Question about suicide?

How can I commit suicide and come back to explain it?

The statement show lack of understanding You don't have to die to understand it, God is in Heaven does that mean I can not understand Him Here, do i have to go to Heaven to understand Him? Your reasoning does not work.

If so, there won't be any suicides at all!

so you are God and can Judge a persons soul? People who are suicidal have no Faith? How do you know this? Again you don't know what your speaking of.



This is a typical reasoning to come up with an excuse!

Let be clear what was said I said those who have turned away and not come back were never Gods in the first place to which you said above.
So God came up with an excuse because those are His words.

1 John 2:19 NLT

19 These people left our churches, but they never really belonged with us; otherwise they would have stayed with us. When they left, it proved that they did not belong with us.

so now you have judged God, do you see your error?


Neither Bible teaches that people committing suicide will go to heaven!

Does not teach they don't my point is you don't know, your not God.

The point is that it has not culminated in a suicide!

Not sure your point

My compassion and human understanding will not work! It is God who will decide. Suicide is an attempt to avoid facing the world and God!


WHere does God say that? Compassion comes from God, its wrapped up in Mercy and Pity comes from its root Love and with out it no one would be saved.

where is the logic avoid facing God because once you do that you face Him really fast. and tell me Just Who can face God? Is there any one who can stand before The Lord? Can You Face God? So you don't need forgiveness, sounds like your running from God. That statement sounded a bit arrogant from you, do you see your error? I would like to see you face the world, you are inviting challenges you can not win. Writing checks your butt can't cash in other words.

Bluelion said:

so you are God and can Judge a persons soul? People who are suicidal have no Faith? How do you know this? Again you don't know what your speaking of.

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Suicidal people will not have the solid faith in Christ.

19 These people left our churches, but they never really belonged with us; otherwise they would have stayed with us. When they left, it proved that they did not belong with us.

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That is what suicide proves!

The point is that it has not culminated in a suicide!

Not sure your point

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That is, though you had attempted to commit suicide, actually you did not.

where is the logic avoid facing God because once you do that you face Him really fast. and tell me Just Who can face God? Is there any one who can stand before The Lord? Can You Face God? So you don't need forgiveness, sounds like your running from God. That statement sounded a bit arrogant from you, do you see your error? I would like to see you face the world, you are inviting challenges you can not win. Writing checks your butt can't cash in other words.[/B]

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Those who are saved will eventually face God. For that, one has to face the world no matter what. Job did!

Only God can judge a person soul, only God knows truly a persons heart. Fact is you are not him, so all your judgement are your own personal beliefs and not biblical because as you admitted the bible does not teach either way on the issue. So you admit it is your own doctrine.

My mother committed suicide and I know with all of my heart where she is, she's in heaven with the Lord.

All sins are forgiven unto man, but dying unsaved. As long as you know and accept Jesus into your heart you are saved.

Our minds can get sick just like our bodies can, and my moms mind was sick and now she's made whole in heaven.

iluvtheSims said:

My mother committed suicide and I know with all of my heart where she is, she's in heaven with the Lord.

All sins are forgiven unto man, but dying unsaved. As long as you know and accept Jesus into your heart you are saved.

Our minds can get sick just like our bodies can, and my moms mind was sick and now she's made whole in heaven.

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I am sorry for your lost sims. I know there is a darkness which talks a person into suicide and those that do such things are broken souls. It written in the bible all God requires of us is our broken repentant soul.

Blessed are the poor in spirit for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven. I think you might be right about your mom in heaven. I hope Robin Williams is in Heaven because I sure do want to meet him and laugh with him.

Peace and Love
blu

Bluelion said:

I am sorry for your lost sims. I know there is a darkness which talks a person into suicide and those that do such things are broken souls. It written in the bible all God requires of us is our broken repentant soul.

Blessed are the poor in spirit for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven. I think you might be right about your mom in heaven. I hope Robin Williams is in Heaven because I sure do want to meet him and laugh with him.

Peace and Love
blu

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It's all about Jesus, and going boldly to the throne of grace. I got to have faith in that; forgiveness and hope, and one day seeing my precious mother again. Ty for your reply.

"Is Suicide the Way? What Does the Bible Say?"

"For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death." (2 Corinthians 7:10)

prayer . . . first get with God in prayer . . .

And we do not need to be wishful.

