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oworm said:If you really have free will to choose then you should be able to choose to commit no sin in this period and fulfil the command.
Your time starts from when you see this post. Good luck!
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PentecostalEvangelist said:He instructed me NOT to speak to those who will NOT heed.
I have seen MANY cases where in this same discussion, VALID Biblical evidence to prove your theory wrong has been presented, and in EVERY instance, the same thing always happened.
Those individuals in the Calvinsitic camp ALWAYS denied that any Biblical evidence of any kind was ever presented, when that evidence was right there in the thread for all to clearly see!
And in may cases (NOT ALL) some (CALVINISTS) resorted to posting extremely vile replies to their counterparts, posting very insulting remarks.
The bottom line is, One who truly has a teachable Spirit WILL be willing to acknowledge ANY Biblical evidence that in anyway refutes their doctrine.
I have never once seen even ONE Calvinist who was ever willing to do this.
I have read your evidence, and in SOME areas I do agree with you, BUT there are MANY valid Biblical evidences which altogether prove many parts of your doctrine to be false, especially the doctrine of exclusive select election.
The old truth that Calvin preached, that Augustine preached, that Paul preached, is the truth that I must preach to-day, or else be false to my conscience and my God. I cannot shape the truth; I know of no such thing as paring off the rough edges of a doctrine. John Knox's gospel is my gospel. That which thundered through Scotland must thunder through England again."C. H. Spurgeon
And what is the heresy of Arminianism but the addition of something to the work of the Redeemer? Every heresy, if brought to the touchstone, will discover itself here. I have my own private opinion that there is no such thing as preaching Christ and Him crucified, unless we preach what nowadays is called Calvinism. It is a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else. I do not believe we can preach the gospel, if we do not preach justification by faith, without works; nor unless we preach the sovereignty of God in His dispensation of grace; nor unless we exalt the electing, unchangeable, eternal, immutable, conquering love of Jehovah; nor do I think we can preach the gospel, unless we base it upon the special and particular redemption of His elect and chosen people which Christ wrought out upon the cross; nor can I comprehend a gospel which lets saints fall away after they are called, and suffers the children of God to be burned in the fires of damnation after having once believed in Jesus. Such a gospel I abhor.
IT is positively ANNOYING when you randomly CAPTIALIZE words in the MIDDLE of your sentences.PentecostalEvangelist said:He instructed me NOT to speak to those who will NOT heed.
I have seen MANY cases where in this same discussion, VALID Biblical evidence to prove your theory wrong has been presented, and in EVERY instance, the same thing always happened.
Those individuals in the Calvinsitic camp ALWAYS denied that any Biblical evidence of any kind was ever presented, when that evidence was right there in the thread for all to clearly see!
And in may cases (NOT ALL) some (CALVINISTS) resorted to posting extremely vile replies to their counterparts, posting very insulting remarks.
The bottom line is, One who truly has a teachable Spirit WILL be willing to acknowledge ANY Biblical evidence that in anyway refutes their doctrine.
I have never once seen even ONE Calvinist who was ever willing to do this.
I have read your evidence, and in SOME areas I do agree with you, BUT there are MANY valid Biblical evidences which altogether prove many parts of your doctrine to be false, especially the doctrine of exclusive select election.
How did He do this?PentecostalEvangelist said:He instructed me NOT to speak to those who will NOT heed.
I have seen MANY cases where in this same discussion, VALID Biblical evidence to prove your theory wrong has been presented, and in EVERY instance, the same thing always happened.
Those individuals in the Calvinsitic camp ALWAYS denied that any Biblical evidence of any kind was ever presented, when that evidence was right there in the thread for all to clearly see!
Ok,but this is a double edged sword that cuts both ways.The bottom line is, One who truly has a teachable Spirit WILL be willing to acknowledge ANY Biblical evidence that in anyway refutes their doctrine.
the one composing this post is willingI have never once seen even ONE Calvinist who was ever willing to do this.
what exactly do you agree with?I have read your evidence, and in SOME areas I do agree with you,
again i ask that you be pleased to show me?BUT there are MANY valid Biblical evidences which altogether prove many parts of your doctrine to be false,
How then do you read the following scripture texts?especially the doctrine of exclusive select election.
PentecostalEvangelist said:You First!
Thus far all you, or any other calvinist have ever presented are nothing more than the lying interpretations of very inadequate small portions of some very small parts of Gods word.
GOD said, the ONLY sound doctrine is that doctrine which is based on ALL of Gods word
(2nd Timothy 3:16)
Calvins lies are NOT based on an adequate use of ALL of the word of God, never has been!
Have you not ever read 2nd Timothy 3:16?
