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Hey. I am curious about the beliefs of different denominations, and since I don't know anything about catholicism, I would like to ask some questions. These are serious questions, so I'd like serious answers...

Why do Catholics pray to Mary and the saints and venerate them? God's answered many of my prayers and done miracles in my life, and He sent His Son to die. So I worship Him, and since Christ gave us authority to approach God and bring our petitions to Him, I pray to God also. But saints have never done anything for me. Even if I prayed to them, are they omniscient like God? How could they hear us down here?

Why do Catholics think only they are the body, when other Christians believe and have faith in Christ, which the bible says justifies us and baptizes us into His body? I always understood salvation as being by faith, not by club membership.

What do Catholics think about "charismatic" things, like baptism of the Holy Spirit as a separate experience from salvation, the Spirit's administration of spiritual gifts, etc.? I've seen miracles and healings too often to be able to deny them.

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Hey. I am curious about the beliefs of different denominations, and since I don't know anything about catholicism, I would like to ask some questions. These are serious questions, so I'd like serious answers...
The Catholic Church isn't a denomination. Protestantism is what gave birth to the concept of denominations. Luther had his idea of how it should be, but so did other people. So Protestantism splintered into denominations, and this splintering has continued at an exponential rate ever since.
Why do Catholics pray to Mary and the saints and venerate them? God's answered many of my prayers and done miracles in my life, and He sent His Son to die. So I worship Him, and since Christ gave us authority to approach God and bring our petitions to Him, I pray to God also. But saints have never done anything for me. Even if I prayed to them, are they omniscient like God? How could they hear us down here?
God can answer our prayers by sending us one of His angels. He usually doesn't directly intervene. When a war broke out in Heaven between the good angels and the bad ones, God allowed St. Michael to handle it. However, God does sometimes personally intervene such as when He became man and preached and ministered to the masses directly.

Examples of intercession can be found in the Old Testament such as when when Abraham interceded on behalf of Lot and when Moses interceded on behalf of the Hebrew people after they had sinned against God. In the New Testament, the first miracle of Jesus' ministry was performed at the request of the Blessed Virgin Mary, when Jesus turned water into wine. And Scripture describes how the saints in Heaven can see us and how they give constant intercession for us to God.

"Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with perseverance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus the pioneer and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God." - Hebrews 12:1-2 (added emphasis)

"And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints" - Revelation 5:8

"And another angel came and stood at the altar with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne" - Revelation 8:3

"When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne; they cried out with a loud voice, 'O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before thou wilt judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell upon the earth?' Then they were each given a white robe and told to rest a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brethren should be complete, who were to be killed as they themselves had been." - Revelation 6:9-11

Why do Catholics think only they are the body, when other Christians believe and have faith in Christ, which the bible says justifies us and baptizes us into His body? I always understood salvation as being by faith, not by club membership.
This question is answered in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. It says:

836 "All men are called to this catholic unity of the People of God. . . . And to it, in different ways, belong or are ordered: the Catholic faithful, others who believe in Christ, and finally all mankind, called by God's grace to salvation."

837 "Fully incorporated into the society of the Church are those who, possessing the Spirit of Christ, accept all the means of salvation given to the Church together with her entire organization, and who - by the bonds constituted by the profession of faith, the sacraments, ecclesiastical government, and communion - are joined in the visible structure of the Church of Christ, who rules her through the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops. Even though incorporated into the Church, one who does not however persevere in charity is not saved. He remains indeed in the bosom of the Church, but 'in body' not 'in heart.'"

838 "The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter." Those "who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church." With the Orthodox Churches, this communion is so profound "that it lacks little to attain the fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord's Eucharist."​

What do Catholics think about "charismatic" things, like baptism of the Holy Spirit as a separate experience from salvation, the Spirit's administration of spiritual gifts, etc.? I've seen miracles and healings too often to be able to deny them.
Before Protestantism, all Christians had universally always understood that Baptism requires water. The sacraments are God's ordinary way of dispensing His graces to us. However, God is not limited by the sacraments. There can be special circumstances.

For example:

"The Church has always held the firm conviction that those who suffer death for the sake of the faith without having received Baptism are baptized by their death for and with Christ. This Baptism of blood, like the desire for Baptism, brings about the fruits of Baptism without being a sacrament." - CCC, 1258
 
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Why do Catholics pray to Mary and the saints and venerate them?
Have you ever asked a friend from church to pray for you? It's the same principle. God is the god of the living; not the dead. And the "dead" in Christ are more alive than we are. Asking for their prayers is no more and no less legitimate than asking a friend of yours to pray for you.

But saints have never done anything for me.
At a minimum, they've given you an example to follow. An ideal to aspire to.

