question for all religions

[TrueQ]

Well, ya know, I can't speak for the Gods or thier affiliates, but I'd guess its because beetles are great fun to make and are terrific terrific giftsfor immortals. Kind of like our terrestrial hand-made ashtrays.

A peak into TrueQ's thought processess:

Other explanations considered include -

1. One day some greasy, nerdy deity combed his hair and all the dandruff fell to earth and became beetle species.

2. Bug aliens from the twelfth planet visited Earth long ago and interbred with beetle populations.

3. Blank-faced, indiscriminate, Natural Forces have an unexplained tendency to weigh dice in favor of small, shelled things.

4. All beetle varieties are actually tiny camera robots used by the Illuminati to keep tabs on all portions of the globe simultaneously.

 

[ravenscape]

Explanation 4...there's something about explanation 4...Oh YEAH! And I remember a reference to Eris earlier this week...

*backs away slowly*

 

[sanaa]

He never told us, and if one could fully understand why on one's own, there would then be four persons in the Blessed Trinity.

Blessings,

Gerry

i said in my op could u try to explain

 

[sanaa]

Hmm, interesting.

Makes clear one thing - there are more unevolved souls in the world than the evolved ones.


I do not think of beetles as a speciality - every creation of God is.

thanks

As a scientific reason, beetles have high survival abilities, under very harsh climates, and can even survive radiation. That might explain their number.

i am not interested in the scientific reason ( which all of us are anyway aware of ) . i just want a religious point of view , not saying that the 2 cant mix but why would God create so many types according to a theist is what i wanted to know

 

[sanaa]

Well, if you know anything about the TOE, then that should explain my stance pretty much.

u dint specify ur religion

You refer to such creatures as un-evolved souls? Interesting…I would think from their success rate that they are quite well evolved.


I must admit though, in my ponderings of reincarnation, I’ve wondered if the June Bug Beetles that slam themselves into the wall trying to get to the porch light on a summer night, was really the reincarnation of lost souls with one thing on their tiny minds.


“Set me free!” *WHAM* “set me free!” *WHAM* – as they head toward the light.


(I can’t make it sound as funny on the internet, lol and if you don’t have those where you live, then you probably don’t know what the hell I’m talking about, lol)

actually in hinduism , moksha is possible only in the human form . i personally dont believe we get reincarnated into lower life forms , but thats why their souls are called "unevolved"

 

[sanaa]

Because God has an inordinate fondness for beetles.

hey that might turn out be true , u never know

 

[sanaa]

Sanaa wrote:

Well my question is from ur religion's point of view ( christian , jewish,muslim,hindu,pagan,bahai,other religion) can u try to explain why God created so many kinds of beetles ? it looks like He took more time creating beetles than creating man . why did He create so many types ?

My reply:

You know Sanaa, I think this is the first time I've heard of this question! So I want to thank you for your originality and curiosity!

I did a search of the English translations of the Baha'i Writings and came up with the following:

"But, alas! the blind do not see and the deaf do not hear the divine proclamation. The bats do not perceive the light of the sun and the beetles cannot enjoy the fragrances of a rose-garden."

- Abdul-Baha

from p. 409 Tablets of `Abdu'l-Bahá Abbas Volume II

Of course the quote above is more symbolic of beetles as with bats... so I checked the larger more inclusive "insects" which we would agree beetles would be classified as and got some results:

"Nevertheless, it is yet the early dawn and the strength of the heat and the rays of the Sun of Truth have not yet made their torrid and complete impression When it reacheth the zenith, the heat will interpenetrate with such great intensity that it will move and spur to the greatest velocity even the insects below the earth. Although they are not able to behold the light, yet the penetration of the heat will move and agitate all of them."

- Abdul-Baha in "Baha'i World Faith"

And this:

"Nevertheless, it is yet the early dawn and the strength of the heat and the rays of the Sun of Truth have not yet made their torrid and complete impression. When it reacheth the zenith, the heat will interpenetrate with such great intensity that it will move and spur to the greatest velocity even the insects below the earth. Alhtough they are not able to behold the light, yet the penetration of the heat will move and agitate all of them. Consequently, O ye friends of God, be ye thankful that in the Day of the Effulgence ye have turned your faces to the Orb of the regions and beheld the Lights!"

- Abdul-Baha

From p. 503 Tablets of `Abdu'l-Bahá Abbas Volume III

The phrase:

"...heat will interpenetrate with such great intensity that it will move and spur to the greatest velocity even the insects below the earth..."

Would definitely I think refer to beetles and so i would conclude that their multiplicity is related to the rising of the Sun of Truth.

- Art

thanks arthra , but what do u mean by rising of the Sun of Truth

 

[sanaa]

Quran 24:45

And God has created every animal from water: of them there are some that creep on their bellies; some that walk on two legs; and some that walk on four. God creates what He wills for verily God has power over all things.

you mean its Gods will and reason remains unknown?

 

[sanaa]

1 - beetles are a cure for drepression. no matter how hard thigs are for you, you can look to a beetle and say "yep, my life could be worse...;
2 - to serve as inbspiration to really smart cars and nice music;
3 - birds and frogs demanded a menu full of options;
4 - actually, there was another species of beetles planned... but God Thought it was too much, and Decided to make it cocroaches instead. that caused the first cocroach to swear revenge and since then, it became the greatest enemy of women, God's Most perfect Creation.
5 - God Created a produtivity prize between angels, to see with one could give more ideas about new Animals. The angel who come with the idea of the thousands of beetles won. Oddly enough, that was the angel who was also responsible for Heaven's Xerox machine.

rep points for u

 

[sanaa]

Look at their purpose. One purpose is a scavenger(sp?). Helping dead things decomposw. Cleanliness is next to Godliness after all.

wow not a bad one . u combined religion and science in ur reply . thanks for the answer !!!!

