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QFT, BFCBeastt: "All atheists believe no gods exist."
AirPo: "No. All atheists lack a belief in any god."
What I said was someone who is atheist lacks believe in any gods. That does not exclude the possibility the the particular someone in question believes that god does not exist. However, the opposite is not true.
I know this is turning quite GA, but shouldn't it be that an agnostic doesn't believe in a god, while an atheist believes that no gods exist?
I know this is turning quite GA, but shouldn't it be that an agnostic doesn't believe in a god, while an atheist believes that no gods exist?
Perhaps I'm just a bit foggy this morning. Can you explain to me how someone who believes that no gods exists can hold belief in any god?No. All atheists lack a belief in any god.
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Perhaps I'm just a bit foggy this morning. Can you explain to me how someone who believes that no gods exists can hold belief in any god?
There seems to be a subtlety to your point which is, at the moment, escaping me.
Perhaps I'm just a bit foggy this morning. Can you explain to me how someone who believes that no gods exists can hold belief in any god?
There seems to be a subtlety to your point which is, at the moment, escaping me.
Abiogenesis and spontaneous generation are the same in the way Lamarckian and Darwnian evolution are the same. The basic idea is the same, but the specific proceses are completely different.Abiogenesis and spontaneous generation are the same thing. Read hypotheses.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis
So you're suggesting that someone with no introduction whatsoever to religion, (assuming this were possible), and no personal idea about the possibility of the existence of god(s) would be an atheist?The thing that is common to all atheists is a lack of belief. Only some atheists hold the belief that there is no god.
Similar to all dogs are mammals, but not all mammals are dogs.
So you're suggesting that someone with no introduction whatsoever to religion, (assuming this were possible), and no personal idea about the possibility of the existence of god(s) would be an atheist?
If that's your point then I tend to differ. And the reason for that is all the claims I hear from Christians here who say, "I used to be an atheist", when all they really mean is that they didn't used to hold any real interest in religion one way or the other, then became interested in Christianity.
I don't see that as atheism. Unless I'm still misunderstanding you, you're claiming theism as a belief, and atheism as either a belief that god(s) don't exist or the lack of belief in gods. To me the lack of belief insinuates a lack of interest or never having been introduced to the concept. I don't think a lack of interest or ignorance of the concept qualifies one as an atheist. To be an atheist one has to be interested enough to explore the topic, and to discover, through that exploration, sufficient cause to hold the belief that no god(s) exist.
Not caring about the potential for the existence of god(s) isn't the same as atheism just like not caring about the evidence for or against evolution doesn't make one a creationist.
Theism and atheism are both beliefs. If you disagree, please explain.
If I'm still just missing your point, count this as one of my really off days.
Well I suppose there are those who believe in UFOs, those who don't and those who really don't care to look at the research/evidence for either side. But at some point perhaps we're getting into the very fine points of the terminology.I guess it depends on whether one includes the reason behind the atheism. An adult like me and a newborn baby are both atheists in that they do not believe in god. I don't believe in a god because of a lack of evidence, basically. A baby does not believe in a god because of ignorance. Those certainly constitute different forms of atheism, but I'd contend that they are still atheistic.
If, as you say, lack of interest or ignorance does not qualify as atheism, how would you label a baby's theistic position? Can something be neither atheist nor theist?
I've never considered that. I guess it could be argued that one who has never been exposed to theism could not be considered either.So you're suggesting that someone with no introduction whatsoever to religion, (assuming this were possible), and no personal idea about the possibility of the existence of god(s) would be an atheist?
If that's your point then I tend to differ. And the reason for that is all the claims I hear from Christians here who say, "I used to be an atheist", when all they really mean is that they didn't used to hold any real interest in religion one way or the other, then became interested in Christianity.
I don't see that as atheism. Unless I'm still misunderstanding you, you're claiming theism as a belief, and atheism as either a belief that god(s) don't exist or the lack of belief in gods. To me the lack of belief insinuates a lack of interest or never having been introduced to the concept.
Theism and atheism are both beliefs. If you disagree, please explain.
If I'm still just missing your point, count this as one of my really off days.
1) I believe that most Atheists believe in evolution, and I certainly do.1) Do most or all atheists believe in evolution?
2) How do atheists believe the universe and all life on earth came into being?
Thanks.
That would be weak atheism.So you're suggesting that someone with no introduction whatsoever to religion, (assuming this were possible), and no personal idea about the possibility of the existence of god(s) would be an atheist?
If that's your point then I tend to differ. And the reason for that is all the claims I hear from Christians here who say, "I used to be an atheist", when all they really mean is that they didn't used to hold any real interest in religion one way or the other, then became interested in Christianity.
So you're suggesting that someone with no introduction whatsoever to religion, (assuming this were possible), and no personal idea about the possibility of the existence of god(s) would be an atheist?
If that's your point then I tend to differ. And the reason for that is all the claims I hear from Christians here who say, "I used to be an atheist", when all they really mean is that they didn't used to hold any real interest in religion one way or the other, then became interested in Christianity.
I don't see that as atheism. Unless I'm still misunderstanding you, you're claiming theism as a belief, and atheism as either a belief that god(s) don't exist or the lack of belief in gods. To me the lack of belief insinuates a lack of interest or never having been introduced to the concept. I don't think a lack of interest or ignorance of the concept qualifies one as an atheist. To be an atheist one has to be interested enough to explore the topic, and to discover, through that exploration, sufficient cause to hold the belief that no god(s) exist.
Not caring about the potential for the existence of god(s) isn't the same as atheism just like not caring about the evidence for or against evolution doesn't make one a creationist.
1) I believe that most Atheists believe in evolution, and I certainly do.
That is a deceiving statement as evolution is observed fact and therefore not something you must "believe" in. Do you believe in germ theory? See my point?
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