Question for Muslims, Please Answer

[digstar]

Just a quick note about myself:I am seeking truth, and have been for quite some time. I am beginning to think that Christianity is the ultimate truth, but I have a few questions about Islam first.
1) I understand Muslims believe the Old Testament, or atleast parts of it? Do you believe all of parts of the Old Testament? Is it right to pick and choose what you do believe IF YOU DO pick and choose (not saying you do, but if indeed that is the case)
2) If you believe the Old Testament ( to some degree), what do you say about the Jewish Messiah that was promised to the Jews? Does he have any influence on your religion? Do you think that Yeshua was that messiah?
3) How do you account for the promise that God made in the Old Testament that he would deliver a savior, but that savior is not the center-part of your religion? The old testament clearly states that the messiah would be the path to God, but I dont recall any Muslims ever stating that Muhammad was the messiah?
4) I understand that Muhammad could not read or write? And that he also died many years before the Koran was even written? How do you know what is in the Koran is what was actaully revealed to him? How much historical accuracy is there to the Koran?
5) Why it is the Muslims are allowed to kill people if they are not Muslims? That doesnt seem like a very civil and "godly" way to have people convert.
6) Do other people who believe in the God of the Old Testament (I.E. Jews, Christians) still go to heaven according to Islamic belief? How about people that hold no belief in a higher being?
7) If Jesus was only a prophet (as I understand you all believe), then how is it possible that he fulfilled all the prophicies of the Messiah and performed miracles and is still not the Son of God?
8) Are you 100% sure that Islam is the truth given by the one true God, and that Christianity is indeed a flase religion, and that it is not the way to heaven?
9) I understand that Muslims believe that you have 2 angels around you at all time. That 1 records your bad deeds, and the other records your good, but that regardless of how well you lived your life, in the end, you could still go to hell, because Allah is always kind of in a bad mood. Is this true? Are you really only saved by the good deeds you do?
Thank you for your time. I want to know what the ultimate truth is, and I am trying to study all the different beliefs of different people, so the more answers I get, the more it will help. Thanks for you time!

 

[ServantofTheOne]

Just a quick note about myself:I am seeking truth, and have been for quite some time. I am beginning to think that Christianity is the ultimate truth, but I have a few questions about Islam first.
1) I understand Muslims believe the Old Testament, or atleast parts of it? Do you believe all of parts of the Old Testament? Is it right to pick and choose what you do believe IF YOU DO pick and choose (not saying you do, but if indeed that is the case)

first of all, may your Creator guide you to the truth you seek. May Allah bless your efforts.

I'm not a scholar in islam, i would recommend for you to go to reliable sources on islam on the web and consult there. I will make an effort to answer as many questions as i can. May Allah forgive me if i make any errors.

We do not believe in the Old Testament contained in the bible, nor the modern jewish Torah. We believe that other revelations were sent before Muhammad(pbuh) namely the Taurat(Torah), given to prophet Musa(Moses)(pbuh), the Zabur(psalms) to prophet Daud(David)pbuh, and the Injeel(gospel) to prophet Isa(Jesus)(pbuh).

We don't believe that the original revelations were preserved. We do not refer to the OT, NT, Torah of today to derive what islam is.

2) If you believe the Old Testament ( to some degree), what do you say about the Jewish Messiah that was promised to the Jews? Does he have any influence on your religion? Do you think that Yeshua was that messiah?

Even though we don't believe in the OT, however we believe that Isa son of Maryam(pbuh), was the prophesized Messiah that the Jews were waiting for. We believe in the virgin birth of Isa(pbuh), we believe in the miracles He performed by Allah's permission, we believe that He will return before the day of judgement. He will descend in Damascus next to the white minaret. He will return to lead the muslims. He will kill the Dajjal(antichrist) with his vision.

3) How do you account for the promise that God made in the Old Testament that he would deliver a savior, but that savior is not the center-part of your religion? The old testament clearly states that the messiah would be the path to God, but I dont recall any Muslims ever stating that Muhammad was the messiah?

this savior Isa(pbuh) came with the same message that Muhammad(pbuh) came to deliver.. our lord is One, there is no other god but Allah. This is the very message that all prophets came to deliver. to lead the people to the worship of one god, Allah.

this is the center part of islam. its called Tawhid, oneness of Allah. pure monotheism.

We believe that all Allah's prophets brought this same message. the prophets Ahdam, Nuh, Ibrahim, Sulaimon, Daud, Isaaq, Ismail, Musa, Isa, Muhammad(pbut), and all the other 124,000 prophets that Allah sent to deliver his message, came with the same central message.

oneness of Allah, there is no god but Allah.

4) I understand that Muhammad could not read or write? And that he also died many years before the Koran was even written? How do you know what is in the Koran is what was actaully revealed to him? How much historical accuracy is there to the Koran?

