question about high priest

[Yitzchak]

I was taught that the high priest entered the holy of holies once a year on the day of atonement..... Also, that they tied a rope around him so that if the Lord struck him dead they could pull him out........

Does anyone know the origin of the rope part of the story?? Is there a scripture verse that goes with this??

 

[Henaynei]

The Kohen HaGadol (High Priest) only entered the Holy of Holies once a year, on Yom Kippur, because only he was ever allowed in and that was the only time he had the proper scripturally mandated sacrifice to bring with him.

As to the story about the rope, I believe that can be found in the Jewish liturature called the Mishna. The reason is this: only the Kohen HaGadol was allowed to enter the Holy of Holies and if he "goofed up" he could be struck dead on the spot. The other priests would listen from outside the curtain for the sound of the bells that were on the hem of his garment. If too long a period of time passed of silence and lack of movement, then they would tug on the rope - if no response they were prepared to drage his body from the sanctuary - otherwise it would have to remain until next Yom Kippur.

 

[Netzari5730]

The reason is this: only the Kohen HaGadol was allowed to enter the Holy of Holies and if he "goofed up" he could be struck dead on the spot. The other priests would listen from outside the curtain for the sound of the bells that were on the hem of his garment.

An interesting thing about those bells, they were made of pure gold, and gold, being a soft metal, doesn't chime... I wonder how they heard them chiming It must have been a miracle

In Yeshua...
Netzari

 

[Henaynei]

An interesting thing about those bells, they were made of pure gold, and gold, being a soft metal, doesn't chime... I wonder how they heard them chiming It must have been a miracle

In Yeshua...
Netzari

Ok, klink then the bang of metal against metal - and while perhaps pure gold can not chime, neither could man make "pure" gold back then, smelting to that degree was an unknown art at that time ....AND the word for pure is "tahor" meaning pure as in clean and with out sin (or added metals??)

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1. pure, clean
   1. clean (ceremonially - of animals)
   2. pure (physically)
   3. pure, clean (morally, ethically)

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As you can see, this word was translated "clean" more often than "pure".......

 

[Netzari5730]

Ok, klink then the bang of metal against metal - and while perhaps pure gold can not chime, neither could man make "pure" gold back then, smelting to that degree was an unknown art at that time ....AND the word for pure is "tahor" meaning pure as in clean and with out sin (or added metals??)
[font=Arial, Helvetica]

1. pure, clean
   1. clean (ceremonially - of animals)
   2. pure (physically)
   3. pure, clean (morally, ethically)

[/font][font=Arial, Helvetica]King James Word Usage - Total: 94[/font]..........[font=Arial, Helvetica]clean 50, pure 40, fair 2, purer 1, variant 1[/font]





As you can see, this word was translated "clean" more often than "pure".......

So were those bells made of other metals other than gold? The thing with those bells is they didn't make much of a sound at all (clank and whatnot), what I was pointing out is the miracle that they did make a chime, when they should have merely clanked

In Yeshua...
Netzari5730

 

[Henaynei]

So were those bells made of other metals other than gold? The thing with those bells is they didn't make much of a sound at all (clank and whatnot), what I was pointing out is the miracle that they did make a chime, when they should have merely clanked

In Yeshua...
Netzari5730

I see what you are saying now - on first read it did not come across to me that way nope - only gold

 

[Netzari5730]

hellllllllllllloooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO lol

I see what you are saying now - on first read it did not come across to me that way nope - only gold

G`d bless ya sis,

in Yeshua...
Netzari5730

 

[goy]

liturature called the Mishna. The reason is this: only the Kohen HaGadol was allowed to enter the Holy of Holies and if he "goofed up" he could be struck dead on the spot. The other priests would listen from outside the curtain for the sound of the bells that were on the hem of his garment. If too long a period of time passed of silence and lack of movement, then they would tug on the rope - if no response they were prepared to drage his body from the sanctuary - otherwise it would have to remain until next Yom Kippur.

