Question about the rapture

[Lik3]

Does the rapture come before the Tribulation?

 

[miamited]

hi lik,

Not as I understand the prophecies.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[MrJim]

There are a lot of different understandings about this; most contemporary "rapture" teachings are less than 200 years old.

 

[Nova Scotian Boy]

The rapture will occur at the end of history, the idea of a the "tribulation" as it is popularly taught in the modern church is not found in scripture.

 

[Ave Maria]

There will be no "rapture". There will only be the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. If there were such a thing as "rapture" it would mean that Jesus would have to return twice and He never said anything about coming to earth three times. He only said He would come again a second time.

That said, I highly recommend reading this article on the "rapture":

The Rapture | Catholic Answers

 

[tturt]

Don't most responses fall into pre-trib, mid-trib, and at the end of the trib categories?

 

[nChrist]

There is a Rapture and that's Bible FACT.

1 Corinthians 15:50-58 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. 58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Don't confuse the Rapture with the Second Coming of Christ. They are two separate events. Jesus Christ does NOT come all the way down to the earth for the Rapture, and the Rapture is one of the most joyous events in human history. As a contrast, Jesus Christ comes all the way down to the earth at His Second Coming, and it's in great and holy WRATH.

There is a Rapture - just like there is a Seven Year Tribulation Period. I personally believe that the Rapture is before the Tribulation Period. Presenting only a brief of the reasons why would be very lengthy, and there would still be differing opinions.

 

[Malachi88]

There is a Rapture and that's Bible FACT.

1 Corinthians 15:50-58 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. 58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Don't confuse the Rapture with the Second Coming of Christ. They are two separate events. Jesus Christ does NOT come all the way down to the earth for the Rapture, and the Rapture is one of the most joyous events in human history. As a contrast, Jesus Christ comes all the way down to the earth at His Second Coming, and it's in great and holy WRATH.

There is a Rapture - just like there is a Seven Year Tribulation Period. I personally believe that the Rapture is before the Tribulation Period. Presenting only a brief of the reasons why would be very lengthy, and there would still be differing opinions.

This is sort of off subject. But what is your take on the 2012 dilemma?

 

[Aibrean]

The correct answer to your question is: it depends on the denomination.

Lutherans believe the Second Coming and Last Judgment occur at the same time.

 

[cajunhillbilly]

The historic faith of the Church- whether Catholic, Lutheran, Anglican, EO, OO, or Reformed- has always been that there is one Second Advent and the pretrib rapture was never taught until 1840 or there abouts. It is a misunderstanding of Scripture and I find it difficult to understand how anyone can believe it. But it is popular, especially in fundamentalist churches.

 

[7angels]

i don't have time to describe it all to you but for that that are interested here is a website that explains the rapture in detail.

Rapture Forums - The Rapture Resource

 

[Gentlemantech48]

Hank Hanegrraaf gets a lot of guff about his teachings on the end times but you really should read his book "The Apocalypse Code" with an open mind. As someone else said in an earlier post, the "rapture" is a relatively modern day teaching and was not found before about 1850.

 

[cajunhillbilly]

i don't have time to describe it all to you but for that that are interested here is a website that explains the rapture in detail.

Rapture Forums - The Rapture Resource

Believe me, I know the arguments used to teach the pretrib rapture. I used to believe in it myself. But further study of Scripture and church history convinced me it was wrong and I rejected it. Thanks anyway.

 

[Nova Scotian Boy]

In my opinion which i have based off of scripture the rapture is synonymous with final resurrection.

 

[1watchman]

This subject of the Translation (so-called rapture) of the Church is very scriptural. The misapplications of verses by many Bible searchers will lead professors of Christ astray. Since this matter always ends of being a lot of arguments, I will not speak further here; but I have some interesting papers by Bible teachers on this and after 50+ years of Bible study I think I have got it understood and true to the Word of God. I will PM anyone who wants a sincere and godly discussion of the matter. Look up always, for our "...redemption draweth nigh" (rapture).

 

[IisJustMe]

Believe me, I know the arguments used to teach the pretrib rapture. I used to believe in it myself. But further study of Scripture and church history convinced me it was wrong and I rejected it. Thanks anyway.

Please rethink it, as you have chosen to be wrong now.

 

[Sketcher]

I'm a post-tribber myself. That's where I see the Scripture pointing. Not only that, if I'm wrong about this, it will be a pleasant surprise. Straight to Heaven, skip tribulation - sounds great. However, if the pre-tribbers are wrong, well, I honestly wonder how many of them will fall away from the faith when the tribulation does come. God knows his own, and those who are his and stray will come back (i.e. Peter) but there's going to be a lot of unnecessary disillusionment among the pre-tribbers when the tribulation comes and contrary to their interpretation they have to actually bear up under it on Earth.

 

[MrJim]

I'm a post-tribber myself. That's where I see the Scripture pointing. Not only that, if I'm wrong about this, it will be a pleasant surprise. Straight to Heaven, skip tribulation - sounds great. However, if the pre-tribbers are wrong, well, I honestly wonder how many of them will fall away from the faith when the tribulation does come. God knows his own, and those who are his and stray will come back (i.e. Peter) but there's going to be a lot of unnecessary disillusionment among the pre-tribbers when the tribulation comes and contrary to their interpretation they have to actually bear up under it on Earth.

Indeed~I consider myself amillenial but if it turns out something different then I too will be fine with that..I live day by day and worry not about tomorrow (..well, much)

"The most important hour in your life is the one you're living right now. The most important person in your life is the one you're speaking to at this moment" ~monk's proverb

"Therefore do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble." ~Jesus Christ

 

[Gentlemantech48]

I'm not laughing at anyone here as I would have to laugh at myself also but really...how much does it really matter what we believe about the rapture and when it will occur? There are so many other pressing things for us to discuss: The great commission, working on getting closer to Jesus and being ready for His coming, being active in restoring this United States to a Christian nation, praying for a spiritual renewal both here and all over the world, feeding the poor, helping the orphan and the widow, loving our enemies, and making ourself an example of what a Christian should look like. Being separate from the world and different.

If we work on all that we will be too busy to discuss the rapture. Maybe we can just keep one eye open for that and jump with joy when it happens.

Just a thought. God Bless.

 

[Knee V]

It was the 1830's when the doctrine of the pretribulation rapture came to be.

A lot of things happened in the 1830's - pre-trib rapture; Dispensationalism; Mormonism; roots of JW; roots of WoF; Darwin's voyage on the HMS Beagle where he collected his data for his new theory. It was a very interesting decade.