even has refrences to Adam and Eve.(No Adam and Eve were not just two "special people" or "A whole group of people" The bible is clear the Adam was a man. Genesis 2:7.

And also there is nothing in Genesis to indicate its an allegory. Why do you listen to what one silly man said and not what God said. Since your implying that Genesis is not true you are calling God a liar.

I just don't understand



YEC is the one and only biblical view

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Question back at you. Was God afraid that Adam would become a god himself if he ate from the tree of life?
 
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I just have a question. How can you explain that you believe in both evolution and the bible. The words evolution or evolve is not used once in the bible. The New testament even has refrences to Adam and Eve.(No Adam and Eve were not just two "special people" or "A whole group of people" The bible is clear the Adam was a man. Genesis 2:7.

And also there is nothing in Genesis to indicate its an allegory. Why do you listen to what one silly man said and not what God said. Since your implying that Genesis is not true you are calling God a liar.

I just don't understand



YEC is the one and only biblical view

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Question back at you. Was God afraid that Adam would become a god himself if he ate from the tree of life?

Its the Tree of knowledge, not tree of life, and it wouldn't make him a god.
 
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I don't know what God was thinking, sorry man.

And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever." Gen 3:22

True or false?
Is the Bible wrong about this ? Is God saying that all it will take for Adam to become equal to God is to eat from the tree of life? If you don't think so , Why ?
 
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I just have a question. How can you explain that you believe in both evolution and the bible. The words evolution or evolve is not used once in the bible. The New testament even has refrences to Adam and Eve.(No Adam and Eve were not just two "special people" or "A whole group of people" The bible is clear the Adam was a man. Genesis 2:7.
The Bible is also clear that Adam was more than one person:
"This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created." Genesis 5:1-2.

And also there is nothing in Genesis to indicate its an allegory.
If you ran across any other story that included a talking snake, a man named Man and a tree that could make you live forever, would you think that it was an historical account?
 
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He became like God in the way he knows God and Evil. Now could you please answer my question?

I would be happy to answer your question. What is it? I'm not being difficult , I really don't know what you wish to ask. I probably am not the best person to give you an answer about those who are bent on an evolutionary basis for existence as I don't have a bias toward that worldview anymore than I do toward a purely historic view of the Bible.
 
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The Bible is also clear that Adam was more than one person:
"This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created." Genesis 5:1-2.

If you ran across any other story that included a talking snake, a man named Man and a tree that could make you live forever, would you think that it was an historical account?

Just so know you know "Adam" means Mankind. In that context it was referring to Mankind in General but. But in Genesis 2 it refers to Adam the man.

This is the written account of Adam’s family line.
When God created mankind, he made them in the likeness of God. 2 He created them male and female and blessed them. And he named them “Mankind”[a] when they were created.
 
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I would be happy to answer your question. What is it? I'm not being difficult , I really don't know what you wish to ask. I probably am not the best person to give you an answer about those who are bent on an evolutionary basis for existence as I don't have a bias toward that worldview anymore than I do toward a purely historic view of the Bible.

Im just wondering how you believe in Evolution and the bible. The concept of Evolution is not biblical.
 
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I just have a question. How can you explain that you believe in both evolution and the bible. The words evolution or evolve is not used once in the bible. The New testament even has refrences to Adam and Eve.(No Adam and Eve were not just two "special people" or "A whole group of people" The bible is clear the Adam was a man. Genesis 2:7.
It's actually easy. Just because the word evolution isn't found in the Bible doesn't mean it cannot be true. Do you believe in the Trinity? If so that specific word is not found in the Bible, yet most people including you I'm guessing believe in it. And not all theistic evolutions deny an actual Adam or Eve rather that they existed some thousands of years ago.

And also there is nothing in Genesis to indicate its an allegory. Why do you listen to what one silly man said and not what God said. Since your implying that Genesis is not true you are calling God a liar.

