Question about Hanegraf?

[rhemarob]

Is it true that Hanegraf is against all Pentecostals? Even AOG ?
I thought he was only against WOF people?
I've never read anything by him and never will if I can help it but I've read what other people have posted regarding what he supposedly has said.

 

[BillynJennifer]

Mr. Hanegraf is against all Pentecostals, including AoG. He somehow feels it's his "ministry" to root out and tear down what he feels is wrong in denominations, but leaves the soul-winning to someone else. I wonder if he would judge his own child as harshly, if God ever lead that child into Pentecostalism?

 

[Questioning Christian]

Yes, Hank Hanegraaff, who spends all his time debunking prosperity, and who makes $280,000.00 annually doing it.

Hank Hanegraaff
PresidentCompensation: $280,331

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm/bay/search.summary/orgid/5077.htm

It's on the right side of the page as you scroll toward the bottom.

 

[SUNSTONE]

I never bought into this guys program, even as a new believer 10 years ago.
He was one of the first christian radio personalitys for me.

To me no church is 100% right.
And I feel that 99% of all the churchs are not 100% wrong.
I feel that going to any church, is better than going to no church.
But I'm sure there are a few extreme examples.

 

[Questioning Christian]

To me no church is 100% right.
And I feel that 99% of all the churchs are not 100% wrong.

That is an excellent point. Too bad more people don't feel that way. They look so hard for so much perfection, when they themselves have much imperfection.

 

[SUNSTONE]

That is an excellent point. Too bad more people don't feel that way. They look so hard for so much perfection, when they themselves have much imperfection.

Exactly.
I can go to a boring church that has many opinions that differ from mine, and I may fall asleep, or complain under my breath.
But in the end, I still consider them brothers and sisters.

 

[SUNSTONE]

Even the Apostles argued and fought.

 

[Questioning Christian]

Even the Apostles argued and fought.

NO, they DIDN'T !!!!

 

[SUNSTONE]

NO, they DIDN'T !!!!

They argued over who was best, when Jesus set them straight.
Paul got into an arguement with Mark I believe, and they went their seperate ways over it.
And I think Paul rebuked Peter over something, I forgot where that was.

The point is, if they can disagree or get it wrong, then how much more so can we get it wrong?

 

[Questioning Christian]

NO, they DIDN'T !!!!

The above post was a joke, sarcasm, a literary device, to prove your point that the disciples argued. I was arguing with you.

 

[Celticflame]

I'am not bothered by the people who argue against certian churches. As Randy Clark said Recently, the Critics of Benny Hinn are probably more evil than him. He was not stating that Benny Hinn is evil but making a point that some of the critics, are worse than the actual leaders.

The major downfall I have with Hank is that he actually argues and debates with Sceintific knowledge. The Bible Answer Man, has helped discredit parts of the bible with Mans Understanding.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Huh...
When was the last time a heresy hunter admitted they were wrong about anything? In order for them to do their "job" they cannot be wrong in any point. Therefore they will never admit to error... even tho we all know they have tons.
What does that tell you about the arrogance and pride of heresy hunters? As one person said.. heresy hunters are worse than the people they imagine they are "exposing". They are hypocrites of the worse kind. No wonder Jesus went on and on about their evils. There are few things worse in the body of Christ than those who are burning it down with their constant evil reports, their dividing up of the body of Christ with their false accusations and twisting of words. It would be better to let the (relatively minor) errors exist within the body than to let these self proclaimed "masters of theology" constantly condemn and destroy our unity.
I can live with almost any of the superficial errors I see on these boards... AND SO CAN YOU! What we cannot live with is the constant bickering and havoc being wrot in our midst by these carnally minded wrecking balls. They turn us against each other and sow constant discord between brothers who would otherwise have the joy of fellowship.
How many here have not been grieved even to the point of leaving CF altogether because of this constant drone of suspicion, paranoia, and questionings?
When will we decide that we have had enough???

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Let me correct the last post...
Heresy hunters do admit to being wrong.
They were wrong during the years they spent in some Christian cult.... but they have been perfect ever since!

Of course we have to question the judgement of someone who spent years in a cult, finally came out, and now wants to set the rest of us straight!

 

[swifteagle]

Huh...
When was the last time a heresy hunter admitted they were wrong about anything? In order for them to do their "job" they cannot be wrong in any point. Therefore they will never admit to error... even tho we all know they have tons.
What does that tell you about the arrogance and pride of heresy hunters? As one person said.. heresy hunters are worse than the people they imagine they are "exposing". They are hypocrites of the worse kind. No wonder Jesus went on and on about their evils. There are few things worse in the body of Christ than those who are burning it down with their constant evil reports, their dividing up of the body of Christ with their false accusations and twisting of words. It would be better to let the (relatively minor) errors exist within the body than to let these self proclaimed "masters of theology" constantly condemn and destroy our unity.
I can live with almost any of the superficial errors I see on these boards... AND SO CAN YOU! What we cannot live with is the constant bickering and havoc being wrot in our midst by these carnally minded wrecking balls. They turn us against each other and sow constant discord between brothers who would otherwise have the joy of fellowship.
How many here have not been grieved even to the point of leaving CF altogether because of this constant drone of suspicion, paranoia, and questionings?
When will we decide that we have had enough???

