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Question for creationists

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Oncedeceived said:
These two references are talking about very fine flexible fibers that can be sewn into cloth. Not representive of the hard dome like structure that was being discussed.


The thin, flexible fibres come later in the process, at first the metal is spread, here through beating, into thin plates.

"And they did beat the gold into thin plates,"
"Silver spread into plates is brought from Tarshish,"



Oncedeceived said:
Actually it is Job 37:18 and it says: Hast thou with him spread out the sky, [which is] strong, [and] as a molten looking glass?

How would you define molten looking glass?


A mirror made of cast metal.

yatsaq
1) to pour, flow, cast, pour out
a) (Qal)
1) to pour, pour out
2) to cast
3) to flow
b) (Hiphil) to pour, pour out
c) (Hophal)
1) to be poured
2) cast, molten (participle)
3) being firmly established (participle)



Oncedeceived said:
A past participle of melt.


adj.

1. Made liquid by heat; melted: molten lead.
2. Made by melting and casting in a mold.
3. Brilliantly glowing, from or as if from intense heat: “A huge red bed of coals blazed and quivered with molten fury” (Richard Wright).

So the looking glass if taken totally defined as stated would mean of melted or liquified material that was clear enough to see as if looking into a mirror(glass).


The mirors in antiquity were made of bronze, silver, tin or other metals. So, the "molten" (for Hebrew see above) refers to the production process, and not to the finished product. A mirror consisting of hot, liquid metal would be quite useless, I might say. No, the finished product is a hard, solid metal.

And compared to that is the sky in Job 37:18.

 
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aggo said:
1) if we find life on other planets, what does this mean?

There is life on other planets.


aggo said:
2) if water in the liquid form is found (not gasoline ponds - ie titan) does that mean anything?

That there is water on other planets


aggo said:
these questions are in the context of your belief in god.

Both of those questions would have no bearing on my belief in God.
 
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