Even if I prayed to them, are they omniscient like God? How could they hear us down here?
Various parts of sacred Scripture indicate the dead are aware of what happens here. There's no scriptural basis for assuming they can't hear you ask for their prayers.

Why do Catholics think only they are the body, when other Christians believe and have faith in Christ, which the bible says justifies us and baptizes us into His body? I always understood salvation as being by faith, not by club membership.
It isn't so much about membership as it is that we Catholics believe ours is the Church founded by Our Lord. Reading the Church Fathers shows a Church with recognizably Catholic theology, structures and liturgy. It's primitive in some cases but it's clear.

Believing in Christ is great! You're doing great so be sure to keep that up! However, sacred Scripture never identifies faith alone as the ordinary means of salvation. Our Lord said that He is the way, the truth and the life, and nobody comes to the Father but by Him. That's a beautiful statement but it's a far cry from saying faith alone is all you need to secure your salvation. St. Mark 16:16 (ie, Baptism), St. Luke 13:3 (ie, Reconciliation) and St. John 6:54 (ie, Eucharist) outline other necessities for salvation. The Church is the duly authorized minister of those necessities... which are called sacraments.

What do Catholics think about "charismatic" things, like baptism of the Holy Spirit as a separate experience from salvation, the Spirit's administration of spiritual gifts, etc.? I've seen miracles and healings too often to be able to deny them.

Any help would be cool.
The Catholic Church is perfectly welcoming of true miracles, and in fact has investigated and approved many herself. You can find a quick list of them at http://www.churchpop.com/2015/06/28/5-extraordinary-eucharistic-miracles-with-pictures

So nobody here is very likely to disagree with you that miracles are a very real thing.
 
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Why do Catholics pray to Mary and the saints and venerate them? God's answered many of my prayers and done miracles in my life, and He sent His Son to die. So I worship Him, and since Christ gave us authority to approach God and bring our petitions to Him, I pray to God also. But saints have never done anything for me. Even if I prayed to them, are they omniscient like God? How could they hear us down here?
James 5:16 says we should pray for one another and that the prayers of the righteous are powerful and effective. Revelation 5:8 shows us that the Saints in heaven are aware of our prayers. We do not ask the Saints to do anything by their own power, we simply ask for them to pray for us. Exactly how they are able to do this is unclear but the Bible clearly shows that it happens. God may empower them so they can receive many prayers at the same time or they may simply not be bound by time and can take each prayer one at a time.

Why do Catholics think only they are the body, when other Christians believe and have faith in Christ, which the bible says justifies us and baptizes us into His body? I always understood salvation as being by faith, not by club membership.
Jesus said "And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." (Matthew 16:18) Saint Paul said the pillar and foundation of the truth is the Church. The Church existed long before the Bible was canonized. The only Church with a clear, direct line to the apostles is the Catholic Church. Other denominations may contain some truth but the fullness of truth is found only in the Catholic Church.

What do Catholics think about "charismatic" things, like baptism of the Holy Spirit as a separate experience from salvation, the Spirit's administration of spiritual gifts, etc.? I've seen miracles and healings too often to be able to deny them.
I don't reject it but I am skeptical because at times it seems forced. The most common form of these spiritual gifts in the Charismatic movement would be speaking in tongues but most of the time it is simply incoherent babbling which I have a hard time believing would come from God. In the Bible, tongues meant another language and when the early Christians did it, they may not have understood what they were saying but the people around them did. I don't have a problem with the movement and there are even Charismatic Catholics but I prefer traditional Catholicism.
 
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Hey. I am curious about the beliefs of different denominations, and since I don't know anything about catholicism, I would like to ask some questions. These are serious questions, so I'd like serious answers...

You got it; serious! (It's actually the only way I know to answer questions about my faith.)

Why do Catholics pray to Mary and the saints and venerate them? God's answered many of my prayers and done miracles in my life, and He sent His Son to die. So I worship Him, and since Christ gave us authority to approach God and bring our petitions to Him, I pray to God also. But saints have never done anything for me. Even if I prayed to them, are they omniscient like God? How could they hear us down here?

First I'd like to say; there are 2.5 BILLION people in the world today who claim to be Catholic. With that many people all making the claim, and with our faith having been around for over 2,000 yrs, I hope you'll think it's reasonable to expect that there will be Catholics in many varying degrees of knowledge regarding our faith. Not to mention people who claim to be Catholic, but behave in any way, BUT Catholic!! (If they aren't acting like Jesus, they aren't acting like a Catholic.)

