Question for evolutionist

Lillen · Feb 9, 2011

Why is it so important that christians abandon their faith and start believing in evolution in stead?

Now you could argue the same way about creation, but we have an answer: if someone offer you the ability to be immortal, and have eternal life as a free gift from God, it would be a disaster if we did not witness about what Jesus did on the cross! He forgave you all your sins!

pgp_protector · Feb 9, 2011

Um Christians don't have to abandon their faith to accept that evolution is the best explication of how we got here.

Nostromo · Feb 9, 2011

Lillen said:
Now you could argue the same way about creation, but we have an answer: if someone offer you the ability to be immortal, and have eternal life as a free gift from God, it would be a disaster if we did not witness about what Jesus did on the cross! He forgave you all your sins!

Christianity isn't the only religion to offer immortality and punish unbelievers. Why choose Christianity over the others?

What's so great about immortality anyway?

Belk · Feb 9, 2011

Lillen said:
Why is it so important that christians abandon their faith and start believing in evolution in stead?

Now you could argue the same way about creation, but we have an answer: if someone offer you the ability to be immortal, and have eternal life as a free gift from God, it would be a disaster if we did not witness about what Jesus did on the cross! He forgave you all your sins!

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3sigma · Feb 9, 2011

Lillen said:
Why is it so important that christians abandon their faith and start believing in evolution in stead?

Good question. Why is it better to abandon ignorance and embrace knowledge instead? Why is it important to abandon fantasy and base ones decisions on reality instead? Id say it helps us avoid causing unnecessary harm by allowing us to come to reasonable conclusions.

Now you could argue the same way about creation, but we have an answer: if someone offer you the ability to be immortal, and have eternal life as a free gift from God, it would be a disaster if we did not witness about what Jesus did on the cross! He forgave you all your sins!

Actually, you cant argue the same way about creation at all. Fantasy is not the same as reality: it is the opposite. It isnt a disaster for me to ignore the promises of religion. Im not insecure enough to want to believe that nonsense and not credulous enough to allow my self to believe it.

bibleblevr · Feb 9, 2011

pgp_protector said:
Um Christians don't have to abandon their faith to accept that evolution is the best explication of how we got here.

Amen, why do so many creationists like to lump evolutionists into the same catigory as Non-christans?

Great quote by Augustine BWT he's my favorite theologian.

Exiledoomsayer · Feb 9, 2011

Lillen said:
Why is it so important that christians abandon their faith and start believing in evolution in stead?

Now you could argue the same way about creation, but we have an answer: if someone offer you the ability to be immortal, and have eternal life as a free gift from God, it would be a disaster if we did not witness about what Jesus did on the cross! He forgave you all your sins!

You are making a common mistake in that you equate Evolution with Atheism, They are not synonyms.
There are many christians who accept evolution as a science, they simply see it as the path god choose to create.

Christianity is not only a litteral interpretation of the bible.
If your interpretation of the bible does not fit with reality at worst you are asked to realize that and switch a interpretation of the bible that does fit with reality. The bible, God, jesus and the holyspirit all remain the same. Heaven is still there so is hell so is 'objective' morality etc etc.

Think of it as asking a flat earther christian to accept the earth is round. You are not asking him to stop being a christian, you are asking him to correctly see reality and realize his interpretation was wrong.

Supreme · Feb 9, 2011

What about Christians who find harmony and non-conflict between the two?

Being a Christian doesn't mean you must not accept some of the most important and most substantiated claims in science...

Wiccan_Child · Feb 9, 2011

Lillen said:
Why is it so important that christians abandon their faith and start believing in evolution in stead?

It's not. Evolution and Christianity are completely unrelated, so you can happily believe both.

Lillen said:
Now you could argue the same way about creation, but we have an answer: if someone offer you the ability to be immortal, and have eternal life as a free gift from God, it would be a disaster if we did not witness about what Jesus did on the cross! He forgave you all your sins!

Hoorah! So why are you telling me about it?

Delphiki · Feb 9, 2011

I'm probably just repeating what's already been said in this thread, but you don't have to give up your faith to learn about the Theory of Evolution and accept the evidence for it.

Also, I would never in a million years want to be immortal, even if it were possible.

A long life? Sure. But not an eternity.

keith99 · Feb 9, 2011

Delphiki said:
I'm probably just repeating what's already been said in this thread, but you don't have to give up your faith to learn about the Theory of Evolution and accept the evidence for it.