 

[sanaa]

I think that the Gods love life, all life, be it human or insect or plant. Beetles give them as much joy as a parakeet.

ok

 

[sanaa]

Well as stated in the Holy Quran, "When He has decreed something, He says to it only: `Be!'and it is" [Aal `Imraan 3:47] " there is no limit of time to Allah (swt). This is only an earthly limitation. By that I mean that when Allah wills for something to happen, there is no "process" for its happening. It just happens, not only quickly, but without time at all. Therefore it doesn't take Allah more "work" to make 1 million spieces of beetles than it does to make 1.


Secondly, just a minor correction. The number of species of beetles has been inflated. The actual number of species of beetles is approximated at above 40,000. However, the amount is irrelevant. There could be 40 species or 40 million species and the reason for their existence would be the same.

Before we get into that, let's ponder a small question: Is the earth a simple entity or a complex macrocosm? It's obviously very complex. There are many processes occuring on earth at the same time: precipitation, condensation, evaporation, perspiration, respiration, erosion, combustion and on and on and on. The point is that the earth is very complex and the One who designed it keeps everything in order. If we can agree on that, then we would also agree that the One who is capable of designing such a complete and perfect system would also have to be complete and perfect, correct?

Knowing that the Creator is complete and perfect, we can deduce that there must be a reason for each of the billions of creations. Although some species of beetles are destructive in that they eat plants, there are also many species of beetles that are beneficial and useful to farmers.

For example, ladybird beetles feed upon aphids and other small sucking insects that injure food crops, and ground beetles feed on crop-damaging potato beetles and caterpillars that destroy trees and shrubs.

From an egocentric perspective, I can see how a person might feel jealous that there is only one species of humans but over 40,000 species of beetles. However, every creature serves a purpose, whether good or bad. Something need not be beneficial in order to serve a purpose.

& Allah swt knows best...

great reply , just to clarify am not jealous of beetles or anything , it was just a lighthearted question

 

[sanaa]

thank u all evolutionists for ur replies

 

[sanaa]

Well, ya know, I can't speak for the Gods or thier affiliates, but I'd guess its because beetles are great fun to make and are terrific terrific giftsfor immortals. Kind of like our terrestrial hand-made ashtrays.

A peak into TrueQ's thought processess:

Other explanations considered include -

1. One day some greasy, nerdy deity combed his hair and all the dandruff fell to earth and became beetle species.

2. Bug aliens from the twelfth planet visited Earth long ago and interbred with beetle populations.

3. Blank-faced, indiscriminate, Natural Forces have an unexplained tendency to weigh dice in favor of small, shelled things.

4. All beetle varieties are actually tiny camera robots used by the Illuminati to keep tabs on all portions of the globe simultaneously.

rep points for u too . btw you didnt specify ur religion

 

[Gerry Hunter]

i said in my op could u try to explain

Well, so you did, and I guess what I'm getting at is that what normally constitutes an "explanation" is not likely to be had, for the reason noted.

However, you may find it interesting to consider the concept of the "plentitude of creation", which St. Thomas Aquinas set out in his Summa Theologica (and which I will not dare try to encapsulate in a brief email post). But the plentitude means no gaps in creation, and so one could conclude that the beetles are there so that there won't be gaps. Now if I could say why a lack of beetles would cause a gap, I might be in a position to give you an explanation .

Blessings,

Gerry

 

[Hydra009]

Kind of OT, but does anyone know the name of this beetle-like insect that lives on the beach? They can burrow in the sand and live in the ocean, and they are harmless to people. They're whitish or pinkish in color. They can be found in the very shallow part of the ocean - where the waves break. I've seen a group of them, with one the size of a quarter or so in a herd of others that were about minnow-sized. Their dead sometimes wash ashore and you can see their cool-looking exoskeleton, the part that last awhile after the rest of the bug has decayed. I've seen them at N.C. beaches, but I can't for the life I me remember what they're called.

 

[sanaa]

keep ur answers coming in people !!

 

[sanaa]

Well, so you did, and I guess what I'm getting at is that what normally constitutes an "explanation" is not likely to be had, for the reason noted.

However, you may find it interesting to consider the concept of the "plentitude of creation", which St. Thomas Aquinas set out in his Summa Theologica (and which I will not dare try to encapsulate in a brief email post). But the plentitude means no gaps in creation, and so one could conclude that the beetles are there so that there won't be gaps. Now if I could say why a lack of beetles would cause a gap, I might be in a position to give you an explanation .

Blessings,

Gerry

ok . thanks !!!!!

 

[Blackmarch]

There are more kinds of beetles than kinds of anything else on earth ! there are estimates that beetles may acount for as much as 1 million of the earth's 6 million animal species . only four thousand species of mammals have been identified . this means there are atleast 1,500 type of beetles for every type of mammal .
this prompted the British scientist J.B.S. Haldane to remark that if God exists he has a special liking for beetles.
well my question is from ur religion's point of view ( christian , jewish,muslim,hindu,pagan,bahai,other religion) can u try to explain why God created so many kinds of beetles ? it looks like He took more time creating beetles than creating man . why did He create so many types ?

Who knows, maybe he has a Hobby ...
That would be fun hobby.

 

[vajradhara]

Namaste Sanaa,


umm.... he didn't?