I just don't understand



YEC is the one and only biblical view

Marc15
Actually there is. The first and fourth day of creation have similarities amongst them which seem to describe one single event, the creation of light and darkness. Genesis 1:3-5 reads that God "separated the light from the darkness" and "called the light day, and the darkness He called night," which is repeated again in Genesis 1:14-19 which reads God created two lights in order to "separate the light from the darkness" and "to separate the day from the night." This is similar to the poetic style of writing called parallelism, which I am sure you are familiar with. Therefore the creation account does not appear in chronological order and do not portray some "scientific" account of creation.
 
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I just have a question. How can you explain that you believe in both evolution and the bible. The words evolution or evolve is not used once in the bible. The New testament even has refrences to Adam and Eve.(No Adam and Eve were not just two "special people" or "A whole group of people" The bible is clear the Adam was a man. Genesis 2:7.

And also there is nothing in Genesis to indicate its an allegory. Why do you listen to what one silly man said and not what God said. Since your implying that Genesis is not true you are calling God a liar.

I just don't understand



YEC is the one and only biblical view

Marc15

Some Theistic Evolutionists _do_ think that Adam was an historical individual. But even for those who don't (or are unsure), it isn't a question of whether the Bible is to be believed -- merely, how was Genesis intended? If it isn't an historical factual account, then even if you're right and Adam is only ever mentioned as a single individual (you aren't right on that account, but...) it doesn't mean that there is an historically factual individual we call Adam.
 
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Just so know you know "Adam" means Mankind. In the context it was referring to Mankind in General but. But in Genesis 2 it refers to Adam the man.

Ok, I am clear on that now, although I think that Gen 2 is not different from the rest of Gen. , but I still think that I'm not a good representative for the evolutionists . As long as you aren't one who believes the Bible is primarily a history book , I have no real disagreement with you. I can accept whatever way God has decided to fashion His creation and in the end it seems a very small point.
 
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It's actually easy. Just because the word evolution isn't found in the Bible doesn't mean it cannot be true. Do you believe in the Trinity? If so that specific word is not found in the Bible, yet most people including you I'm guessing believe in it. And not all theistic evolutions deny an actual Adam or Eve rather that they existed some thousands of years ago.




Actually there is. The first and fourth day of creation have similarities amongst them which seem to describe one single event, the creation of light and darkness. Genesis 1:3-5 reads that God "separated the light from the darkness" and "called the light day, and the darkness He called night," which is repeated again in Genesis 1:14-19 which reads God created two lights in order to "separate the light from the darkness" and "to separate the day from the night." This is similar to the poetic style of writing called parallelism, which I am sure you are familiar with. Therefore the creation account does not appear in chronological order and do not portray some "scientific" account of creation.

I should clarify by what I mean. I mean that the concept of Evolution isn't found in the bible. You are right, the word Trinity is not found in the bible, but the concept is biblical.
I'm not familar with that poetry. The passages you said are confusing but, I found something to explain it for me.


First Light

Some people claim a contradiction related to the creation of light. God created light on the first day, but did not create the sun and stars until day four.
Day 1
"And God said, 'Let there be light'; and there was light. And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day." Genesis 1:3-5
Day 4
And God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to separate the day from the night; and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years, and let them be lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light upon the earth.' And it was so. And God made the two great lights, the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night; he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light upon the earth, to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good." Genesis 1:14-18
But humans are quite capable of creating light by various means (with fire, electrically, and chemically), and there is no reason to believe that an omnipotent God could not create light independently of the heavenly bodies. The fact that the Bible doesn't record the source of the pre-solar light is irrelevant.
Something to keep in mind when considering these passages about light is that visible light only comprises a portion of the entire wide spectrum of light, or electromagnetic energy. Light consists of photons, and we refer to infrared and ultraviolet as "light", but the spectrum extends beyond ultraviolet and infrared into X-rays, gamma rays, microwaves, radar, and so on. [3]
People have proposed a number of possible sources of light:
Invention vs. Application - some interpret the activities on day one to be those of an inventor who developed the reactions to produce light. Then on day 4 that invention was applied to the creation of the solar bodies that provide light today.
Universe Was Filled With Light - Cosmologists working with 'Big Bang' calculations indicate that a massive presence of photons would have crossed the entirety of the universe during the initial seconds of universal expansion. This would in fact have 'lit up' the entire universe, all at once. "...and there was light." [4]
Sonoluminescence - Sonoluminescence is the process by which acoustic energy is turned into light. This is done by introducing a frequency to water while an air bubble is present. The light produced actually comes from this bubble.[5][6] Light could have been accomplished this way during the creation week when the earth was just a sphere of water before land appeared.
The Light Came From God - God is often referred to as light. And because light that comes from God would be eternal just like God, it would know no bounds of time and could travel to the ends of space instantly.

