Question about miracles.

[LogicX]

For those of you that believe in praying for miracles and similar things (like praying to god to fix things) why only pray for things that could be explained without god?

I guess my point is, no one ever prays for an amputee to regrow their limb but plenty of people pray for their cancer to be cured while on chemotherapy, then attribute surviving to god. Why would god help someone with a certain disease but not other medical issues? I think this is more proof god does not exist.

 

[Calminian]

For those of you that believe in praying for miracles and similar things (like praying to god to fix things) why only pray for things that could be explained without god?

I guess my point is, no one ever prays for an amputee to regrow their limb but plenty of people pray for their cancer to be cured while on chemotherapy, then attribute surviving to god. Why would god help someone with a certain disease but not other medical issues? I think this is more proof god does not exist.

Actually it's only evidence that God doesn't go about things the way you would. The fact that God doesn't generally heal amputated legs or do other particular miracles doesn't speak to His nonexistence at all. It merely speaks to the fact that He is not like you.

Not sure I understand the logic behind this argument. Maybe you could explain it further. Generally arguments against God come down to this basic idea. God does not do things this way. I would have done that if I were God. Therefore God must not exist. This arguments takes many forms, but essentially remains the same.

 

[loudatheist101]

Actually it's only evidence that God doesn't go about things the way you would. The fact that God doesn't generally heal amputated legs or do other particular miracles doesn't speak to His nonexistence at all. It merely speaks to the fact that He is not like you.

Not sure I understand the logic behind this argument. Maybe you could explain it further. Generally arguments against God come down to this basic idea. God does not do things this way. I would have done that if I were God. Therefore God must not exist. This arguments takes many forms, but essentially remains the same.

If we did not have hospitals or docters or medicne to treat certain deadly diseases, you and I both know, that praying to a god would not do anything either. I really do not understand people that get cured by *medicne* and *science*, yet they thank their god for it...even though they very well know, if it wasn't for the *science*, they would be dead...

 

[Blackguard_]

why only pray for things that could be explained without god?

Bah, Science doesn't say anything that can't be explained supernaturally. The Big Bang was just Chaos forming Chronos and eventually all the other gods and their domains. Some are fooled by the stability of the gods' rule over thier domains into thinking there is a law without a lawgiver, so to speak.

I think this is more proof god does not exist.

No, it's just proof Asclepius can't go against the will of the Fates, who have so far decreed amputation is permanent. Hopefully they will change their minds.

I really do not understand people that get cured by *medicne* and *science*, yet they thank their god for it...even though they very well know, if it wasn't for the *science*, they would be dead...

Yep, the gods did not make an orderly universe. Everything is subject the whim of fickle Fate and capricious gods. Since the universe is disorderly, it'd be absurd to investigate it's workings.

 

[Calminian]

If we did not have hospitals or docters or medicne to treat certain deadly diseases, you and I both know, that praying to a god would not do anything either. I really do not understand people that get cured by *medicne* and *science*, yet they thank their god for it...even though they very well know, if it wasn't for the *science*, they would be dead...

More evidence you don't understand anything about christianity nor its God. Christians have always embraced science.

 

[rebelEnigma]

For those of you that believe in praying for miracles and similar things (like praying to god to fix things) why only pray for things that could be explained without god?

I guess my point is, no one ever prays for an amputee to regrow their limb but plenty of people pray for their cancer to be cured while on chemotherapy, then attribute surviving to god. Why would god help someone with a certain disease but not other medical issues? I think this is more proof god does not exist.

Ever hear of a guy called Smith Wigglesworth? Read up on him and you'll hear some really awesome things about him (he was a preacher during the early to mid 1900's) and he did more than regrow people's limbs through the power of God.

 

[loudatheist101]

More evidence you don't understand anything about christianity nor its God. Christians have always embraced science.

Oh please... I used to be a Christain.

 

[Merlin]

Why do you assume only one type of request is made?
Restoring a limb is rather complex and hazardous.
As the limb starts to grow it is small and fragile.
Imagine a newborn infant.
Imagine that arm on your body.
Very fragile and needing about 17-20 years to grow.
You must exercise it, as every growing child does.
But you cannot use the limb as an adult would. It's too small/fragile.
20 years of arm or leg regrowth is awkward.
It's best to seek healing, rather than replacement.

 

[MedicMan]

For those of you that believe in praying for miracles and similar things (like praying to god to fix things) why only pray for things that could be explained without god?

I guess my point is, no one ever prays for an amputee to regrow their limb but plenty of people pray for their cancer to be cured while on chemotherapy, then attribute surviving to god. Why would god help someone with a certain disease but not other medical issues? I think this is more proof god does not exist.

And yet, some people receive healings beyond he explanation of medical science. Christopher Reeves, for example. He was told in all certainty that he would never walk again. Never-the-less, somehow the nerves in his legs regrew and he walked. Now to me that is most definitely a miracle.
Personally, I pray for healing when I am sick, not as a replacement for medicine (which I wholeheartedly believe in, as I want to become a doctor), but as an aid to medicine. I ask for God to increase the efficacy of the drugs, or to help ease my pain, as appropriate, and when I am better I thank God that He chose to help me get better - I do not attribute the entire healing process to God.

~MedicMan~

 

[tcampen]

And yet, some people receive healings beyond he explanation of medical science. Christopher Reeves, for example. He was told in all certainty that he would never walk again. Never-the-less, somehow the nerves in his legs regrew and he walked. Now to me that is most definitely a miracle.
Personally, I pray for healing when I am sick, not as a replacement for medicine (which I wholeheartedly believe in, as I want to become a doctor), but as an aid to medicine. I ask for God to increase the efficacy of the drugs, or to help ease my pain, as appropriate, and when I am better I thank God that He chose to help me get better - I do not attribute the entire healing process to God.

~MedicMan~

Christopher Reeves, for example. He was told in all certainty that he would never walk again. Never-the-less, somehow the nerves in his legs regrew and he walked. Now to me that is most definitely a miracle.

I think you're confusing a commercial using special effects that showed Reeves walking with him really walking. He never walked. Never.

maybe you were joking?

 

[MedicMan]

Okay, apologies for the walking reference. I'd only heard of that from someone else... perhaps I should have checked...
However, there is documented medical evidence to show that he managed to move his little finger, and that he is capable of making steps in a swimming pool, whilt supported from above by two assisstants. This is still miraculous, since he was completely paralysed.

~MedicMan~