We know with certainty that the Qur'an is one Qur'an since the revelation of Qur'an. The Qur'an was revealed to Muhammad(pbuh) over a period of 23 years. It didn't come down in book form all at once. verses of the Qur'an were revealed in certain situations, sometimes to address specific lessons, etc. it came at various times up until the last moments of the prophet's(pbuh) life. When the revelations came they were memorized by the Prophet(pbuh), and memorized by His companions. At that time literacy was scarce, their culture was mostly oral, and the arabs were known for their remarkable capability to memorize enormous amounts of poetry. Along with the memorization, the prophet(pbuh) had scribes write down the revelation as they came. so they had both, written and memorized the Qur'an during the life of the prophet(pbuh).

unlike any other revelation, the Qur'an was preserved intact verbatim exactly how it was revealed by 2 complementary mechanisms, written form and memory.

today there are millions of people who have the entire Qur'an committed to memory. The Qur'an is the only scripture that if all written records(digital or paper) were destroyed can be reconstituted verbatim as the original from the memory of the memorizer's of the Qur'an.

muslims recite portions of the Qur'an in their 5 daily prayers. Every year in ramadham, in every city where there is a muslim community, the entire Qur'an is recited in congregation throughout the month of ramadhan. this has been done since the time of the prophet(pbuh). The oldest perserved manuscripte of the Qur'an is still available, its in a museum in Turkey. It was the Qur'an of second khalifa. If you compare the Qur'ans from one country to another, they are ALL the same.

5) Why it is the Muslims are allowed to kill people if they are not Muslims? That doesnt seem like a very civil and "godly" way to have people convert.

this is outright misinformation or misunderstanding that many non muslims have about muslims.

we are instructed in the Qur'an that there is no compulsion in religion. can anyone change what is in a person's heart by force? Allah doesn't need a single soul to worship him. If noone in the world worshipped him, Allah's power wouldn't diminish a single atoms weight. It is we who need Allah.

We believe that we cannot take a single life of an innocent person unecessarily.

6) Do other people who believe in the God of the Old Testament (I.E. Jews, Christians) still go to heaven according to Islamic belief? How about people that hold no belief in a higher being?

only Allah knows who specifically will go to heavan or not.

however Allah informs us in the Qur'an that if anyone associates another with Allah, and worships another besides Allah, and dies upon this belief, will be punished.

Life is not a joke. Its a test for us. Allah has granted us the freedom to disbelieve in Him.

we all have opportunities to believe in Allah, to be obedient to Him, and to submit to Him.

anyone who outright rejects Allah is in essence taking themselves as gods besides Allah, and if they die in this state, then Yes they will be punished.

7) If Jesus was only a prophet (as I understand you all believe), then how is it possible that he fulfilled all the prophicies of the Messiah and performed miracles and is still not the Son of God?

As Allah has sent many prophets before Isa(pbuh), none were the 'son' of Allah, they all came with the same message. submission and obedience to the One god, Allah.

8) Are you 100% sure that Islam is the truth given by the one true God, and that Christianity is indeed a flase religion, and that it is not the way to heaven?

I am 100% certain, without a single atom of doubt that islam is the truth.

anything that is contradictory to islam is not truth. Islam is the straight path to being at peace with your Creator.

9) I understand that Muslims believe that you have 2 angels around you at all time. That 1 records your bad deeds, and the other records your good, but that regardless of how well you lived your life, in the end, you could still go to hell, because Allah is always kind of in a bad mood. Is this true? Are you really only saved by the good deeds you do?
Thank you for your time. I want to know what the ultimate truth is, and I am trying to study all the different beliefs of different people, so the more answers I get, the more it will help. Thanks for you time!

'Allah is always kind of bad mood' is not true.

It is true that we have 2 angels writing our deeds. However it is not only our deeds that will determine whether or not we are granted paradise. It is only by the grace and mercy of Allah that we enter paradise.

Allah tells us that he is just and that He is merciful.

We have to balance our hopes of paradise based on our belief and deeds, however at the same time we cannot be complacent and arrogant about it, we have to always remain humble.

 

[BoranJarami]

Peace be upon you.

First of all I must let you know that I am not a Muslim.

For not being a scholar I think Servant of The One did a pretty good job, but I have one or two things to add that might help clear up a couple of things.

5) Why it is the Muslims are allowed to kill people if they are not Muslims? That doesnt seem like a very civil and "godly" way to have people convert.

Just as with Christianity, there are those who twist Islamic teachings to serve there own goals and justify the killing of all non Muslims. These people by far do not make up the majority of Muslims so you should not judge all Muslims by their actions.

you could still go to hell, because Allah is always kind of in a bad mood.

This is a line that I have often heard and was born from ignorence on the part of non Muslims who did not take the time to seek out the truth.

If I have said anything that is incorrect, let me know.

May Allah guide your foot steps.