Saul was not an honorable person (1 Samuel 13:8-15, 18:6-11, 19, and 28); so I don't think his suicide (1 Samuel 31:1-4) was honorable.

Our Apostle Paul would have loved to die and go to be with Jesus. If he knew he was unconditionally saved, even if he committed suicide, then why didn't he? He says,

"For I am hard-pressed between the two, having a desire to depart and be with Christ, which is far better. Nevertheless to remain in the flesh is more needful for you." (Philippians 1:23-24)

So, even though he would have loved to die and be with Jesus, Paul understood how we needed him here. And Paul suffered so much in order to be here for us. And he says to follow him like he has followed Christ > 1 Corinthians 11:1. Follow his example.

Also, Jesus our High Priest has gone through hard things of this life, in order to help us > "For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin." (Hebrews 4:15) So, Jesus has gone through everything we can go through, in this life . . . in order that now He our Groom can feel for us and minister to us all that got Him through hard things, including how He suffered and died on the cross.

If we stay here, we can use our problems to help us understand other people and help them. We can minister to others the grace that makes us able to do well and to love, in spite of Satan's attacks.

"My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness," Jesus says, in 2 Corinthians 12:9.

So, why do people not obey how God's love can have us living?

We can cut ourselves off from God, by means of our selfish loving > we can have love idols . . . our favorites whom we want to control and use for what we want. Jesus warns us, "if you love those who love you, what reward have you?" (in Matthew 5:46)

Also, Jesus clearly says, "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me," in Luke 9:23. But there are people who do not trust in Jesus by denying themselves and taking up their cross. But, instead, they are into themselves, mostly reacting emotionally only about what is happening to them and to . . . their love idols.

And in loving so selfishly they are in weakness so they break down in different torments of their personalities, as things happen to themselves and their love idols. As their idols change, they go through changes; as things happen to their treasures (Matthew 6:21), they lose their pleasure. But God's love gives us almighty immunity with stability >

"There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love." (1 John 4:18)

"For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind." (2 Timothy 1:7)

So, we trust in You, Jesus, so we are not victims of circumstance, under the power of this world's things to get us down and suffering > Paul says, "I will not be brought under the power of any," in 1 Corinthians 6:12. "Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good." (Romans 12:21) It is wise not to allow the troubles of this world to have power to decide how we become and how we see things.

There are ones who have lived only for themselves and certain people they see fit to care about, while looking down on others. And they may have done this under the disguise of saying a copy-cat "sinner's prayer" and getting baptized and associating with a church and meeting outward standards that a church may look for. But we need to deny ourselves and take up our cross of loving any and all people like Jesus on the cross did > "And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma." (Ephesians 5:2)

In this loving there is strength of grace almighty against how cruel emotions and negative and nasty reacting would torment us, and this grace makes us sweet-smelling even while we go through hard things . . . like how Jesus during those sufferings was sweetly pleasing to our Father.

Therefore, Paul says, "and be renewed in the spirit of your mind," (Ephesians 4:23) So, yes we have our spiritual mind which God's love renews ! ! ! in love and joy and peace, "and you will find rest for your souls," Jesus guarantees in Matthew 11:28-30.

So, there is no need to be wishful about ones who have not obeyed and lived all that God's word has for us, through His love's grace living in us. His grace makes us alive in His love > consider Ephesians 2:1-10. Trust in Jesus for all this which is possible with God

And pray with this hope for any and all people > 1 Timothy 2:1-4 . . . instead of worshiping excuses and trying to wish love idols into heaven. Love people, by having this hope for them, in prayer, instead of only criticizing wrong people and reacting negatively mostly about what is happening to our own selves. That criticizing and negative and nasty reacting is a sort of emotional suicide which can lead to worse and worse reaping of what is awful.

Galatians 5:6-7 > "Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life."

That criticizing and arguing and bitterness and negative reacting is all evil seed being sown to the flesh; so it then can have a person reaping so much more corruption > including with an end in suicide. So, we need to stand against this, not excuse how people's negative seed sowing has brought them more and more into love-dead stuff.

We need to sow what prepares us to spend eternity with our Groom Jesus. Ones do ask, but what will happen to people who don't? Well, you might consider 2 Timothy 3:13, about how wrong people keep getting "worse and worse". But this was not given only so we can judge wrong people. God's word was given in order to make sure we share with Him in all He has for us in His love; so this is what we need to be concerned about > be discovering all that we have because we do ! ! !