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question about Hebrews
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Good question. This passage in Hebrews talks of a new heaven and earth/Kingdom.pachomi33 said:
Ezekiel 39 talks of a endtime event, a really good "shaking" of the heaven and earth, such as the book of revelation is showing.
If the people are shown cleaning it up for several years, when is the New Jerualem in revelation suppose to come down, after the big "cleanup"?
[check reve chapt 19 on the Supper of the Great God]So many questions and no real answers. God bless.
hebrews 12: 26 whose voice then shook the earth; but now He has promised, saying, "Yet once more I shake not only the earth, but also heaven." 27 Now this, "Yet once more," indicates the removal of those things that are being shaken, as of things that are made, that the things which cannot be shaken may remain. 28 Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us have grace, by which we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear. 29 For our God [is] a consuming fire.
ezekiel 39:8 "Surely it is coming, and it shall be done," says the Lord GOD. "This [is] the day of which I have spoken. 9 " Then those who dwell in the cities of Israel will go out and set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and bucklers, the bows and arrows, the javelins and spears; and they will make fires with them for seven years.14 "They will set apart men regularly employed, with the help of a search party, to pass through the land and bury those bodies remaining on the ground, in order to cleanse it. At the end of seven months they will make a search.
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Paul was writing to the Hebrews when one program (Kingdom) was disapearing and another (Grace) was moving in. The Gospel of Grace did not jump in and overtake the Kingdom Gospel in a day, thus why we have Paul writing what he does.
Time for Turkey Day!
Blessings,
Will
Time for Turkey Day!
Blessings,
Will
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johnd
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One must remember that Paul also wrote Roman 11:16-26. An individual's salvation has always been a matter of faith (i.e. Hebrews chapter 11) and the determinative factor as to whether a branch is cut off from the Olive tree or grafted in (see also John 3:16-18).
Contrary to the Replacement Theology of Preterism and Roman Catholicism, God has not simply abandoned the Jews (as a people) for their lack of faith.
Romans 9:1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, 2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. 3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: 4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; 5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Romans 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? 2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. 3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? 4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
I think of Christianity as the Prodigal Son who came home and Judaism as the Son who refuses to come into the celebration for the time being.
Contrary to the Replacement Theology of Preterism and Roman Catholicism, God has not simply abandoned the Jews (as a people) for their lack of faith.
Romans 9:1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, 2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. 3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: 4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; 5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Romans 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? 2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. 3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? 4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
I think of Christianity as the Prodigal Son who came home and Judaism as the Son who refuses to come into the celebration for the time being.
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They may be waiting a loooong time then. According to this passge, the sin of Judah will burn in God's anger forever. Isn't Judah where judaism comes from
The may be a future prophecy on the jews crucifying our dear Lord Jesus, King and savior of the world. Otherwise, why would it be "forever"
. God bless.Jeremiah 17:1 "The sin of Judah [is] written with a pen of iron; With the point of a diamond [it is] engraved On the tablet of their heart, And on the horns of your altars, 2 While their children remember Their altars and their wooden images By the green trees on the high hills. 3O My mountain in the field, I will give as plunder your wealth, all your treasures, [And] your high places of sin within all your borders.4 And you, even yourself, Shall let go of your heritage which I gave you; And I will cause you to serve your enemies In the land which you do not know; For you have kindled a fire in My anger [which] shall burn forever."
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johnd
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You must take into account the entire context of the whole Bible:
Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Jeremiah 50:20 In those days, and in that time, saith the LORD, the iniquity of Israel shall be sought for, and there shall be none; and the sins of Judah, and they shall not be found: for I will pardon them whom I reserve.
Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Jeremiah 50:20 In those days, and in that time, saith the LORD, the iniquity of Israel shall be sought for, and there shall be none; and the sins of Judah, and they shall not be found: for I will pardon them whom I reserve.
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Pachomi33:
The Pauline Epistles were written to the members of the body of Christ (Eph. 4:12) in the world to today. Pauls words represent the Lords Commandment for the members of His body on the earth in our day. 1Cor. 14:37+38. The Hebrew Epistles represent Gods personal mail to the kingdom disciples living in the coming restored kingdom of God on earth. The Book of Hebrews is definitely not Pauline, but could be Sauline in that it is addressed to the Levitical Priests as Israel becomes the kingdom of priests. Exodus 19:6. Peter addressed them as the chosen race (1Pet. 2:9) and holy nation (Ex. 19:6 and 1Pet. 2:9) of the coming kingdom dispensation here on earth. James addresses them as the "twelve tribes" scattered abroad. James 1:1. We are now living during the begotten mystery time of restoration that none of the prophets were given to see. Everything from Hebrews Revelation will be fulfilled during the time of the restored kingdom under Elijah who will come to restore all things. Matt. 17:10+11.
In Christ,
Terral
The Pauline Epistles were written to the members of the body of Christ (Eph. 4:12) in the world to today. Pauls words represent the Lords Commandment for the members of His body on the earth in our day. 1Cor. 14:37+38. The Hebrew Epistles represent Gods personal mail to the kingdom disciples living in the coming restored kingdom of God on earth. The Book of Hebrews is definitely not Pauline, but could be Sauline in that it is addressed to the Levitical Priests as Israel becomes the kingdom of priests. Exodus 19:6. Peter addressed them as the chosen race (1Pet. 2:9) and holy nation (Ex. 19:6 and 1Pet. 2:9) of the coming kingdom dispensation here on earth. James addresses them as the "twelve tribes" scattered abroad. James 1:1. We are now living during the begotten mystery time of restoration that none of the prophets were given to see. Everything from Hebrews Revelation will be fulfilled during the time of the restored kingdom under Elijah who will come to restore all things. Matt. 17:10+11.
In Christ,
Terral
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