 

[alyaba]

i just want to add one thing for now

you asked how would jesus (PBUH) perform meracols if he was not the son of god?

moses also performed meracles he turned a stick into a snack and he split the red sea and did more but noboday says he is the son of god.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

(Young) Mark 9:7 And there came a cloud overshadowing them, and there came a Voice out of the cloud, saying, `This is My Son--the Beloved, hear ye him!!!!;'

Revelation 2:18 " And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write, ' These things says the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet like fine brass:............

i just want to add one thing for now

you asked how would jesus (PBUH) perform meracols if he was not the son of god?

moses also performed meracles he turned a stick into a snack and he split the red sea and did more but noboday says he is the son of god.

If Jesus was to be like unto Moses, it appears He was also like "a God" unto the jews?

(Rotherham) Acts 3:22 Moses, indeed, said--A prophet, unto you, shall the Lord God raise up among your brethren, like unto me: unto him, shall ye hearken respecting all things whatsoever he shall speak unto you.

(NKJV) Exodus 7:1 So the LORD said to Moses: "See, I have made you [as] God to Pharaoh, and Aaron your brother shall be your prophet. (Rotherham)

Exodus 7:1 Then said Yahweh unto Moses--See! I have appointed thee to be God unto Pharaoh,--and, Aaron thy brother, shall be thy prophet! (Young)

Exodus 7:1 And Jehovah saith unto Moses, `See, I have given thee a god to Pharaoh, and Aaron thy brother is thy prophet;

http://www.christianforums.com/t2915036-do-muslims-read-the-ot-oc.html

Can the muslims understand why God sent Jesus without reading the OT/OC? And what percentage of muslims read both the Bible and Koran? Peace.Peace.

Yes we can Very small percentage and only researchers probably.

Because Quran is the last and final revelation which is perfected and protected.

 

[BoranJarami]

You must remember that Muslims do not accept the scriptures that we have word for word. In their eyes, the message of God given to the prophets have been distorted. As such it is difficult to argue points from the Bible with them.

God bless and the Holy Spirit guide.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

i just want to add one thing for now

you asked how would jesus (PBUH) perform meracols if he was not the son of god?

moses also performed meracles he turned a stick into a snack and he split the red sea and did more but noboday says he is the son of god.

You must remember that Muslims do not accept the scriptures that we have word for word. In their eyes, the message of God given to the prophets have been distorted. As such it is difficult to argue points from the Bible with them.

God bless and the Holy Spirit guide.

Another words, they more or less pick and choose what is inspired or not in the OT/OC and NT/NC and use it to justify their Koran and his supposed vision by Gabriel?

Acts 3:22 Moses, indeed, said--A prophet, unto you, shall the Lord God raise up among your brethren, like unto me: unto him, shall ye hearken respecting all things whatsoever he shall speak unto you.

(Young) Exodus 7:1 And Jehovah saith unto Moses, `See, I have given thee a god to Pharaoh, and Aaron thy brother is thy prophet;

(Young) Mark 9:7 And there came a cloud overshadowing them, and there came a Voice out of the cloud, saying, `This is My Son--the Beloved, hear ye him!!!!;'

Revelation 2:18 " And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write, ' These things says the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet like fine brass:............

 

[DhikrAllah]

I don’t mean it to seem like I’m poking fun at you, but…

moses also performed meracles he turned a stick into a snack

made me laugh so hard I couldn’t breathe properly. I still keep on chuckling while typing this!

Jazakallah khair for your fabulous post

 

[BigChrisfilm]

I don’t mean it to seem like I’m poking fun at you, but…made me laugh so hard I couldn’t breathe properly. I still keep on chuckling while typing this!

Jazakallah khair for your fabulous post

Well, I am going to try and help you stop, because I don't want anything bad to happen to you, ready........ Moses didn't do it, god did!

 

[DhikrAllah]

But it makes it sound like he stood in front of Pharaoh and chewed an inedible stick, going: ”Mmmm! Delicious! What a miracle!” or something.

 

[BigChrisfilm]

please post the verse you are talking about please.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Well, I am going to try and help you stop, because I don't want anything bad to happen to you, ready........ Moses didn't do it, god did!

Yup. Notice the similarity between the parting of the Red Sea and the Mt of Olives being cleft in 2?

Exodus 14:19 And the Angel of God, who went before the camp of Israel, moved and went behind them; and the pillar of cloud went from before them and stood behind them. 20 So it came between the camp of the Egyptians and the camp of Israel. Thus it was a cloud and darkness [to the one,] and it gave light by night [to the other,] so that the one did not come near the other all that night. 21 Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD caused the sea to go [back] by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea into dry [land,] and the waters were divided. [SIZE=+2]

[/SIZE] Zech 14:4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, From east to west, [Making] a very large valley; Half of the mountain shall move toward the north And half of it toward the south.