My two fellow Catholics have given pretty good answers to your questions, and I think they covered the 1st. two areas pretty well. 'Thecolorsblend' covered the explanation of this very well. I would like to add though, that I find Protestant faiths often think that Catholics are "worshiping" the saints by 'praying' to them. The confusion is in the word itself. In a faith as old as ours, there are bound to be holdover words from other eras; and 'pray' is one of them. We use it to simply mean, "talk"; as in the old English, "pray thee, do you know what time it is?" My fellow Catholic then explained well the rest of it. But, of course, when asking someone to pray for you, you'd certainly want someone who was very strong in their faith. Who stronger in their faith in Our Lord, then His blessed mother?

Why do Catholics think only they are the body, when other Christians believe and have faith in Christ, which the bible says justifies us and baptizes us into His body? I always understood salvation as being by faith, not by club membership.

Again, my fellow Catholics did a fine job with their answers on this. Please consider uniting with us, since the Lord prayed, ..."Holy Father, keep them in your name, which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are one." (Jn 17;11). I have spent the last 7 yrs studying the history of the Christian Church, and although it isn't the inspired word of God, it does tell us what the apostles were doing and teaching. Plus, the added benefit of reading the writings of followers of the apostles, who give a first hand account of what the apostle John was teaching in the churches; while John was still ALIVE, and able to refute it if it were wrong! Since neither John, nor any of the other notable members of the early church, speak against these writings; and at times even recommend them to be read in the churches, we can feel very comfortable knowing that these writings are reliable. (I recommend reading, 'Eusebius, The History of the Church'; or any of a 3 volume set of writings called, 'The Early Church Fathers' (volumes 1 - 3), edited by William A. Jurgens.

What do Catholics think about "charismatic" things, like baptism of the Holy Spirit as a separate experience from salvation, the Spirit's administration of spiritual gifts, etc.? I've seen miracles and healings too often to be able to deny them.

I think that I might be the most helpful here, since I was a part of the Charasmatic Catholic renewal/resurgence in our faith in the 70's. Something that still continues to this day.

Yes, the Catholic Church believes in ALL of the spiritual gifts. Those that are more common, such as administration or hospitality, and those that are less common, such as speaking in tongues, interpretation of tongues, healing, prophesy, etc. We refer to these less common gifts as 'charisms'; and realize that not everybody will have these more unique gifts, but that the Holy Spirit gives them to whomever He delights to, for the building up of the body of believers, His church.
The baptism of the Holy Spirit is given during the Sacrament of Confirmation, just as it was done in the Bible. The bishop calls down the Holy Spirit upon the candidates through the "laying on of hands". As I'm sure you're already aware, some people experience the gifts of the Holy Spirit early on, and it takes others longer to realize what their particular gift may be. This will largely depend on the continued education and practicing of the faith of the individual. Just as in the parable of the Sower, in (Mt 13;1-9), some seed falls on rocky ground, springs up immediately, but then is scorched and dies, or is choked out by the thorns, and some seed falls on good soil, and brings forth grain, ..."

I would truly encourage you to read the writings of the early Christians! I have a library of writings that take up forty books! These are writings before the year 350 or so! It's way before any splits ever occurred and it's great just to see the explanations of the texts of the Bible! I really think if we could get all Christians to read these writings that we would all truly unite as one Church, just as Jesus intended us to be; one body, one faith, one baptism.

I would like to encourage you to continue to ask questions. In my opinion, I think that the Church that Jesus started is the church that we should want to belong to. For He promised that the "gates of Hell" shall not overcome her! If Jesus is our God, then that church is still alive and present, and has NEVER disappeared! The Catholic Church is the ONLY Church that has never changed one doctrine of our faith. NOT ONE!!

We may change disciplines, which, just as you have rules to raise your children; so the church has rules put in place for the building up of the children of God. These may change over time, depending what is needed. But they are given for the purpose of drawing God's children closer to him.

Any help would be cool.
 
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In the Bible, tongues meant another language and when the early Christians did it, they may not have understood what they were saying but the people around them did.

Not necessarily .

When glossolalia is prayer it is not for others to understand . It is addressed to God .

" For he that speaketh in a tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man heareth. Yet by the Spirit he speaketh mysteries. " ( From 1 Corinthians ) .

If you watch the video below of leaders in the Catholic Charismatic Renewal meeting with St Pope John Paul II in the Vatican gardens , you will hear them praying in tongues......prayer directed to God not to the people around them .....
 
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Not necessarily .

When glossolalia is prayer it is not for others to understand . It is addressed to God .

" For he that speaketh in a tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man heareth. Yet by the Spirit he speaketh mysteries. " ( From 1 Corinthians ) .

If you watch the video below of leaders in the Catholic Charismatic Renewal meeting with St Pope John Paul II in the Vatican gardens , you will hear them praying in tongues......prayer directed to God not to the people around them .....
Thanks for the info.
 
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Hm... OK I think I get it. Thanks for all the answers. I'll ask more if I think of any.