Also, I would never in a million years want to be immortal, even if it were possible.

A long life? Sure. But not an eternity.

Immortal could be fun, if done right. Perhaps something half way to reincarnation. Sort of like a Phoenix. But it would mean forgetting and rebuilding. Far from the usual versions of immortality.

eugler · Feb 9, 2011

Lillen said:
Why is it so important that christians abandon their faith and start believing in evolution in stead?

Now you could argue the same way about creation, but we have an answer: if someone offer you the ability to be immortal, and have eternal life as a free gift from God, it would be a disaster if we did not witness about what Jesus did on the cross! He forgave you all your sins!

Well, first of all what is an evolutionist? Is it the same as Big Bangist or a Germist or whatever else you could call a person that is familiar with and persuaded by the contributions of science to our lives?

The "Evolution" that Creationists are attacking is just a poor metaphor for the collection of knowledge that was attained by the scientific method. Its merits are undeniable and while giving interesting insights in our existence this knowledge could lead an educated person to the conclusion that this existence is far more complex than the bible indicates. That of course doesn't mean that it proves any religion to be wrong as some of the more sophisticated christians in this thread have already pointed out. Yet there are a bunch of uneducated and insecure Christians who happily fall for the snake oil venders that sell them books, films and lectures telling them that their faith is under attack by some kind of diabolic atheist conspiracy. It would be funny if it wouldn't be so sad.

DrkSdBls · Feb 9, 2011

keith99 said:
Immortal could be fun, if done right. Perhaps something half way to reincarnation. Sort of like a Phoenix. But it would mean forgetting and rebuilding. Far from the usual versions of immortality.

I wouldn't say no to something along the lines of Doctor Who.... Just regenerate yourself a new body every few years. All new Face, Whole new Out-look, no need to grow up all over again.

Anyway, Personally, The Christian Promise of Heaven never did appeal to me anyway. My idea of heaven? God can come and take the Lunatics and then Leave the rest of us alone in peace.

KIYX · Feb 9, 2011

Lillen said:
Why is it so important that christians abandon their faith and start believing in evolution in stead?

I dunno, why is it so important for creationists to lie about what evolution is and then lie to their fellow christians by claiming you can't be a christian and believe in evolution?

Gawron · Feb 15, 2011

"A long life? Sure. But not an eternity"

You say that now.....

KIYX · Feb 16, 2011

Gawron said:
"A long life? Sure. But not an eternity"

You say that now.....

Most people who've actually given it some thought say that.

Gawron · Feb 16, 2011

If you had given any thought to my response, you would not have felt the knee-jerk need to post an insult in your response. This website never dissapoints.

LifeToTheFullest! · Feb 16, 2011

Gawron said:
If you had given any thought to my response, you would not have felt the knee-jerk need to post an insult in your response. This website never dissapoints.

If you had given any thought to your response, he would not have responded so quick with a response. If you had given any thought to your knee-jerk response to his response to your response, none of this would have responsibly happened. So, think of this before you respond in the future. It will save a lot of jerked knees.

Phred · Feb 16, 2011

Lillen said:
Why is it so important that christians abandon their faith and start believing in evolution in stead?

Why would it be important to see a ball fall to the ground and then say you didn't believe in gravity? Facts are facts whether you believe them or not and we know more about evolution than we do about gravity. But you wouldn't ever consider saying you didn't believe in gravity, would you? No, of course not. Mainly because the effects of gravity can be seen in moments. You have to take time to understand evolution and then it conflicts with something you want to believe... that man is a special creation and holds a special place in the universe. To those of us who understand it however, it's as obvious as that ball falling. When you say you don't believe it then it's just as foolish.

Now you could argue the same way about creation, but we have an answer: if someone offer you the ability to be immortal, and have eternal life as a free gift from God, it would be a disaster if we did not witness about what Jesus did on the cross! He forgave you all your sins!

But you don't have an answer. What you believe about a life after this one in no way has anything to do with how this universe was created, how this world was created or how man came to be. You're conflating belief with reality. Frankly, I don't think that you believe in something that's real.

Delphiki · Feb 16, 2011

DrkSdBls said:
I wouldn't say no to something along the lines of Doctor Who....

Throw in Amy Pond and I'm sold.

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