From the creation wiki.
 
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Some Theistic Evolutionists _do_ think that Adam was an historical individual. But even for those who don't (or are unsure), it isn't a question of whether the Bible is to be believed -- merely, how was Genesis intended? If it isn't an historical factual account, then even if you're right and Adam is only ever mentioned as a single individual (you aren't right on that account, but...) it doesn't mean that there is an historically factual individual we call Adam.

It is intended Historically. There is nothing to indicate it's an allegory.
 
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I should clarify by what I mean. I mean that the concept of Evolution isn't found in the bible. You are right, the word Trinity is not found in the bible, but the concept is biblical.
I'm not familar with that poetry. The passages you said are confusing but, I found something to explain it for me.
And still I do not see that as a strong argument. So what if the evolution isn't Biblical? Expecting ancient people to understand and be aware of what evolution is without the resources is pretty out there dude, think about it.

And I only have on thing to say about the wiki response you are giving. If the sun was created on the fourth day, how could there have even been a day one? For days to transpire the sun must be present, and this is the most basic science ever. Saying otherwise is just ridiculous.
 
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I should clarify by what I mean. I mean that the concept of Evolution isn't found in the bible. You are right, the word Trinity is not found in the bible, but the concept is biblical.
I'm not familar with that poetry. The passages you said are confusing but, I found something to explain it for me.
And still I do not see that as a strong argument. So what if the evolution isn't Biblical? Expecting ancient people to understand and be aware of what evolution is without the resources is pretty out there dude, think about it.

Why does it matter that Evolution isn't biblical? In case you didn't know, the Bible is Christianity's book. Not the "Origins of Species" by Charles Darwin(I should also mention that he is an Athiest.) The Bible is God word. Its God Brethed.

and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
2 Timothy 3:15-17

I don't know why you listen to an athiest over God. I just don't get it.
 
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I should clarify by what I mean. I mean that the concept of Evolution isn't found in the bible. You are right, the word Trinity is not found in the bible, but the concept is biblical.
I'm not familar with that poetry. The passages you said are confusing but, I found something to explain it for me.

I'm afraid I do not agree with the idea that the concept of Trinity is found in the Bible.
Evolution and Trinity are both extra Biblical.
That is not to say that either is wrong but it is also not to say that either is correct,but again , is there any reason to think that these matters are important to our Father?
From the creation wiki.
I am so sick of Wiki.
 
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I should clarify by what I mean. I mean that the concept of Evolution isn't found in the bible. You are right, the word Trinity is not found in the bible, but the concept is biblical.
I'm not familar with that poetry. The passages you said are confusing but, I found something to explain it for me.

Why does it matter that Evolution isn't biblical? In case you didn't know, the Bible is Christianity's book. Not the "Origins of Species" by Charles Darwin(I should also mention that he is an Athiest.) The Bible is God word. Its God Brethed.

2 Timothy 3:15-17

I don't know why you listen to an athiest over God. I just don't get it.
I am aware that the Bible is of Christianity and Charles Darwin was an atheist. This is all irrelevant and is no argument against TE, nothing but strawmans. God never says that the world was created in six days, and Genesis does not illustrate a chronological six day creation account. I listen to what scientists say about evolution and that is nothing over what God has said, and my argument of why Genesis is allegory is not spoken of by scientists or even the atheist you are referring to.
 
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