You must have loads of questions about Catholicism .

I know I have , and no doubt always will .:)

As the Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches , " Since our knowledge of God is limited, our language about him is equally so.......God transcends all creatures. We must therefore continually purify our language of everything in it that is limited, image-bound or imperfect, if we are not to confuse our image of God--"the inexpressible, the incomprehensible, the invisible, the ungraspable"--with our human representations . Our human words always fall short of the mystery of God. "
 
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1) We ask (pray to) the Mother of God (and other saints) to pray for us because they are truly alive in heaven. They can intercede for us before the throne of God! It is no different than asking a friend to pray for a sick relative.

2) Yes, we believe that The Catholic Church is the Church founded by Christ and handed down by the apostles to the present age. We believe it posses the fullness of truth. Other Christians are our "separated brethren" we do NOT cast any judgemnt on them or their souls.

3) Certain extremely holy people (such as St. Pio) was known to cure the blind through intercessory prayer. He also knew the sins of his penitents before they even opened their mouths. Other miracles within the Catholic Church includes: bilocation, stigmata, incorruptible, visions of hell, heaven and purgatory. PLEASE NOTE: These are ALL PRIVATE REVELATION and it is NOT required for a Catholic to believe them UNLESS the magisterium says otherwise.

God Bless
 
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What scriptures advocate praying to the dead? I'm not familiar with any. Also, there used to b a May procession where a large statue of Mary was carried around the street
as the people sang. This seems like idolatry to me.
 
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PLEASE remember this is a CATHOLIC subforum to accuses us of "worshipping Mary/idoltary" or worshipping the dead goes AGAINST the forum rules!!! You may NOT debate or tell us what to believe!

That being said; statues of Mary is imagery, to help us remember her saintly life and ask for her intercession. It is NOT idolatry.

PLEASE be careful.
 
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PLEASE remember this is a CATHOLIC subforum to accuses us of "worshipping Mary/idoltary" or worshipping the dead goes AGAINST the forum rules!!! You may NOT debate or tell us what to believe!

That being said; statues of Mary is imagery, to help us remember her saintly life and ask for her intercession. It is NOT idolatry.

PLEASE be careful.
 
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What scriptures advocate praying to the dead? I'm not familiar with any. Also, there used to b a May procession where a large statue of Mary was carried around the street
as the people sang. This seems like idolatry to me.

I can understand why you might see this as idolatry
we live in a Christian culture (or in many places a post-Christian culture)
so everything we see is through a Christian cultural lens

where the Early Church (except for the very little part that was in Israel which was Jewish) would be dealing with Pagan cultures
we can even see through out the Bible that Israel would be infiltrated by Pagan ideas and Empires at times

my point about culture is, since we do not really see Paganism very often, we can misunderstand idolatry

pagan idolatry either has a statue that represent a god, or in some cases, the idol was seen as a god itself

idolatry can also be seen as loving anything more then we love God

well the statue you talk about does not represent a god, it represents a human being who was a faithful servant of the true God
we do not think the statue is alive or anything crazy like that
so it is not pagan idolatry
and we know that just statues are not pagan, because God had a LOT of statues in His Temple made by Solomon, and He directly commanded for statues of cherubim be placed on top of the Ark of the Covenant

but is it the other type of idolatry?
where we give something too much love and ignore God?
well this is a serious question, and sometimes Catholics are too flippant in dismissing this question
ok, you talked about the May Crowning
that is done once a year, lets look at other things we do once a year
we have 4th of July, where we give a lot of focus to love of our country
we have birthdays, where we give a lot of focus to love of our friend or family member who had a birthday
so since we show our love for all these other things, why not have a nice celebration for the Blessed Mother?

anything can become an idol if we forget to be humble and be thankful to God
Catholics are always mindful that Mary was only able to be faithful because of the grace that God had given to her
no Saint is self made, rather all of us are called to be shaped by God, who is the Lord of our life
 
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What scriptures advocate praying to the dead? I'm not familiar with any.
What Scripture identifies the dead in Christ as being dead rather than living? I can think of one that expressly rejects that.

Also, there used to b a May procession where a large statue of Mary was carried around the street
as the people sang. This seems like idolatry to me.
Idolatry is an act of religious worship. Unless you're willing to label waving a flag, holding a sign at a political event or other things as a bizarre form of idolatry nobody has ever heard of before, the statues of Our Lady can't be considered idolatry.
 
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I think this video "Statue of Mary?" is an attempt to have a go at the use Catholics make of statues of Mary . Though the poor guy who made the video got it wrong :(......It ain't Mary .....it's St Thérèse de Lisieux.....and the lesson.....get your facts right before you go off on one......I find the thunder in the background amusing:).....

 
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