Selah!

swifteagle ><>

 

[TreeOfLife]

If Hank does not get the exact same deference his opponents get, you are weak and very sad in your Christianity and your understanding of the Good News.

That is very sad.

 

[12volt_man]

Is it true that Hanegraf is against all Pentecostals? Even AOG ?
I thought he was only against WOF people?
I've never read anything by him and never will if I can help it but I've read what other people have posted regarding what he supposedly has said.

Well, he is a member of Calvary Chapel, which is a charismatic denomination and is on the board of trustees for Greg Laurie's ministry and Greg Laurie is a charismatic preacher. So you can go from there.

He's not against pentecostals, he's simply against some of the extreme and often abberant movements within Pentecostals and charismatic circles.

Now, I'm no fan of the man. I believe that, at one time, he had a lot of good things to say that the church needs to hear, but squandered his credibility by his financial misdeeds, the rather rude way he speaks to callers to his show, and his constant hucksterism.

But, if we're going to judge the man, then let's at least judge him fairly.

 

[Questioning Christian]

If Hank does not get the exact same deference his opponents get, you are weak and very sad in your Christianity and your understanding of the Good News.

That is very sad.

Yes, there are holes and inconsistencies to Double H's [not to be confused with TRIPLE H] opponents. I am one who would readily point out error in ANY teacher or preacher.

But I have a problem with a person who uses an anti-prosperity message as a capstone of his foundation of teaching, but who receives an annual salary in excess of $280,000.00

$280,000.00 per year breaks down to:

• $5600.00 per week
• $1120.00 per day
• $140.00 per hour

I have a major problem with someone who is supposed to be the head of a "ministry" that specializes in critiquing exorbitant salaries, who himself is in receipt of in excess of a quarter of a million dollars per annum.

What a hypocrite!

That salary does not even include per diem pay, travel expenses, living expenses, speaking engagements, entertainment expense accounts, book deals, or anything else which may come as an accoutrement to this ministry.

Hank, please, don't make me throw up.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I make absolutely no apology for my remarks about Hanegraf, on this thread and the other one where I made a longer post.

We have to make a decision at some point as to whose side we are on. If we truly believe that the Pentecostal/Charismatic experience is what God is doing in the church today, then we need to stand up for it and defend it, instead of going around deferring and simpering to its critics and enemies.

I don't care how 'Christian' this guy is. If he is saying derogatory things against any part of the Pentecostal movement, he is speaking against the Holy Spirit who brought it about. Sure, some Pentecostals are making mistakes, but that gives Hanegraf no right to say the things he says about it.

Whose side are we on? Are we on the Lord's side or not?

Let's stop pandering to the dead, powerless, disobedient people who are going around pretending to be Christians - who have a form of godliness but are denying its power. The Apostle Paul told the Corinthians that when he went to visit their church he was not interested in those who had empty words - he wanted to see those who operated in the power of God. Today, the power of God is working within the Pentecostal and Charismatic churches (like it or not), and anyone who criticises it is being disobedient to God. And anyone who is being habitually disobedient cannot have any share in the power of God.

So I will say quite definitely, and I don't care what others think, that Hanegraf is totally devoid of the power of God, and his ministry and writing are just empty words that will just fall to the ground, and will keep doing so until he repents of his criticism of Pentecostals and issues a strong statement to that effect.

I think it is about time we stopped simpering and pandering to powerless pretenders who play church but are not prepared to enter into the power of what God is doing today.

 

[AudioArtist]

I agree Oscarr. I can be quite a sceptical, faithless and mind-centered Christian at the worst of times-but even I of all people cannot speak away the charismatic experience of God in the way I've read this man do in his books. And to say the manifestations and gifts of the Spirit today are all either trickery or demonic is asburd and dare I say, evil.

My experiences of God were not demonic or based in trickery, and I will defend God's moves peacefully yet boldly whenever I can.

 

[edin]

i know that there can be differences in the body of Christ, and that is understandable, etc. and we can vehemently disagree with teachings. but for me, i was very saddened when i read the majority of one of hank's books. he doesn't just challenge a particular teaching, but also assaults the "person", attacking the pitch/sound of their voice, calling them names, such as "so and so" wanna-be, etc. i find that to be offensive, and dont believe it serves any purpose, nor does it defend the gospel.

and sadly many who challenge the concept of God wanting His kids blessed and prospered never seem to apply the "rule of poverty" to themselves but rather "just to the body" and to the person whom they are criticizing.

i find hank's writings have a very mean slant, unrelated to the issues which he challenges.