 

[seed757]

moses also performed meracles he turned a stick into a snack

Maybe it was the first SlimJim. Teasn' of course.

 

[YahwehisHisname]

Digstar, You are being misled. I don't have the energy to go through all of them again, so I would suggest that you check some other threads for answers to your questions. The one I haven't addressed here yet came up in the pack of junk I read so I will only attempt to shed light on this very important topic.

Muhammad claimed that the “People of the Book,” (the Children of Israel, the Jews), “changed the words from their right places and forgot a good part of the message” and “altered words from their context and neglected a portion of the message they were reminded of.” Yet the evidence proves otherwise. Virtually every place, person, custom, and event depicted in the Bible has been shown to have been grounded in history. And nearly every single archeological artifact, from Noah to Abraham, from Moses to Christ, is evidenced by the Bible and dated to a time preceding Islam. Since the historically verified people, places, and dates correspond perfectly to the Biblical account, then things can not be as the Qur’an claims them to be. The Septuagint (the Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible) survives to this day. It was translated 275 years before Christ. It matches today’s Old Testament with astonishing fidelity. In addition, the Dead Sea Scrolls date between 250 BC and 70 AD, and are virtually indistinguishable from today’s text. On them, Yahweh’s name is written 6,868 times and Allah’s not even once. Nor is Mecca or the Ka’aba.
The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Septuagint prove that the words of the Torah, Psalms, and Prophets did not change during the thousand years preceding Islam—or in the fourteen hundred years since.
Concerning the New Testament, by the time Muslims said it was corrupted, there were hundreds of translations and as many as a hundred thousand copies distributed throughout the civilized world. And twenty-five thousand New Testament fragments and scrolls dating to more than five hundred years before the earliest surviving Qur’an testify that the Gospels remain unaltered.
For Islam’s claim to be true, all of these sources—the historical, the archeological, the Septuagint, the Dead Sea Scrolls, the hundreds of thousands of copies of the Old and New Testaments-- would all have to have been altered in a conspiratorial fashion that defies rational thought. The odds are beyond impossible. No scholar, historian, or archeologist has ever discovered any artifact to suggest that the Bible erred—not even in the smallest detail. In fact, the opposite is true. So the Qur’an’s claim is impossible. And that means Islam cannot possibly be true.

 

[BigChrisfilm]

Digstar, my brother in christ, I hope you will take the time to read what this man has to say about Islam, it will help you out, if you need anything, or want any answers to ANY questions, I am just a PM away

http://answering-islam.org.uk/Authors/Fisher/Topical/index.htm

 

[Skillganon]

The answers to christianity!

Just to show it does exist also!

 

[BigChrisfilm]

As a new christian, I advise you to look at my link, and at there link as well, but don't look at either one of them, until you have studied the bible well, because Satan will attack you from all directions until you are strong enuff to resist, even I had a hard transition into learning about islam when I first started coming here, I think it is good to keep an open mind about who is right, but you should always make sure you know what christianity is before others start telling you what it is. Ask god to never leave your side when coming to this thread, and he will protect you.

BTW I have heard it said that lieing is acceptable to Muslims, as long as it helps bring others to Islam, so never EVER believe anything they say until you check it out for yourself, I have ran into this many times already on this thread, be carefull.

 

[digstar]

Why is this so confusing !!! OK I appreciate everyones insite, and as far as Islam goes, 3 things bother me.
1) I didnt even realize this, but women dont have souls and dont go to heaven or something like that??? ***!
and 2) Christianity came first, and many of the Christian claims have been proven true (from my own study) as someone mentioned earlier. hmmm

I guess I have to put a point on the board for Christianity on this one! (Sorry Muslims). And about Mohammad being predicted in the bible, I looked at that site, and those claims seem very, broad, like...IF you look at it from THIS pov, then it MAYBE sounds like it could be Mohammad, but does the bible say it was the Holy Spirit that was being sent?

I dont know, this is all very confusing, but thanks for your imput.

 

[Skillganon]

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[Skillganon]

Why is this so confusing !!! OK I appreciate everyones insite, and as far as Islam goes, 3 things bother me.
1) I didnt even realize this, but women dont have souls and dont go to heaven or something like that??? ***!
and 2) Christianity came first, and many of the Christian claims have been proven true (from my own study) as someone mentioned earlier. hmmm

I guess I have to put a point on the board for Christianity on this one! (Sorry Muslims). And about Mohammad being predicted in the bible, I looked at that site, and those claims seem very, broad, like...IF you look at it from THIS pov, then it MAYBE sounds like it could be Mohammad, but does the bible say it was the Holy Spirit that was being sent?

I dont know, this is all very confusing, but thanks for your imput.

You stated 3 thing's, the first one is not true!


Your 3rd is debatable!

Try out the link I provided if you really want to know about Islam! Hope u got my PM!