I've always understood the reason for the rope to be as what Henaynei describes. In other words, Cohen haGadol could be struck dead by the Sh'kinah if he'd done some wrong.

So I have a question: some minutes before Ichabod the grandson of Eli was born, the Sh'kinah departed from Beit haMikdash. Because of that, it is my personal impression that from then onwards the Holy of holies was devoid of the Sh'kinah, and so no Cohen haGadol would be struck dead no matter what he did. And this "emptiness" went on undisclosed to the populace until Adoni tore the veil , thus doing away with the separation, and by the same token, exposing the emptiness.

I know it might come across as harsh, but might it be that after the Sh'kinah left, Beit haMikdash was no different from those monumental but hollow cathedrals that are scattered all over Europe?

What is your opinion? (Sincere replies only please... primarily from Messianics and Jews.)

 

[Sephania]

Y-shua still called it his fathers house, and was very zealous of the goings on there.

 

[shmuel]

The temple did not exist in the days of Eli. Shlomoh built the first Temple. In II Ch 5:14 Kavod Adonai filled the Temple.

 

[goy]

The temple did not exist in the days of Eli. Shlomoh built the first Temple. In II Ch 5:14 Kavod Adonai filled the Temple.

Sorry, my mistake . I referred to Eli which is the event where the Ark was captured, that is the wrong reference. I was thinking about when one of the prophets (Ezekiel?) saw the Sh'kinah leave Beit haMikdash. I don't have my TN"K with me right now hence my difficulty quoting accurately.

So, you are right, Kavod Adoni did fill the temple but repeating myself, I seem to recall at a much later stage, one of the prophets had a vision of Sh'kinah leaving.

me.

 

[Netzari5730]

Sorry, my mistake . I referred to Eli which is the event where the Ark was captured, that is the wrong reference. I was thinking about when one of the prophets (Ezekiel?) saw the Sh'kinah leave Beit haMikdash. I don't have my TN"K with me right now hence my difficulty quoting accurately.

So, you are right, Kavod Adoni did fill the temple but repeating myself, I seem to recall at a much later stage, one of the prophets had a vision of Sh'kinah leaving.

me.

The Hebrew word Sh'khinah is not in the Tanakh whatsoever. It is a Kabbalistic term referring to the Divine Presence of G`d found only in Rabbinic writings and the teachings of Kabbalah.

In Yeshua...
Netzari5730

 

[goy]

The Hebrew word Sh'khinah is not in the Tanakh whatsoever. It is a Kabbalistic term referring to the Divine Presence of G`d found only in Rabbinic writings and the teachings of Kabbalah.
Netzari5730

Yes, (can you tell I am not Y'hudi?? ), I pick up and I interchangeably use words/terms that my Messianic Jewish brethren throw in conversation. They feel more comfy when I do . Yer gonna have to put up with my linguistic inaccuracies

 

[Netzari5730]

Yes, (can you tell I am not Y'hudi?? ), I pick up and I interchangeably use words/terms that my Messianic Jewish brethren throw in conversation. They feel more comfy when I do . Yer gonna have to put up with my linguistic inaccuracies

I hope you weren't thinking that I was being...er... what's the word??? hmmm... for lack of a better term, "Know-it-all" ? lol that wasn't my intention, and I apologize if it came across that way. I was just trying to be informative.

In Yeshua...
Netzari5730

 

[theseed]

As I understand it, The Ark of The Covenant was not covered in the Tabernacle because God was constantly worshipped?

 

[goy]

I hope you weren't thinking that I was being...er... what's the word??? hmmm... for lack of a better term, "Know-it-all" ? lol that wasn't my intention, and I apologize if it came across that way. I was just trying to be informative.

In Yeshua...
Netzari5730

Oh, nonono, don't worry I understand that being exact and accurate is important when discussing Scripture. In fact, if you read Luke 1:3,4 you will find that to Dr Luke, accuracy is important because it reassures us of the truth.

And I also learned something new from you today (ie the kabalistic origin of the word Sh'kinah), and so, kavod adoni is more appropriate then.