OR do you as all other calvinists deny it's very existense?
NO wait, of course, to you this scripture does not apply, as does 99% of the word of God!
Now then IF you want me to consider accepting your doctrine as a sound Biblical doctrine then USE all of Gods word to support it, you and every other calvinist, here, and in every other Christian message board I have ever been a member of, have NEVER ONCE done that!
I, and many others like myself, have MANY times, and each and every tiome we have people like you have denied the presentation of any Biblical evidence we gave, so YOU put up or shut up.....
BTW I forgive you.....
PentecostalEvangelist said:I choose to believe all of Gods word, not some of it.......
Gen 1:1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.PentacostalEvangelist said:Now then IF you want me to consider accepting your doctrine as a sound Biblical doctrine then USE all of Gods word to support it, you and every other calvinist, here, and in every other Christian message board I have ever been a member of, have NEVER ONCE done that!
littleapologist said:Gen 1:1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
Gen 1:2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.
Gen 1:6 And God said, "Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters."
Gen 1:7 And God made the expanse and separated the waters that were under the expanse from the waters that were above the expanse. And it was so.
Gen 1:8 And God called the expanse Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day.
Gen 1:9 And God said, "Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear." And it was so.
Gen 1:10 God called the dry land Earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas. And God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:11 And God said, "Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind, on the earth." And it was so.
Gen 1:12 The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed according to their own kinds, and trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:13 And there was evening and there was morning, the third day.
Gen 1:14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years,
Gen 1:15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth." And it was so.
Gen 1:16 And God made the two great lights--the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night--and the stars.
Gen 1:17 And God set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth,
Gen 1:18 to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:19 And there was evening and there was morning, the fourth day.
Gen 1:20 And God said, "Let the waters swarm with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the heavens."
Gen 1:21 So God created the great sea creatures and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarm, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth."
Gen 1:23 And there was evening and there was morning, the fifth day.
Gen 1:24 And God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds--livestock and creeping things and beasts of the earth according to their kinds." And it was so.
Gen 1:25 And God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds and the livestock according to their kinds, and everything that creeps on the ground according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them. And God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth."
Gen 1:29 And God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food.
Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food." And it was so.
Gen 1:31 And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.
Am I on the right track because I have all afternoon, I could continue?
PentecostalEvangelist said:IF you would sincerely apply ALL of Gods word to your life, you would repent, and reject calvins lies, BUT you know, I know and most especially God knows, that will never happen......
PentecostalEvangelist said:IF you would sincerely apply ALL of Gods word to your life, you would repent, and reject calvins lies, BUT you know, I know and most especially God knows, that will never happen......
Goodbye and God bless youPentecostalEvangelist said:Goodbye folks, I'll definitely be praying for all of you to be delivered from the bondage of deception you are all so deeply bound up in, BUT then YOU have to want to be free yourself, you have to determined, according to your own free will, that you will be free, and then YOU have to reject the lie you have been deceived by, repent, and be free!
PentecostalEvangelist said:Goodbye folks, I'll definitely be praying for all of you to be delivered from the bondage of deception you are all so deeply bound up in, BUT then YOU have to want to be free yourself, you have to determined, according to your own free will, that you will be free, and then YOU have to reject the lie you have been deceived by, repent, and be free!
PentecostalEvangelist said:Goodbye folks, I'll definitely be praying for all of you to be delivered from the bondage of deception you are all so deeply bound up in, BUT then YOU have to want to be free yourself, you have to determined, according to your own free will, that you will be free, and then YOU have to reject the lie you have been deceived by, repent, and be free!
PentecostalEvangelist said:Folks, no matter what I say, I will always be a violation of forum rules......
Imblessed said:You know, it MIGHT help if you would stop putting words in our mouths, telling us what we are going to do(and not do) and start actually putting forth this "evidence" you have that proves us wrong.
You've been going on and on(and on...) about how you have shown all this scriptural evidence proving "us" utterly wrong and how "we" have disregarded it and how "we" are saying you are not christian, and "we" are being mean and hateful, and how "we" all hate you.........
yet I haven't seen even ONE bit of scripture and the only one being mean and hateful in here is you.
What do you want from us? Do you want to show us why you think we are wrong? Would you like to have a civil conversation about our differences? Do you even want to know why we believe as we do?
Or are you just interested in punishing this group because you've run into some rude Calvinists before? Honey, there are rude people everywhere. I sincerely apologize that you've run into some closeminded calvinists somewhere--but please do no take your anger out on us. We have done nothing but try and be civil, and believe me, you are NOT making that easy!
(Jon, sorry about the random all capped words.......)
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